Giuliani's ad lies about prostate cancer cure rates in US and UK ...

[Hieronymus]

According to his ad, the cure rate in the US is 82% and in UK it's 44%. The actual rates are, for a man Rudy's age, US 82% and UK 83%.
Thom Hartmann just reported this and gave the following link.
http://cancerresearchuk.org/

[GodlessBiker]

1. Where did Giuliani come up with his numbers?

[clydefrand]

5. Where else, but

his but!  Really good candidates use real numbers, or, don't
discuss the subject, but lousy candicated just pull numbers of
their ass as though they were real.  Giuliani is not the only
one guilty of this.

[OKNancy]

2. Here is the page with the pie chart

http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/mortality/?a=5441

[Vinca]

3. Since my husband and I are uninsured, that ad particularly pisses me off.

Ole Rudy might have been cured, but if you can't afford to pay for insurance to cover expensive cancer treatments you're dead meat. There's a common theme that runs through the Republicans. It's their selfishness. I've got mine, shame about you, now go away.

[OKNancy]

4. Oh... this would be a great story for Keith Olbermann

He loves stuff like this

[gratuitous]

6. Is Giuliani a serial exaggerator yet?

Or is that reserved only for Democratic candidates?

Can we safely opine that Giuliani will say anything to get elected?

Will the talking chuckleheads say that Giuliani can't be trusted?

By the way, I wonder how the costs of treatment compare in the two countries? That is, how much does a patient spend out of pocket to be in the 83% in the UK or the 82% in the US?

[iverglas]

7. interesting question -- relative costs

In Canada, I have a friend who has been receiving prostate cancer treatment for some time now. Out of pocket cost, zero -- unless he's taking any prescription drugs, which will be covered by his public service retiree group plan, with a very minimal annual co-payment. My partner's mother is receiving lung cancer treatment at present. Out of pocket cost, zero, and no prescription drugs that I know of, but if there were she'd be covered by the rather complicated senior cits' drug plan in this province, which would be a max of $100 a year, I think.

Lots of expensive taxi rides, though.

In the UK, there are two different situations. The first would be tratment under the NHS, in which case the out of pocket expense could be expected to be zero. The second would be "going private", either by having private insurance to cover treatment or by paying for treatment out of pocket. They'd have to be considered separately, really.

Intersting that Rudy didn't mention Canada -- a quick google produces the info:

http://www.cancer.ca/vgn/images/portal/cit_86751114/59/33/1836654978QC-FailtsSaillantsCancers-07-EN.pdf

The prostate cancer mortality rate began to decline in the mid-1990s. Between 1994 and 2003, the mortality rate dropped substantially (2.7% per year), most likely due to early detection combined with better treatment.

Survival

In Canada, the five-year relative survival is 91% for prostate cancer.