Should the McClurkin issue been brought up in last nights debate?

[Clintonista2]

Poll question: Should the McClurkin issue been brought up in last nights debate?

[msongs]

1. it would certainly be more valid to discuss than UFOs nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

15. Bingo. n/t

[mikelgb]

2. dosn't matter to me really

but the question doesn't shine light on whether it actually was asked?

(I missed parts of it)

[sandnsea]

3. Should Hillary's SC co-chairs?

who voted for gay marriage bans in the SC Constitution?

[Forkboy]

5. Both are fair game, and better than UFO questions.

[sandnsea]

6. And yet

I've posted this about ten times now and those who are livid about Mckookle haven't said a word about these two. And people wonder why I doubt the sincerity of those attacking Obama.

I agree with you that there were a host of questions that would have been better than that UFO question, it was totally out of line. Dennis did great last nights and there were points that I thought I ought to just say fuck it and put up a Kucinich sign.

[FredScuttle]

7. Probably because a lot of us up in arms about McClosetCase aren't Hillary supporters

and screaming "But, but....Hillary's SC co-chairs are bigots too!" doesn't really explain or justify Obama's huge fuck-up.

[sandnsea]

8. Shouldn't matter who you support

Appointing people as your state campaign chairs who actually voted for a gay marriage amendment ought to be a bigger deal than a gay gospel singer.

[FredScuttle]

11. OK

keep your head in that sandbox and obsessing over Hillary while the rest of us wait for an explanation and an apology from Obama for his brazen insult to the LGBT community and Democrats everywhere who value equal rights.

[sandnsea]

16. What about Hillary's brazen insult

The fact that you'll ignore one and pound the hell out of the other proves that this isn't about any insult at all and is just pure politics.

Yes, I know other candidate supporters have chosen to use this opportunity to pile on Obama too, I've seen the same group do it before. I've chosen not to pick that particular battle at this point in time.

[FredScuttle]

19. Does Obama support gay marriage?

well?

[sandnsea]

21. Did he appoint people who put a gay marriage ban in a constitution?

No.

[FredScuttle]

22. If it's not clear already, I don't give a fuck about Hillary

I'm not voting for her in the primaries.

The fact that you can't even be bothered to explain why Obama spit in the face of the LGBT community and all Democrats who value civil rights speaks volumes to me about how "different" Obama is. More of the same, looks like to me.

[sandnsea]

23. And you don't give a fuck about LGBT rights either

if you're willing to ignore Hillary spitting in the fact of the LGBT community by appointing State Campaign Chairs who voted to put discrimination of gays in the state constitution.

Buncha fucking opportunistic hypocrites like I said all along.

[incapsulated]

24. Do her SC State Chairs get up on stage

At Hillary Campaign Events and denounce gay marriage?

That is the difference you don't seem to get.

I don't care if they are personally in favor of eating kittens, the problem is having them up on stage at a campaign event for Clinton telling everyone how great they taste with ketchup.

Because allowing this public endorsement gives the impression that Hillary agrees with it. And wants everyone to know.

[sandnsea]

26. They are running her state campaign

What the hell do you think they're doing? Do you think they voted to ban gay marriage and are saying something different in public. Sheesh.

[incapsulated]

30. Sheesh, youself, you don't WANT to get it

I can have all sorts of people working for me, you wouldn't know who most of them are or what they believe in unless I PUT THEM ONSTAGE AT MY CAMPAIGN EVENT TO TALK ABOUT THEIR STANCE ON GAY ISSUES.

Then it makes a big difference because it gives the appearance that I AGREE with them.

I doubt very much Hillary will have them speaking at her events against gay marriage and how it should be in the constitution unless she suddenly decided that would be a good thing for her campaign. I think it would be a very stupid thing.

[sandnsea]

35. State Campaign Chairs GO ON STAGE

All the goddamn time. You are ignoring the reality because you know it's much much worse than a one time event with a gay singer.

[incapsulated]

43. DO THEY SPEAK ABOUT THEIR OWN VOTE ON THIS ISSUE?

No? Then no point.

Frankly, you will find democrats ALL OVER THE SOUTH who are like this. Just like you will find PLENTY of Gospel singers who are bigoted against gays.

However, unless you absolutely NEED them, you really shouldn't get someone who is notoriously anti-gay, on a "war" against homosexuality, singing for Bush on and on, at your event yapping about being saved from the horror of being gay by God.

No one is innocent. I certainly never said they were. But Obama got hit with this because he has been courting people who already have this prejudice and instead of challenging them on it seems to be pandering to it.

Frankly, you should just stop carrying on about it because as I said downthread, the fact that it wasn't brought up in the debates means it isn't a talking point to the MSM.

[sandnsea]

48. They are heading a STATE CAMPAIGN

Their presence every single day speaks to the issue. Obama got hit with it because nobody thought to make gay rights an issue in South Carolina.

[FredScuttle]

25. 4 responses and not a single word in Obama's defense

you are well-conditioned, I'll give you that.

I was, at one point, willing to give Obama a serious look. But this debacle, coupled with his Social Security "crisis" bullshit, has completely turned me off.

[sandnsea]

27. I'm exposing the hypocrisy, Obama doesn't need defending n/t

[FredScuttle]

34. Obama needs a lot of defending

and he's getting a piss-poor job of it from his supporters on this board that would rather ignore what he did and say "Hillary's a bigot too!!!"

Pathetic.

[sandnsea]

36. I'm saying you're all a bunch of opportunistic hypocrites

That's what I'm saying. Let's be clear.

[FredScuttle]

42. Yup, there's no better defense of a horrific slight against a large group of Democrats

than insulting said group of Democrats when they object.

Obama is winning friends by the bushel this week. :sarcasm:

[sandnsea]

46. Voting for a gay marriage ban is a horrific slight

If anybody were being honest about this.

[FredScuttle]

55. TRANSLATION: "My guy supports bigots, but so does Hillary"

The tone-deafness and obstinacy of Obama supporters on this board (some, not all) is amazing.

See if you can respond without mentioning the H-word. I bet you can't.

[Clintonista2]

28. His church does

He belongs to a denomination that believes in full marriage rights for gay couples. Obama isn't even opposing gay marriage on religious grounds, he's actually opposing it on POLITICAL GROUNDS!

[sandnsea]

29. Hillary appointed people who put a gay marriage ban in a constitution

That's all that needs to be said about the hypocrisy about Obama and LGBT rights.

[jonnyblitz]

53. why do you want to keep changing the subject to Hillary?

this is a thread about OBAMA. You are like a little fucking kid trying to point the finger at somebody else. "SHE DID IT, TOO MOMMY!!" It's a very fucking IDIOTIC tactic and just proves that there is NO EXCUSE for what your candidate did and you KNOW IT so you have to go pointing fingers at everybody else.

You hOBAMAphobes are NASTY!!! :puke:

[terrya]

4. Yes.

As part of a question for all about whether it is politically desirable to cater to people who engage in bigotry.

[FredScuttle]

9. Yes and it should have been asked as follows

"Senator Obama....you have christened your campaign one of 'hope' and you've talked at length about inclusiveness. How do you reconcile that with your choice of a performer at a gospel concert last weekend sponsored by your campaign who has made controversial statements in the past condemning homosexuality and proclaimed, from the stage, that 'God delivered' him from homosexuality?"

[IndianaJones]

10. no...more time devoted to UFO's. nt.

[cuke]

12. Of course not

Obama's actions reflect badly on the party, No need to bring it up at a debate. The only thing that would do is to pressure dems to pick a side. Not good for any of us

[FredScuttle]

14. "pick a side"?

You mean those of us against bigotry vs. those who support bigotry?

Doesn't seem like that tough a decision to me.

[cuke]

17. You are more optimistic than a cynic like me

I see it more as a contest to see which group of bigots to pander to, the racists or the homophobes (or possibly both). I think it would be bad for both minorities and LGBT's.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. No. It would take half an hour to even set up the question

[incapsulated]

18. Nah, not at all.

"Senator Obama, you recently had a Gospel Tour as part of your campaign to reach out to faith based voters. One of the performers was criticized for his outspoken views against homosexuality and there were demands to have him removed. Given your support for gay rights, why did you insist on allowing him to preform and repeat his view that "God saved him from homosexuality"?

The fact that they didn't ask this question says to me that this really isn't an issue to the MSM because it's an easy one to start a little podium skirmish over.

I know it is important to the LGBT community but it doesn't seem to have made the MSM list of "Obama Problems".

[closeupready]

20. Oh, I see - it wasn't asked and the poll is asking, should it have been asked of Obama?

Well, sure, why not? :shrug:

[CyberPieHole]

31. Yes.

But apparently people don't care much about GLBT issues. They prefer to sweep it under the rug. I would have liked to have heard a question on the subject, even if it was not about McClurkin and Obama, specifically. Something along the lines of: "Do you believe homosexuals can pray away the gay?"

[William769]

32. YES!

And it should be brought up everyday, until the person who started this debacle gets it.

[FlaxieB]

33. Issue was never important to begin with. This was all DU manufactured.

Let's move on. Last night created more serious issues. I know that many of you want to deflect but no one's having it. You had your "few days of Obama bash" and it felt good, didn't it? Time to move into real world matters, not a musician's person oninion. Besides, if it mattered and the media cared, they would have made it an issue in the news and a question at last night's debate. Hell, the majority of the candidates don't even know who McClurkin is. So what's the point? You've already dragged it through the mud, get over it. Gay Rights as a whole is an issue, not some gospel concert with Donnie McClurkin. The reality is that your girl fucked up and fucked up bad. Deal with it.

You sound like Halle Berry in the movie "Monster's Ball": "Make Me Feel Good". Pathetic.

[terrya]

38. It was mentioned in the news media.

It most certainly was not "DU manufactured"

[Clintonista2]

39. I think he means being gay is "DU manufactured"

There are no gay people in America. :sarcasm:

[terrya]

44. My, there were quite a few DU Manufactured gay people at the Pride Parade here in June.

Who knew??

[FredScuttle]

40. Ah, Flaxie.....you never disappoint

whether it's your run-on sentences or your curious spelling choices, you always stick by your man. Breathtaking.

By the way, in regards to the media not making an issue of Rev. McClosetCase? You may want to pick up this week's Newsweek magazine and turn to the "Politics" section in the front....look for the article entitled "The Gospel According to Obama"

http://www.newsweek.com/id/62323

[FlaxieB]

45. It's only a news story. No real substance.

By the way, If you are having a hard time voicing your opinion(s) clearly without relying on a "link" to do your talking, You need to write more. It's not about quantity (1000+ posts) it's about having something to say. When you try and attack someone personally, it says a lot about your character and ethics. That dog don't hunt in these woods. Remember that.

[FlaxieB]

47. Look Folks. YOUR GIRL F*%^K UP LAST NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

Donnie McClurkin will not save you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clintonista2]

50. Will he save "the gays"?

[Catherine Vincent]

54. Take a pill.

:eyes:

[FredScuttle]

49. I merely included the link so you could read the full-length article

It basically rehases the story as we all know it, so I didn't feel the need to quote from it.

I agree with you that personal attacks reveal a lot about someone's character and ethics. For example, Senator Obama attacking every LGBT person and anyone who supports equal rights for all by hiring a homophobe (after numerous objections had been raised to him) to headline his fundraiser. That said a lot to me about his character and ethics. Namely, he's willing to sell both down the river to pick up a few crucial votes in South Carolina. And, come to find out, he can't even do that (He dropped 11 points in the latest SC poll).

I don't use my post count total as a cudgel or think I'm any better than anyone else on this board because of my post count. But I will say that I think I know the "woods" around here a little better than you.

[FlaxieB]

52. We have a difference of opinion about the issue that will not be resolved

As stated by many before. Gay rights is a national issue and defaming Donnie McClurkin is not the answer to your ills. A symptom but not the cure. It's bigger than him and yes it is being addressed nationally at the highest level Every politician on that stage last night understands that and will ensure it is addressed.

Politics is a game and I bet if you research each candidate you will find instances similar to Obama's position. He is not a gay basher. His view is no different that Hillary ,Edwards or Richardson. Does having a concert fundraiser make him any different than any of the others and their beliefs? Personal views aside, a Prez has to do what right for the country nationally for all groups. I feel that as Prez, Obama will do the right thing.

[NMMNG]

41. Maybe in your own mind

But DU didn't hire 5 open homophobes to do a gospel concert to raise money and win bigot votes for Obama. DU didn't have one of them do a 30-minute tirade against gay people on stage. DU didn't throw LGBT people under the bus for the sake of some cash and some votes. Obama did.

[LSK]

37. but then they couldnt have asked about UFOs

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[sampsonblk]

51. No. What purpose would that serve?

Its over.

[FredScuttle]

56. What.....Obama's credibility?

I agree....it is over

[sampsonblk]

58. No, the controversy.

Obama isn't going to win. We all knew that. If he were on the way to the nominataion, maybe this story would have had legs. This story is over.

[LWolf]

57. It is certainly carries more import than the ufo question. n/t

[Sandaasu]

59. Yes, but I didn't expect it to be.

When someone offends the LGBT community, it's generally considered to be a relatively unimportant thing, unfortunately. Maybe if it snowballs up some more, they'll get asked about it later.