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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:04 AM
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Did she answer a single question directly last night???? Where's the Beef???
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 07:09 AM by Perky
According to AP:

By NEDRA PICKLER
Associated Press Writer


She "continued her strategy of avoiding direct answers to questions: She wouldn't say how she would address Social Security; she declined to pledge whether she would stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, or say whether she supports giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Instead she tried to tried to turn every issue into an argument against President Bush. She said Bush's name 25 times, more than all six of her rivals combined."


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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:09 AM
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1. I read Nedra this morning, too..,.
ALWAYS snarky. For example, "she declined to pledge whether she would stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon" -- they ALL answered the question the same way, saying they pledged to do everything they could. She also did say how she'd address SS, and said she supported federal immigration reform over state measures necessary in its absence.

And it's entirely to be expected that the others would go after her, and that she'd go after Republicans.

(I can not STAND Nedra Pickler.)
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:32 AM
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5. Yes and no
It is true that nobody "took a pledge", it was a stupid question to start with. But they elaborated better as to what "doing all I can" actually means, as opposed to Clinton's snarky insistence in repeating the same answer, word by word, three times. In fairness, Russert was obnoxious with his insistence to get a yes/no answer. Biden had the best answer to this question, by far. He made an excellent argument, and scored points against Clinton, the media, Bush, the repub contenders, etc. when he spelled out that that the whole Iran issue is to a large extent nothing ut scare tactics and that the real related problem is actually Pakistan. It was one of the very few times he was allowed to speak (the time distribution was atrocious), and he made the most of it.
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insanad Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:10 AM
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12. Glaring Mistakes
I said MAYBE, and that's my final answer!!!
I think I have a good picture of what Bill Clinton faces daily when he's being a typical naughty boy. Hilary's face was absolutely reflective of her bristling anger and resentful bitterness as she glared at Obama with daggers that would pierce through a steel and concrete bomb shelter. Imagine if she wins the nomination and then faces the onslaught of the Republicans and other people who don't want her there. We'll have that face, that edgy bitch tone, that harsh rebuke and glaring resentment facing us every day on the news. It's hard enough to have the shit flinging chimpanzee of George Bush gesticulating and goofing daily but at least he's easy to dismiss as the buffoon he is. Having Hilary nag and rant and chide would make me cancel my cable.

When I watch these debates I'm in awe of the stamina and grace that any of these candidates must muster. The questions can set one up for a disaster and a cool head, thoughtful but quick and focused answer must be given. Every nuance of a facial gesture or tick is noted and analyzed for signs of honesty or emotional reaction. Then there's the time limits that force the one answering to give in essence, a committed yes or no, even if there's qualifiers.

From a debate standpoint, from a perspective of who can take charge even when they're not in charge, from a measure of one's grace and quick decisiveness, a sense of humor, an ability to stay on message and turn trick questions in their favor BARACK ROCKS!!!! I loved his response to the UFO thing, his response to the Social Security mess, his Halloween response, and the absolute dignified and intelligent demeanor he exudes when he's on stage. God I hope he can win. Not because I'm caught up in his electrifying charisma, but because his ideas, his leadership, his ability to reflect strength and diplomatic reason are all the kinds of things our nation needs to help us heal from the years of George Bush and his disastrous presidency. If anyone can take this bag of broken glass that is our nations economy, military, and reputation and make a virtual stained glass window to illuminate the goodness that is inherent in America, then I believe Barack Obama can.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:26 AM
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16. sexist much
edgy bitch tone
nag

you sound like a right wing journalist
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:25 AM
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15. I can't stand Pickler either
She's underqualified to be a journalist and overqualified to be a gossip columnist. Her answer is to try to be both in the hopes that her 'average' score hit 'just right'.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:09 AM
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2. Did any of them?????
Of course not. Edwards squirmed his weasel words into accusations of bribery, Obama twisted his rhetoric into a claim she's a liar - and the MSM cries that she should've stooped to their level becuase it would've made better TV?
Fuck the MSM for wanting a scripted debate. Good on Clinton for ignoring the puppoes yapping at her heels.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:25 AM
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4. But she proved Edwards right ! She validated their accusations by
giving two different answers to the drivers license question in less than five minutes and she couldn't dig her way out. It was obvious and she definitely got caught by Russert in giving different answers on Social Security to private persons as opposed to her public statements.And she contradicted her statements to Russert no less.And he named his sources! She didn't have to be called a "liar" She did it to herself.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:30 AM
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18. Biden did.
Straight talk. That's what I like about him.
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FlaxieB Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:21 AM
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3. Nope continued to try to talk out of both sides of her mouth
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 07:21 AM by FlaxieB
It was priceless. She fucked up badly.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:59 AM
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10. Do not go by your eyes, ears, and brains .... The word is out she won
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:33 AM
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6. It was *almost* like a bunch of career politicians were on that stage.
SHOCKING!
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:37 AM
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8. Social Security
That's the question that bugged me the most with Hillary. She would not say what she thinks should be done other than "fiscal responsibility." But in terms of raising the cap, or cutting benefits, or any other solution, she said she'd have to form a bi-partisan commission before making any decision.

Give me a break!!! The lady has been in DC for 15 years. Are you telling me she doesn't have a clue what should be done about SS??? She just doesn't want to commit to any single position for fear of alienating voters. I don't trust her at all because of that.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:22 AM
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14. She is playing a classic front runners strategy and...
...it's classic for a reason; it has advantages. Every time a candidate gives a hard and fast sharply defined answer to a policy question they roll the dice on how that answer will effect both current supporters and current non supporters. If they like their status quo standing there is a temptation to punt rather than gamble. Someone trailing in the race is usually more likely to take that gamble and get specific to stand out in the crowd, to energize an element of the their constituency to fight harder to make up lost ground, and to attack the front runner for not standing for anything.

For the sake of disclosure; I have always hated that front runner strategy because it is a disservice to Democracy. But like attack ads which I also hate, I know that it is used because it often is effective.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:51 AM
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21. Excellent Point
Very well put. She's ahead in the polls so she tries to stay away from anything that might be seen as a negative. And she hopes that no one notices that she hasn't actually said anything.

Very sad commentary on politics.

I actually like the 2nd and 3rd tier guys because they have some life in them, and take a stand.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:29 AM
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17. She said there is no SS crisis and she is right
Bill Clinton solved the SS "crisis" of the 90's, another right wing bullshit attempt, by creating a surplus. With the surplus, talk of a SS crisis disappeared and was replaced with talk about a lockbox for the surplus which would be used to pay down the debt, which would free up future moneys to be used for SS, thereby extending it's solvency.

Instead of going with a plan that has proven itself in the past (budget surpluses), the Hillary Haters want to buy into and repeat republican talking points.

Hillary will not be repeating republican talking points. As usual, DUers will
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:33 AM
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7. Well, Bush is the president. And Bush has screwed up many, many things. It's okay to say that.
What did she do that was inaccurate?

She won't say how she will address Social Security because you would probably kill her for that too.

Jeez, the only Democratic candidate you don't like is her. You would pout and whine if she came up with the cure for cancer tomorrow.

If you keep whining and bitching about how every Democratic candidate isn't perfect in every little way, we are going to elect another Republican. Which is what happened last time.

I swear, I wish I could afford to move to Canada.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:43 AM
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9. Actually, she did directly answer the driver's license question
She is for it. She is also against it.

Clear as mud.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:19 AM
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13. it's time to manufacture flip-flops with printed logo "HRC - not the 44"
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:32 AM
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20. Just like the repukes did
nice to see where you get your ideas from
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:31 AM
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19. She said that she wants Comprehensive Immigration Reform at the Federal level
and that Spitzer's proposal is a reasonable response to * failure on immigration. She said it's not something the US should do as a federal policy, but only something to do in response to *'s failure on immigration
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:11 AM
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11. Well she did answer once answer truthfully, though I'm sure it was an accident
Just a moment after declaring herself the peace candidate, she flat out stated that she would be keeping troops in Iraq to guard embassies and bases, train Iraqi troops, and to carry out missions against Al Quaeda. In other words, she'll keep the war going.

I'm sure that was a slip up on her part, but the truth was refreshing none the less, and it simply confirms why I won't vote for her.
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FlaxieB Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:06 PM
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22. Hillary thinks that she has already won the Dem nod.
How sad.
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