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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:46 PM
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John Edwards crossed the line in his personal attack on Hillary yesterday. Wow is he desperate
At least when Obama attacks her, he keeps it more honorable and doesn't refer to her as being just another lousy corrupt Republican like Edwards did.

What a boneheaded tactic by Edwards to think he could say that kind of crap about another Democrat, let alone our front runner, and get away with it. Republicans all over the country wish to personally thank John Edwards for doing their job for them in slandering the top Democrat. I wouldn't be a bit suprised if Edwards' ratings sink even lower after this, if that's even possible.

The Goddess of Peace will make Edwards pay for his disloyal personal attack on a fellow Democrat. Wait and see. :smoke:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:48 PM
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1. No one has any idea what you are talking about
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:12 PM
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12. It was on the morning news how he uncorked on her with the personal allegations
He implied that she was no better than what we've got now in Washington and directly compared her to corrupt Republicans. Edwards just put the final nail into his own political coffin with his disloyal remarks toward another Democrat that do nothing but help the other side.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:45 PM
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32. Sounds like he was attacking her policies, nothing wrong with that...
:hi:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 09:34 PM
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48. No, he implied that she would be a continuation of corruption in DC & the same as Bush
among other personal attacks he made about her. He pretty much said she is a crooked politician, without using the word "crooked".

:hi:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:08 PM
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50. Well, he's not wrong about that
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:09 PM
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51. Boy who says emperor has no clothes is a wet blanket and should be drawn & quartered...
is that what you mean?
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:58 PM
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37. So what did he actually say?
As opposed to your spin and calling out for divine wrath and all that.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 09:04 PM
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46. Nope... he's got the courage to tell the TRUTH about Hillary..
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:48 PM
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2. I wish Hillary would be our "Goddess of Peace" nt
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:03 PM
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25. something like jumbo shrimp or military intelligence?
:rofl:
goddess of peace.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:44 PM
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45. That's not an oxymoron! ... eom
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:50 PM
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3. Keep on smokin'
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:52 PM
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4. Slander is only slander when it isn't true.
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:58 PM
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8. Ding!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:14 PM
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14. Saying that Hillary would be just an extension of Republican corruption IS slander and disloyal
to anyone who is working to put the Republicans out of office.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:59 PM
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38. How is it disloyal?
Since when was HRC proclaimed the nominee when not a single ballot has been cast?
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:11 PM
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52. The truth hurts, eh? n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:54 PM
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5. Well, at least he didn't question her personal freshness. But yeah...
... how dare he say something bad about someone he's running against... during an ELECTION!

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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:56 PM
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6. If he said those exact words, then...
he just came a step closer to getting my vote. The truth is the truth. And, HILLARY, a GODDESS OF PEACE? Puhhhleeeeezzzeee.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:56 PM
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7. I can never tell if your posts about Hillary are supposed to be serious or not
Calling her the "Goddess of Peace" would seem to indicate this is satire.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:58 PM
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22. I wasn't sure myself
And then with the little toking smiley, too...
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:59 PM
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9. Obama called Clinton "Bush Cheney lite"
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:18 PM
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15. Did he?
I think tonight ought to be fun. I am looking forward to watching Hillary kick some bootee.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:00 PM
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24. yes, he did, but that was some time ago
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 06:00 PM by Lirwin2
I think it was just after the "I would meet with them" controvery.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:01 PM
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10. "The Goddess of Peace" >?!?!?
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FuJun Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:07 PM
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11. Huh?
"Goddess of Peace"???? Did you forget the sarcasm tag???
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:12 PM
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13. John & Elizabeth are lower than a snake's belly
I truly began to lose respect for them, after her comment that the choices she made in her life, made her a happier person than Sen Clinton.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:25 PM
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17. Yep - I also did not like her snarky comments about Teresa Kerry
in her book. She is a moralizing bitch.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:18 PM
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30. OUCH!
Oooowww-chhh. Ouch.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:12 PM
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36. Agree.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:26 AM
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63. I've heard worse about Teresa from other Dems
If you ask me, Elizabeth gave Teresa a pass when Teresa took little Jack's thumb out of his mouth for the photo op after Edwards was selected as VP candidate by JK. I thought that was a mistake; as a parent and grandparent, I would not like it. And it didn't look very good, IMHO.

When I was raising money in Greenwich, I heard a wealthy, very committed Dem, tell how she gave a fundraising party for the Kerry campaign, as she had done for the Clintons before, and Teresa came to speak. Evidently, she did not follow up with a thank you note which is NOT what you are supposed to do.

I did get the feeling that EE didn't care for Teresa for the way she was treated. I didn't find it snarky. But I thought EE felt disappointed. What I took away from it (and Ijust finished her book).

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MichDem10 Donating Member (644 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:22 PM
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16. Clearly she can't stand the heat and needs to get out of the kitchen!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:31 PM
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20. If only Edwards knew how to handle the heat from the right wing like Hillary has all her life
In 2004 he couldn't even match up in the debates against asswipe, Cheney, for chrise sakes, so let's get it straight who can handle the heat and who can't.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:10 PM
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28. Really?
What were you smoking that night?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-10-05-debate-edit_x.htm

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/10/3e3e9f2a-581f-4591-b2a0-cf458867809b.html

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/dailycourier/news/s_258973.html


In a jab at the Bush-Cheney campaign's claim on experience, Edwards said, "Mr. Vice President, I don't think the country can take four more years of this type of experience."


Most thought it was a draw - Republicans thought Cheney won and Democrats thought Edwards won....hmmmmm, makes me wonder about your comment.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:27 PM
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18. You mean sink like the did when he was polling 5% in Iowa and then finished two point behind Kerry
For second place and this was after Clark , jumped in at the same time..That was a miracle wasn't it.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:31 PM
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19. Desperate? BULLSHIT.
Hillary has a long list of things she needs to be on the defensive about. And face it, she's taking in TONS OF CORPORATE MONEY.

What the hell got us in the position we're in now in the first place? CORPORATIONS.

Do you suppose they're giving Hillary all that cash just because they love her so much, without expecting anything in return except for her undying gratitude?

Hillary's position on issues changes as often as the direction of the wind or the audience she's pandering speaking to.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:52 PM
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21. Thank God JE is sinking in the polls. He is not someone that should
be in the WH. I'm not a fan of Hillary's either, but JE tries every angle to get himself elected. It seems like he just throws things out there and watches to see what sticks. After JE's sole job of the last few years of campaigning and positioning himself to be POTUS, it looks like he just isn't able to get thru. So, while other candidates continued to do the people's work, they also ran their campaigns with as much success or more succes than JE...... I can't wait to see JE try to kiss up to Hillary after this for VP. NOT!
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:12 PM
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29. That would be a very
cold day in hell if Edwards were ever to kiss up. Attack the MSM for not getting through, or are you paying attention?
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:37 PM
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31. What are you talking about????? He kissed up plenty with Kerry
and the question is ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION to JE's record?

Bush came into office with all kind of warning signs that he wasn't "up to the job" as POTUS, JE has warning signs as well...like his short and disaterous stint in the Senate and how JE managed to vote wrong on the Patriot Act, Bankruptcy Bill, Free Trade with China, Co sponsored massive increase in H-1b Visas, JE co-sponsored the IWR and then voted for it, to stood by it a year later, and then finally said that he was sorry after the polls turned, three years and one failed election later. Slow on the uptake I'd say - way too slow for the demands of POTUS

Edwards DID NOT generate or champion any poverty legislation during his 6 years in the senate (while he co sponsored the IWR?????) Real humanitarian and champion of the poor huh.

Edwards literally bed down in Iowa and New Hampshire for a couple of years while he nervously wavered because he didn't know if he was gonna run since his wife was sick!!!! He could have stayed in the Senate to help clean up a mess that he helped create. Somebody with a conscince would have done that. But wait a minute, JE probably wouldn't have been re -elected as a Senator in his own state......why is that?

John Edwards (D-NC) took aim at Iran, warning that the "world won't back down." .....John Edwards, who poses as a peace candidate, declares that we will go to war with Iran before we'll let them break Israel's nuclear monopoly in the Middle East, that should tell us that he didn't seem to learn from his disasterous Iraq vote, ya think?

Why let the proof of his actions get in the way of a great sales pitch????? I am personally looking at the candidates ACTIONS.

Huckaby isn't getting much MSM coverage as well and he is doing good, how about Ron Paul, He is doing better than what the MSM wants to admit to . JE is failing because mose of us can see thru the rhetoric ESPECIALLY you look at his short and dismal record in the Senate.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:57 PM
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33. There you go again...
Judging poor John Edwards by his actions instead of his rhetoric.

Haven't you learned by now that actions mean nothing... all that matters is what people say they did after they did it.

So if John Edwards tells you he voted for war to make way for peace, by golly, we have to support him.
(obviously not a real Edwards quote).


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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:34 PM
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54. Obviously too many people on this board choose to ignore
his actions and completely buy his rhetoric. I just wish that I knew their addresses and personal information so I could sell them a bridge in the Sahara Desert and Hot Water Spring land in Alaska....Some of them probably bought into the "No Child Left Behind Act" to, as well as the "Mushroom Cloud" threat from Iraq and of course the is Bush's Healthy Sky" Initiative oh, and I forgot....Pigs do fly!
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:12 PM
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71. That is offensive to Edwards' supporters.
Many of us thought long and hard about who to support, and for you to compare JE supporters to those that "bought into the No Child Left Behind Act" and the "Mushroom Cloud threat" is disgusting. I would like to note that I have been against those things since day one, along with this horrid Bush Inc.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:42 PM
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75. I am not saying that JE is the same as Bush, but there are similarities
in that JE voted more like a Repub - IWR, Bankruptcy, Patriot Act, Visas.... Has also talked about leaving all options on the table as far as Iran and that we could absolutely not allow Iran to get nukes. He is against gay marriage.... But he talks about being a Democrat and Democratic Voters, he points the fingers at Senators and Congressman that don't vote the way he thinks that the voters want them to vote, yet JE didn't stay in Congress to help clean up a mess that he was part of making. He left his fellow Democrats to do the dirty work. This all is very much the way that Bush has acted. Saying one thing while doing another, leaving a mess for someone else to clean up, pointing fingers and casting false blame....

I see a man that has done next to nothing to #1 PROVE that he is capable of making his policies work and that #2 he has the real intention to take the on furious battle (which is inevitable) once a new POTUS takes office and #3 I see no evidence of the vast knowledge that will be needed for the many complexities that will be needed to be effective.

I see very little PROOF from JE supporters that their man is qualified. There is little to nothing of evidence of what this man can show as qualifications. He cannot run on his record. He has very little public servant experience to talk about. He is just coming up with policies which, while they sound good, are a far cry from knowing how to implement them and how to make quick sound judgments on a day to day experience. He "analyzed" the info about Iraq and never shared it with us on what exactly persuaded him to vote and co sponsor it. He still as of this year talks hawkish about Iran in the same way that he talked about Iraq.....I see a fatally flawed candidate that has little but great rhetoric going for him, much like Bush.

There are similarities in their lack of qualifications to be POTUS and we sure know how 8 years with * turned out.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:42 PM
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44. Actions?
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 08:42 PM by waiting for hope
Here's a great post by Sapphire Blue outlining the bills he has sponsored:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=805559&mesg_id=805559

The entire list on bills he sponsored:

http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d106&querybd=@FIELD(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Edwards++John))+01573))- and he voted no to funding: "Voted NO on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)" http://www.ontheissues.org/John_Edwards.htm

A speech from 2003 while he was still in the Senate and his position has not wavered since then:

Remarks of Senator John Edwards Des Moines, Iowa Monday, December 29, 2003 As Prepared

It is an honor to be here at Creative Visions. Since 1996, your doors have been open to thousands of young people in need of a safe and caring place. Whether it's an after-school program, a job training class, or a Sunday night meal at the drop in for homeless young people, the work that you do every day is nothing short of heroic.

This is the time of year when we remember what matters to us: our family and loved ones, and the hope we all have for a better new year. For Democrats - and for all Americans who work hard and deserve a better life -- we have three more days until the clock strikes midnight and the calendar year changes to our year 2004! I know we all thought that it would never come, but here it is just days away.

Can you see the light at the end of the tunnel? Can you see the ending of the Bush Presidency and a new beginning for America? Can you see that in a few short months, once again America will no longer work for just a privileged few, but for all of us? Can you see that bright future for all of us because I sure can!

Last week, I visited my 99th county in Iowa, and the people of Iowa have been extraordinary. They have welcomed me into their homes, along their Main Streets, and in their schools. I have been listening to them over the course of the last year. They're worried about their country, and they want America to change course.

In a few weeks, George Bush will make his State of the Union Address -- and let this one be his last. According to press reports, White House aides are desperately searching for a vision -- and that one of the leading ideas is to propose that America go back to the moon. Well, I'm all for the space program, but Mr. President, if you're looking for a vision, it's time to solve the middle-class problems you've forgotten here on earth.

This President has done a lot of damage in the last four years, and he'll do a lot worse if we let him have four more. More American jobs getting shipped overseas. More seniors who can't afford the prescription drugs they need. More young people getting into trouble because there's no safe place for them to go after school.

We have 21 days until caucus night. The people of Iowa have had enough of George W. Bush. In three weeks, Iowa has a chance to prevent four more years!

Just like the work you do here at Creative Visions, I believe the 2004 election is about hope. It is about changing America to build the country we all believe in. This contest has been going on so long, it's easy for some to forget how much is at stake. Too often, politicians forget this isn't about how we're doing; it's about how you're doing. Too often, when politicians don't have faith in their ideas to confront the tough issues, they attack. That's why you have seen attack ads on Iraq. Attack ads on Medicare. Attack ads about attack ads.

Today, I want to talk about what really matters. Something much bigger, more disturbing, and more important is at stake. Four years ago, George Bush came here to Iowa as a candidate and promised to be a uniter, not a divider. But four years later, we are divided, not united.

Today, under George W. Bush, there are two Americas, not one: One America that does the work, another America that reaps the reward. One America that pays the taxes, another America that gets the tax breaks. One America that will do anything to leave its children a better life, another America that never has to do a thing because its children are already set for life. One America -- middle-class America - whose needs Washington has long forgotten, another America - narrow-interest America - whose every wish is Washington's command. One America that is struggling to get by, another America that can buy anything it wants, even a Congress and a President.

2004 is a make-or-break election because we need to create one America again. And that is the one thing George Bush will never do. Dividing us into two Americas - one privileged, the other burdened - has been his agenda all along. Just look what he wants to do to our tax code. From the beginning, this President has had one solitary goal: to shift the tax burden away from the wealth of the most fortunate and onto the work of the middle class. He wants to cut the capital gains tax, eliminate the dividends tax and the estate tax, and create new tax shelters for millionaires' stocks that are bigger than most people's salaries. By the time he's done, the only people who pay taxes in America will be the millions of middle-class and poor Americans who do all the work.

That's wrong. It's wrong for a millionaire who sits by the pool on the phone to his broker to pay tax at a lower rate than the cop on the beat or the waitress working two shifts.

What's more, by dividing us into two Americas, George Bush is hurting our economy, cheating our future, and undermining our very way of life. The engine of our economy is not that guy sitting by the pool. It is millions of guys and gals in factories, fields, and offices across America who go to work every day trying to do right by their families. When we invest in those Americans, our middle-class grows, and our whole economy grows. That is the simple truth George Bush will never understand.

Look at what has happened to the middle class over the last 4 years of George Bush. In this state alone, since George Bush took office, 22,000 Iowans lost their health care, 23,000 Iowans lost good paying manufacturing jobs, 59,000 Iowans fell into poverty, and the number of people filing for bankruptcy increased by more than 50 percent. 12,000 Iowans filed for bankruptcy last year, most of them men and women who lost their job or who suffered a medical emergency. Their backs were breaking, but they could no longer make ends meet.

Middle-class families have gone from being able to save for retirement or buy a house, to now teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. These aren't poor Americans; they're the working middle-class. And they are terrified that if something goes wrong-a lost job or a health care disaster-they're just one bad break away from falling off the cliff. For these families, the American dream of building something better is being replaced by the hope of just getting by.

If the current trend continues, one out of seven middle-class families with children will go bankrupt by the end of the decade. Think about what it means that 1 in 7 middle-class families could go bankrupt by the end of this decade. It means the middle-class-the foundation of our country-is sinking. Increasingly we are divided between those who live by the 1st and the 15th every month and those who don't ever look at the calendar when they write a check.

You don't have to take my word for it. Listen to the largest corporation in America, Wal-Mart. The New York Times reported the other day that Wal-Mart's own figures show that sales go up around the 1st and 15th of every month. Across America, millions are literally living from one paycheck to the next.

Of course, it would help if Wal-Mart paid its own workers higher wages, instead of driving down the pay scale for everybody. But in George Bush's Two Americas, workers don't matter. Only owners matter.

Next month, George Bush will roll out yet another set of new tax breaks for the wealth of the wealthy, to be paid for down the road by the children of the middle class. The President has a new name for this: he calls it the ownership society. After four years, we know what George Bush means by an ownership society: an America where those who own the most get the most, while those who work hardest own less and owe more.

We cannot go on as two nations, one favored, the other forgotten. It is wrong to reward those who don't have to work at the expense of those who do. If we want America to be a growing, thriving democracy, with the greatest work ethic and the strongest middle class on earth, we must choose a different path.

As President, I will put the government, the economy, and the tax code back in line with our values. No more tax breaks for corporations that move their headquarters overseas or buy life insurance on janitors and make themselves the beneficiaries. No more tax breaks for CEOs who give themselves millions in top-hat pensions while giving no pensions at all to ordinary workers. No more playing games with the budget and driving up deficits. And no more of the Bush administration's war on work. When I'm President, we'll be one America, not two.

I have a plan to make America work for all of us, by creating 5 million new jobs in my first two years, making health care a birthright for every child just like public education, reforming Washington to end the dirty politics as usual, saving Medicare, and securing our world from terror and weapons of mass destruction. But most important, I'll give every American the chance to build their future again. Under my plan, every American will have the chance to be an owner - to buy a home, save for college, or put money aside for a secure retirement. The ownership society should look like American society, not George Bush's secret society.

First, we'll give struggling families a chance to realize the American dream, with a $5,000 tax credit toward the down payment on their first home. There is no better way to build a strong, secure nest egg, and get ahead for the long haul than owning a home.

I was the first member in my family to go to college and it was a big deal. But today, hundreds of thousands of young people-who are qualified to go to college-give up on their education because they believe that they can't pay for it. So second, I want to make college affordable with my College for Everyone plan. For those young people who are willing to work 10 hours a week and can get into a university-you'll go tuition free for the first year. And I will increase funding for Pell grants and financial aid so you can stay in school.

Third, we need to reward family. We can start by offering a family leave newborn child tax credit of up to $2,500. This will give new parents some financial help so that they can spend the time they need to start life with their new son or daughter. This benefit would help more than 120,000 Iowans and give those families the peace of mind to take off work or pay for other expenses.

Fourth, when the time comes for Americans to retire, I want to help families who can't afford to put money away now by giving them a helping hand, a match of up to $1 for every $1 they save. A waitress who starts putting away a few dollars each week at age 25 could retire with $250,000 on top of other savings. And I'll help families invest in the stock market by lowering capital gains and dividend rates for the middle class.

Finally, while we offer tax cuts to help families save, we also need to take on the big financial interests that eat away at families' savings. Predatory mortgage lenders and irresponsible payday lenders and credit card companies are robbing families blind with their outrageous fees and penalties. When I am President, we'll pass tough laws to stop them.

I believe we need to ease the burdens on the middle class. And for the life of me, I can't understand why some other candidates in this race want to raise taxes on work and make life harder for the middle class. We know that President Bush's tax cuts did not do enough for working people. But our answer cannot be to raise taxes on the people who make the least, especially families with children.

We cannot say to an average family of four in Iowa, your taxes are going up by more than $1,700. To the average elementary school teacher here who is supporting two kids alone, your taxes are going up by $1,500. To an electrician and a nurse's aide who together make $40,000 and have no kids, your taxes are going up by almost $1,000.

These are men and women whose backs are already breaking. They are hungry for us to lead in a way that helps them get ahead and pulls our whole country forward. That money means a lot to them Means they can buy clothes for their kids. Means the mortgage payments are made. Means the bills get paid.

Now, we do need to roll back President Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest 2 percent. And I believe we need to go further and raise the tax rate on the unearned wealth of the top 1 percent, so they don't pay any less than the middle class. But my plan restores fiscal discipline by asking more from those who have the most, not those who need help the most.

I am proud that one of the Democrats' core values is to protect working families. This is a value I will never abandon. It is at the heart of what makes America the best place on earth: where individuals can take a great idea, mix it with ingenuity, might and muscle, and build a future and a country better than the one we found.

I have benefited from this middle-class dream because I have lived in the shining light of America. My life has been blessed with extraordinary success. My story should not be an exception-it should occur every single day and these opportunities should be available to every American.

These steps I proposed would change America. They would not only strengthen our middle class; they would strengthen our economy. You see, I have a much different economic vision than this President. I believe the backbone of the American economy is the hard work, determination, and ingenuity of the middle class, not the insiders. I believe the way to grow the economy is to grow and strengthen the middle class, not shrink its size and add to its burdens. I believe the way a rich nation gets richer is by giving all its citizens the chance to get richer, not by only helping those like me who've already succeeded beyond our wildest dreams. I believe the way to create new wealth is by rewarding work and responsibility, not coddling the privileged and going soft on executives, accountants, and analysts who squander other people's money.

We cannot let that handful of big corporations and insiders keep us from making the middle-class stronger. And I want to say this as directly as I know how to say it. Some people have said, now wait a minute Senator Edwards, you haven't been in Washington that long. You haven't spent your whole life in politics. How do we know you'll take them on? Because I spent more time than anybody in this race fighting these powerful interests.

I've been fighting this fight my whole life. For 20 years, I have sat in courtrooms across from these people. I have been an advocate for families and their children against armies of lawyers. I've won most of those battles. In the Senate, I fought for the Patients' Bill of Rights, against big HMOs, against big insurance companies. I fought to bring down prescription drug costs for every American, against big drug companies. I fought to do something about drug company advertising on TV when others weren't willing to do it. I fought to create energy independence in this country. I have been fighting this fight all my life, and will fight harder as President.

And together, we can build the America of our dreams. Standing here at Creative Visions is a lasting reminder of how great things happen all across this country. When you combine an advocate like Ako Abdul Samad, an idea, and the hope to improve people's lives-this country-there are no limits to what we can accomplish.

Throughout our history, whenever America became a place that was divisive and divided along economic or racial boundaries, we all suffered. And whenever we worked hard to lift up everyone and close our great divides, we prospered.

For every man and woman who is worried about paying their bills; for every child who needs health care and a strong school to go to, and for every American who waits for the 1st and the 15th of every month-together we will end this era of anxiety. We will replace the crass politics of greed and the current politics of rage with a new politics of opportunity.

We are all angry at what George Bush has done to our country, our values, and our way of life. But we all know in our hearts that our anger won't change America; our actions will. Democrats are the party of optimism and action, and I am in this fight to keep that tradition alive, and to build on our country's great successes.

Because I believe in an America where every man, woman, and child can reach his or her God-given potential. I believe in an America where the family you're born into and the color of your skin should never control your destiny. And I still believe in an America where the son of a mill worker can beat the son of a president to win the White House in 2004!

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/refs/Safari_Scrapbook3/John%20Edwards:%20Speech%20Text:%20'Two%20Americas'.html



And his work on the Poverty Issue:

During the 2004 elections, as The Guardian article reminds, John Edwards raised poverty to a presidential-level conversation for the first time in forty years. And even then, he had to mute his passion and words once he became the vice-presidential candidate. So it's heartening that Edwards, in these last months, has retrieved his focus and passion and launched a campaign to "eradicate poverty in America." (For more, check out Bob Moser's fine Nation profile) He's created a think tank at the University of North Carolina, The Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity," designed to tackle the nation's deep and abiding economic and racial inequities, and taken his antipoverty crusade to more than thirty states.

Edwards isn't alone. There are movements which continue to work hard, with too little support or attention; there are also less prominent political figures. But what we need is a critical mass of elected representatives, at all levels. Make this issue a campaign. Don't just talk the talk, but really work to fulfill the oft-proclaimed promise of America as a land of opportunity for all. Begin by fighting tooth and nail to increase the minimum wage. Shame on those who refuse to pass it. And then let's support the successful living wage movement, and the anti-poverty movements and coalitions working in our communities and nation-wide.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15&pid=61828


And the states he rallied in to help raise the minimum wage:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13907040/

And his involvement with Acorn:

http://acorn.org/index.php?id=4174&tx_ttnews=18145&tx_ttnews=8306&cHash=9487b19ffc

But, after reading your reply, I don't think you will take the time to read this. What is it about the man that threatens you so?




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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:56 PM
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55. You have your JE quotes and I have mine......some appear to contradict each other - WHY
is that?

Why did he vote for the Patriot Act?

Why did he co sponsor and vote for the IWR?
The problem is, five of the nine Democratic Senate Intelligence committee members at the time -- including then-chair Bob Graham -- voted against the Iraq war resolution. Edwards hasn't said what the super-top-secret evidence that convinced him -- but didn't convince the majority of the Democrats on the committee -- was. Which is kind of odd, because it appears to have been just as wrong as Bush's intelligence.

Why did he vote for Bankruptcy Bill?

Why did he Co sponsor massive increase in H-1b Visas?


And his work on the Poverty Issue:


During the 2004 elections, as The Guardian article reminds, John Edwards raised poverty to a presidential-level conversation for the first time in forty years. And even then, he had to mute his passion and words once he became the vice-presidential candidate. So it's heartening that Edwards, in these last months, has retrieved his focus and passion and launched a campaign to "eradicate poverty in America." (For more, check out Bob Moser's fine Nation profile) He's created a think tank at the University of North Carolina, The Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity," designed to tackle the nation's deep and abiding economic and racial inequities, and taken his antipoverty crusade to more than thirty states.

"Edwards isn't alone. There are movements which continue to work hard, with too little support or attention; there are also less prominent political figures. But what we need is a critical mass of elected representatives, at all levels. Make this issue a campaign. Don't just talk the talk, but really work to fulfill the oft-proclaimed promise of America as a land of opportunity for all. Begin by fighting tooth and nail to increase the minimum wage. Shame on those who refuse to pass it. And then let's support the successful living wage movement, and the anti-poverty movements and coalitions working in our communities and nation-wide.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15&pid=61828"

"Edwards, a former Democratic senator from North Carolina, launched the center in 2005 at the Washington (D.C.) address of his PAC. The nonprofit raised $1.3 million in 2005, the only year for which data are available, and spent some of it on a national speaking tour for Edwards. It also spent $259,000 on consultants. The campaign declines to disclose the donors or consultants. The center is now defunct, and some of its key leaders are now aiding the Edwards campaign.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_22/c403... "

Most of what you have said is what JE has said, little on what he is actually done that cannot be questioned. He made disasterous votes in the Senate, He only was in the Senate for 6 years, during which part of that time - as a freshman Senator - he ran for POTUS. So, not only does he not have much experience in Political Government, but in the 1 office and 1 term that he did serve, he ended up doing more self serving than serving the people who elected him.

I look at actions and credentials and expertise - What JE says means little to me if I cannot establish a history of ACTIONS that support his words. I learned a long time ago from Reagan that an actor can be pretty persuasive, that, however does NOT qualify him to be POTUS.

It totally amazes me how people will just "take somebody's word" on something as obviously flawed as political promises made during a campaign and those people will support that person in the most powerful position in the world....How little we expect from our leaders... - No, how little you expect from your leaders. At least the other candidates have 10 years or more of public life and service to study.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #55
56. It would be really interesting
to see which candidate you support - based on your remarks:

It totally amazes me how people will just "take somebody's word" on something as obviously flawed as political promises made during a campaign and those people will support that person in the most powerful position in the world....How little we expect from our leaders... -

Because all of them have a chink that someone can find a stick to poke through. As I said before, what is it about him that threatens you so? All of his policy stands are positive and are geared toward helping the lower and middle classes. You have ignored my link to Acorn and his work to help raise minimum wage, so here's another link that also has his work with unions and well as winning the Wellstone Award: http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/1/25/94337/1805 - if you are unfamiliar with the Wellstone Award - http://blog.aflcio.org/2006/12/09/edwards-miller-honored-at-afl-cio-organizing-summit/

Your stand on this would be more credible if you had a candidate for President that meets your criteria and were to post something positive. Other than that, all I see is a Strawman argument and not worth noting.

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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #56
69. I like Dennis Kucinich and Gore - Clark was someone that I cared about as well
JE has some good things on policy right now, but I don't trust him to deliver - he doesn't have the experience or track record in Government. When he was in Government he made very bad judgments and passionately backed them up. It took him to long to admit his mistake on Iraq - way to slow for me. I knew that Iraq was a bad thing....many Dem leaders were against going into Iraq, JE chose not to listen to them and voted with Bush. That combined with the amount of time it took to admit that he made a mistake - plus his votes on Visas - Patriot Act - Bankruptcy...showed me what he would do with this votes and his decision making powers.

His "extensive" record of helping the poor while in office does not exist....he wasn't in office long enough to develop an extensive list of things that he REALLY WORKED HARD AND LONG ON because he spent close to half of his term campaigning for POTUS and V POTUS..... I like analyzing what claims are made and what really is possible.

I resent that this man is so arrogant that he never even completed 1 term in public office before he started campaigning for the #1 office of this country. How audacious is that? How much work has this man done "for the people?" Very little, he is very focused on his own career. Many of the other candidates have worked trying to do things for their constituents for years. They have been elected and reelected to their offices, they have campaigned and continued being held accountable for their actions in Washington. JE has not, after 6 short years in Washington he concentrated totally on his own career advancement and has not "worked" to help anyone or anything. I really resent his obvious over confidence in his own abilities. I look at him and I see him using his looks and his charisma and his family's struggles for his own gain - which in itself isn't all bad, but when I look to see what else he has to offer, concretely, there is nothing but a bad record in the Senate and many promises made in his campaign.

When he was chosen as VP for 04, it was a joke. He didn't really help the ticket at all. He didn't have the FP credentials or a history of solid work for the American People in the Public Sector. He is the most unqualified of the candidates, he is obviously not taking with the American People and I don't trust his stances on many issues, there are too many contradictions in this man's short political life. I don't want to see a Democratic Candidate that I am going to be embarrassed of down the road.

The minimum wage issue was a no brainer.

I have posted positive things about the candidates that I choose and that I respect....JE isn't one of them and I really pray that he doesn't get elected in the primaries......so far it looks like the majority of voters are with me about JE.

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:00 PM
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23. Do you have a link to a story or the MSM station you saw this on?
I'd like to see/hear Edwards words.

Thanks in advance :hi:
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:04 PM
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26. i thought Edwards was right and has every right to say so.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:05 PM
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27. I'm liking Edwards more and more. And you're kinda cute, too! nt
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:00 PM
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34. You lost me with "Goddess of Peace".
Nevertheless, time to make another campaign contribution to the Edwards campaign. Thanks for the reminder.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:11 PM
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35. ME too !
:hi:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #34
60. I actually LOL'd at the Peace Godess thing!
Yikes....
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:05 PM
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39. It''s like he is running for President of the Netroots...
Rather than of the United States...

He might want to listen less top Joe Trippi...this playbook is a loser for him...
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Uh huh
So what is it he said that's got all the Hilbots up in a frenzy? Or is this all sound and fury, signifying nothing?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Yes it is Shakespeare...
Only its Edwards that is doing it!!!
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. So how about you post what he said then?
Instead of spinning and spinning until we all get sick watching how fast you're going.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:14 PM
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42. You're repeating the DLC talking points - Wow are you spoonfed
Goddess of peace? The woman who couldn't stop supporting the war til she saw the '06 midterm results? the one who is helping push to attack iran in an effort 'to reposition herself for the general election?"

Good lord. Has it really come to this?
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:16 PM
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43. notice the lack of any substance to dispute what he said
just a personality-based 'rebuttal'
classic Carville B.S.
Kiss substantive progressive politcs good-bye if she's nominated.
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:02 PM
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49. The Empresses' New Cloths
Some one dares point out the fact that
the would be Empress is naked when the
heat is on?
The Horror!1!
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:18 PM
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53. I did not see him go personal. he kept it civil.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:46 AM
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57. yes. I thought he did a bad job. He looked awful
I don't know why he is the front runner...and Biden is so far down the list.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:49 AM
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58. I might want him if I needed a personal injury trial lawyer
but I agree with your assessment of his political tactics.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:59 AM
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59. I hope Edwards wins the nom.
Goddess of Peace?? Wow....how do you figure? I'm kind of resigned to voting for her in the general the way things are stacking up but she is less than Goddess-like on the peace issue, IMO, especially after voting for that boneheaded Iran resolution!
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speakclearly Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:11 AM
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61. Edwards IS desparate
He knows he won't be the VP nominee. His only hope for high office is as the Presidential candidate. To get there, he has to be "the giant killer" and take Hillary out. If he manages to land a few good shots, enough to weaken her going into the primaries, he will probably be the one to benefit the most and could steal the nomination. He has only a short time to accomplish this, so he has to move fast and hit hard.

Unformtunately, where Hillary is weakest is where Edwards also has his weaknesses. Immigration is a tough issue, and while Hillary has no answer, neither does Edwards. Same for Social Security. On other big issues, corporate wealth, taxing the rich, and leaving Iraq, their positions are almost indistinguishable. That means Edwards has very few openings that he can use to attack Hillary. There doesn't appear to be any club big enough to use except some type of personal attack that might be enough to do real damage.

If Hillary does get the nomination, she will have to face the personal attacks anyway. While the Republicans might not attack her directly, she will face many indirect assaults on personal issues. Having Edwards clear the air on those early, may help prepare her, innoculate her, or knock her out if she can't handle it. Getting it out now can actually help the party, regardless of what happens to either Edwards or Hillary.
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FlaxieB Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:13 AM
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62. Edwards exposed Hilllary for what she is, a green candidate
who has never been in a fist fight
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:34 PM
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66. you're kidding, right?
She's an experienced campaigner- at least as experienced as he is. I'm no Hillary fan, but that's a nutty area of attack. She didn't look great last night, but she sure as hell didn't look green, or as if she'd never been in a fist fight.

Let's review:

Hillary has run with Bill for the Statehouse in Arkansas twice, and for the WH twice. Is it the same as being a candidate herself? No, but she definitely got experience doing it. She's run twice for the Senate and won, and she's now running for President.

Edwards has run for the Senate once and VP once, and is currently running for President.

Hillary was the focus for attacks from most of the other candidates last night. Most analysts think that she didn't do a stellar job, but neither did she completely bomb.
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FlaxieB Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. If she is so "experienced" why has she gotten worse in debates.
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 01:41 PM by FlaxieB
It should be the other way around, Right? Or maybe she wasn't that good to begin with. All Smoke & Mirrors! No substance. She's no Bill Clinton that's for sure.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #67
68. I can't answer that. This is the only debate I've seen
but I gather that the other debates weren't a concentrated two hour attack on her. If this happens again, you may have a point. But one night does not a trend make.

And I disagree about substance. I don't like her, but she's no light weight.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:28 AM
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64. "The Goddess of Peace ..."
:rofl:

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:18 PM
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65. K&R
:dem:
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:00 PM
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70. He pointed out the differences between himself and Senator Clinton. So what?
Stop whining.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:37 PM
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72. one toke over the line sweet mtnsnake one toke over the line..
standing downtown at the dlc station, one :smoke: over the line...
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:39 PM
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73. He crossed no lines
And if Hillary cannot compete in the Primaries, she is not ready for the General Election.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:41 PM
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74. I agree Edwards blew it. He deserves to pay a price for it.
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 06:42 PM by calteacherguy
On the other hand, I was very impressed with Obama, and for the first time in these debates quite unimpressed with Clinton. I did not like her dodgy, evasive, equivocal answers.
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