Obama’s Halloween Scare Could Be The Trick

[babylonsister]

http://www.cqpolitics.com/2007/10/craig_crawfords_trail_mix_obam_7.html

Craig Crawford’s Trail Mix: Obama’s Halloween Scare Could Be The Trick
By Craig Crawford | 6:48 AM; Oct. 30, 2007


Barack Obama's much heralded "get-tough-on-Hillary" campaign might have stumbled onto something that could make a difference -- and it’s about politics, not policy.

Despite finally going on the attack, the Democratic presidential challenger's policy-oriented charges focusing on Iraq, Iran and Social Security show few signs of even making a dent in Hillary Rodham Clinton’s national lead. But the Illinois senator now seems ready to make a political case against her that could strike a nerve, basically arguing to worried Democrats that Clinton is not electable. Oddly, Clinton’s rivals have shied away from the electability argument -- a reluctance that has surprised and pleased many in her camp.

Obama is now telling Democrats that if they nominate Clinton “then we have a repeat of 2000 and 2004.” Such talk of reliving the party’s painful losses in those presidential campaigns is exactly what most scares Democrats about Clinton's candidacy -- and Halloween week is not bad timing for Obama to raise such a ghostly specter.

[aquart]

1. What part of "We won. They stole." does he not understand?

So. Don't vote for him because he has anything to offer. Vote for him because, although his numbers are so much worse than hers, people will vote for him because they won't vote for her?

He doesn't hold up well under pressure, does he?

[Ethelk2044]

2. Question do we have a DEM in the White House?

As far as I can tell we don't. We are stupid enough to believe it will not happen again? He is correct. They are waiting for us just like an article said last week they are already preparing to swift boat the Hillary.

[sufrommich]

4. They aren't waiting to swiftboat Hillary,

they're in full attack mode already and it's not working.

[ShortnFiery]

16. Yes it is, but IMO, it's not evident in Penn's push-polls.

:evilgrin:

[sufrommich]

20. So,in other words, it's

just a "feeling" you have.

[ShortnFiery]

21. Oh hell, look around you? There are all sorts of voodoo pollings going on.

They don't call our M$M and corporate sponsorship *Infotainment* for no reason. :evilgrin:

[sufrommich]

24. Apparently ,the "M$M"

didn't get the memo:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3662126

[aquart]

10. And they would NOT swiftboat Obama? Get real.

Hillary has twenty years of experience in sinking swiftboats. Obama has...one nasty madrassah rumor. Which he's still fighting.

Gore was a boyscout and they made him out to be a boring liar.

Kerry was a war hero and they called him a coward and traitor.

EVERYTHING about Hillary is known and nobody gives a shit.

But Obama will sail thru without a malicious remark? What are you smoking?

[babylonsister]

3. Perhaps he's going to highlight how similar Clinton would be to what

we now suffer with. :think:

[aquart]

11. Which would be a Naderesque lie.

Unless you believe Ginsberg and Alito are twins separated at birth?

[babylonsister]

12. I don't agree; she's very concerned with her corporate connections

and interests, just as the present occupants are.

[aquart]

14. That is such a disgusting piece of slander, it's almost unforgivable.

To say ANY Democrat is the equivalent of those criminals. BACK IT UP OR SLITHER AWAY.

[ShortnFiery]

17. No it's not, HRC corporate connections - even contributions from a homophobic black leader

are evident for all to see. :shrug:

[babylonsister]

18. You asked for it:

We can't all be nuts...wake up and smell the coffee!


http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/hillary-clinton-a-bundle-of-telecom-moneyand-a-strange-silence/

snip//

Now everyone who has been soaking up all that telecom money, who needed that “war on terra” excuse for their vote, is in a bit of a bind. Is it a coincidence we haven’t heard anything convincing from Hillary Clinton, who took in $87,130 in telecom contributions in the 2006 cycle — more than anyone else currently in the Senate? That makes Jay Rockefeller’s contributions look like abject chicken feed.

Mike McCurry and Jamie Gorelick, who both served in the previous Clinton administration, have been raking in money as telecom lobbyists, and no doubt they’ll have some s’plainin to do if Hillary joins Dodd in his filibuster (Gorelick has been providing “strategic advice” to Verizon about obtaining immunity). But if as Hillary Clinton says she accepts lobbyist money and yet it doesn’t influence her vote, wouldn’t now be a nice time to prove that’s true? By making an unquivocal statement and bring attention to the matter, she could create a groundswell of public support that puts pressure on other Senate Democrats to respect the rule of law.

Then again, maybe that’s the problem.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3647065

Oh, and here:

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2067

[wyldwolf]

5. Obama's strategy is like a boxer bragging about what he's going to do

When I get in the ring with Hillary, I'm going throw a left jab to get her off balance, then a right hook, then an uppercut.

But when the fight finally happens, Clinton counters everything as if she knew exactly what he was going to do. And she did. Because he TOLD everyone!

[Tom Rinaldo]

6. "Oddly, Clinton’s rivals have shied away from the electability argument"

Seems to me Edwards has been making "electability" part of his pitch for awhile now. And it pains me to say this, but I am not sure that an African American making a pitch that Americans will refuse to vote for Hillary for non-policy reasons makes political sense for him to push.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. The Electability Argument Is A Dangerous One

The electability argument is a dangerous one because it makes your candidacy prisoner to the polls and popularity isn't a fixed entity in a political campaign...

[Tom Rinaldo]

15. Really good point. n/t

[aquart]

13. Because it says there's no reason to vote for THEM.

Nasty two-edged sword, that "electability" thing. It says the only reason to vote for me is nobody will vote for the other guy you like better. It's the worst possible argument to make in a primary. It says that what you want doesn't matter. Only what the other guy wants matters.

In the primary, I'm voting for Edwards and my mom is voting for Kucinich and I'm damned proud of her. Electability is NOT a primary issue. The choice of the Democratic majority is the issue. We cannot know that choice unless people vote for the candidate they prefer, not the candidate they think someone ELSE prefers.

Obama keeps making sleazy greenhorn mistakes.

[ShortnFiery]

19. I'd rather have "a scrapper" than "an establishment" crony.

Any day of the week, give me The Genuine Article. Then with his/her intelligence and carefully selected advisers (NOT from the pre-fabed DLC pool of Bill's old Cabinet), America can begin to recover from the horrid experience of neo-liberalism (Bill Clinton) and neo-conservatism (Reagan, Bush I, Bush II).

If ever we needed to change direction, both in the domestic and international arenas, THAT TIME IS NOW. :thumbsup:

[denem]

7. Next year I will vote for a Dem pumpkin sandwich if necessary

Ham is so 2004.

[cobalt1999]

9. The "electable" issue dumb to pursue.

It makes the candidate look like he is scared of the republicans and so should we. Scared isn't a trait people are looking for in their nominee. I don't see this as a great strategy for any candidate to pursue and it certainly isn't a "magic bullet" fix for a campaign.

[Tellurian]

22. Obama is SO in over his head...theres nothing he can say to damage Hillary..

Obama will use soundbytes and scare tactics because that is all he has in his arsenal.
Hillary will point to her record and accomplishments. Obama cannot match Hillary's credibility and GRAVITAS!

Too bad, he hasn't figured that out yet. On the other hand, he may Learn something tonight.

[opihimoimoi]

23. Obama is desperate....He apparently thought he could be the ONE

but as he is finding out now....he is the TWO and has to play catch up...too late to drop out...he must play it all the way....

and....he could be Chris Dodd...2%