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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:50 PM
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AP Interview: Obama criticizes Clinton
AP Interview: Obama criticizes Clinton

By AMY LORENTZEN
Associated Press Writer

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- Democrat Barack Obama said Wednesday that rival Hillary Rodham Clinton's less-than-straightforward answers in a Democratic debate raise questions about her ability to assume the presidency.

"This may be smart politics by Washington's standards, but it's not what America needs right now," the first-term Illinois senator told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from Chicago. "Turning the page means offering the American people a clear sense of your principles and where you'd lead."

Obama complained that during Tuesday night's debate Clinton didn't provide clear answers on a number of occasions.

"After the most secretive administration in memory, an administration that consistently misled the American people, we need a president who is going to be open and forthright," Obama said. "I think last night's debate really exposed this fault line. Senator Clinton left us wondering where she stood on every single hard question from Iran to Social Security to drivers' licenses for undocumented workers."

Obama said he was especially concerned by Clinton's response when asked if she would release her papers from her years as first lady.

"Her big answer on whether she would release the papers from her White House years was particularly troubling because she is running on her record as first lady as much as on her record as a senator," he said. "How can people fully judge that record if the documents from those years remain locked away?"

more...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_CLINTON?SITE=CONGRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:52 PM
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1. Not releasing the records bothers me, too. And she gave a really lame answer.
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 06:52 PM by calteacherguy
Some BS to the effect of "the President doesn't control the schedule of the National Archives."

:puke:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:52 PM
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2. He's given up on the VP spot, obviously.
Too bad, with 8 years VP experience, he might've made a good President.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:54 PM
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23. By that standard Hillary is not a good candidate.
He would never accept it and she would probably never offer it.

FIrst of I can't think of an instance where the nominee picked the runner up....THer is typically too much back and forth criticims that the press would have a field day.


But more importantly.....nominees pick VP on what they can do for them electorally


THirdly Obama... is simply too charismatic to play second fiddle. He would take a pass and Hillary would not offer it in the first place.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:53 PM
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3. Bill has it locked up until 2012
would that be Dec. 31, 2012?

These people see the U.S. government as their personal plaything. Cheer away, Hillbots.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:57 PM
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6. Hillbots
That's fucking rude...

Where do we go from here?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:10 PM
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9. Anyone who rips Bush for running a government of the few and defends this aspect of the Clintons
who are playing Republican-style power games with public information, is not thinking clearly.

Where do we go from here if this is our standard-bearer? Good question.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:11 PM
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11. Calling People Bots Is Over The Top
Want to play a game of snaps with me I'm right here...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:18 PM
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17. Ooooh, I'm right here
:eyes:

Back to the issue at hand, are you comfortable with rigged politics, or people who attempt to rig the system by running on a record that is least partially if not totally obscured by insider tactics? If so, how is our government any different than Wall Street, the corporate world or any other pure power game that doesn't "suffer" from the mediating variable that is supposed to be our vote?

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:26 PM
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19. Clinton ran a much more open government than Bush
there is no comparison. These records are only of a purile interest at this time to the media. Let it go.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:30 PM
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21. Prurient is probably the word you're looking for
puerile means "childish."

Clinton's post-presidency and the use of power to re-secure the presidency for his wife is what we're talking about here. In that respect, he has already outdone his predecessor in terms of secrecy.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:34 PM
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22. thanks yes, so is that the concern?
That 7 years out of office he is orchestrating or re-securing the Presidency, are you trying this argument out for the first time?

:rofl:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:30 PM
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I'm Watching The Cavs And The Mavs
Bots have advanced to the level of watching the NBA...
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:13 PM
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14. Bill Richardson, I take it
Because there is no other Bill running.

Nice marginalzing of fellow Dems with the "Hillbots."
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:55 PM
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4. As I recall she said it was not up to her.
Maybe Obama needs someone to repeat her response to him.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:56 PM
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5. Or maybe she needs to stop tapdancing.
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 06:58 PM by calteacherguy
The question was would she release the records before 2012.

She lost my support with that answer, and her answers to the following questions put her in an even worse light. It's too bad Clark may not have as good a chance to be on the ticket, but I'm not going to base my support on that hope.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:06 PM
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7. You are just an apologist
Bill Clinton is using his influence to control the release of information, pure and simple:

==Nearly three years after the Clinton Library opened—and more than 21 months after its trove of records became subject to the Freedom of Information Act—barely one half of 1 percent of the 78 million pages of documents and 20 million e-mail messages at the federally funded facility are public, according to the National Archives. The lack of access is emerging as an issue in Hillary's presidential campaign: she cites her years of experience as First Lady as one of her prime qualifications to be president. Like other Democratic candidates, she has decried the "stunning record of secrecy" of the Bush administration; her campaign Web site vows to bring a "return to transparency" to government. But Clinton's appointment calendar as First Lady, her notes at strategy meetings, what advice she gave her husband and his advisers, what policy memos she wrote, even some key papers from her health-care task force—all of this, and much more documenting her years as First Lady, remains locked away, most likely through the entire campaign season. With nearly 300 FOIA requests pending for Clinton documents, and only six archivists at the library to process them, Archives spokeswoman Susan Cooper says it is "really hard to predict" if any of this material will be released before the election.

Bill Clinton has tried to cast blame for the backlog on the Bush White House. "Look, I'm pro-disclosure," Clinton said in a testy exchange with reporters during a recent press conference. "I want to open my presidential records more rapidly than the law requires and the current administration has slowed down the opening of my own records." But White House spokesman Scott Stanzel tells NEWSWEEK the Bush White House has not blocked the release of any Clinton-era records, nor is it reviewing any. (Under the 1978 Presidential Records Act, the former president and the current president get to review White House records before they are disclosed. Either one can veto a release.) Ben Yarrow, a spokesman for Bill Clinton, says the former president was referring "in general" to a controversial 2001 Bush executive order—recently overturned, in part, by a federal judge—that authorized more extensive layers of review from both current and former presidents before papers are released. (Hillary's campaign didn't respond to requests for comment.)

But documents NEWSWEEK obtained under a FOIA request (made to the Archives in Washington, not the Clinton library) suggest that, while publicly saying he wants to ease restrictions on his records, Clinton has given the Archives private instructions to tightly control the disclosure of chunks of his archive. Among the document categories Clinton asked the Archives to "consider for withholding" in a November 2002 letter: "confidential communications" involving foreign-policy issues, "sensitive policy, personal or political" matters and "legal issues and advice" including all matters involving investigations by Congress, the Justice Department and independent counsels (a category that would cover, among other matters, Whitewater, Monica Lewinsky and the pardons of Marc Rich and others). Another restriction: "communications directly between the President and First Lady, and their families, unless routine in nature."

Archives officials say Clinton is within his legal rights. But other Archives records NEWSWEEK reviewed show Clinton's directives, while similar, also go beyond restrictions placed by predecessors Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, neither of whom put any controls over the papers of their wives. This undoubtedly reflects the larger policy role Hillary played in her husband's administration. Still, some analysts are surprised at the broad range of documents Clinton asked the Archives to withhold. "It does sound pretty expansive. You start to wonder what's not included," says Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy. Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group suing the Clinton library for failing to respond to its FOIA requests, is struck by the former president's restriction on records relating to his and his wife's families. That, he says, blocks disclosure of records relating to Roger Clinton, the former president's half brother, and Hillary Clinton's two brothers, Tony and Hugh Rodham, both of whom were involved in controversial business deals and efforts to secure last-minute pardons later investigated by Congress. But John Carlin, a former Archives chief (and a Clinton appointee) who got the 2002 letter from Clinton, didn't blame the former president. "Given all that they went through in office," he says, the restrictions Clinton placed were "not surprising." Who knows, he asked, how the papers might be used by political foes? That's a question the Clintons don't want answered—at least not before next November.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/57351
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:14 PM
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15. Yes, because Bill Clinton runs the world
Stretching a bit there.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:14 PM
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16. and that makes you an over zealous muckraker perhaps
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 07:15 PM by Jim4Wes
The juicy stuff the media wants is all the investigation scandal bullshit that orchestrated by the RW witchhunt. No matter the high sounding reasons its to revisit a smear campaign/witchhunt. I think Bill C is right to protect those records for the time being.

"The men with the muck-rakes are often indispensable to the well-being of society, but only if they know when to stop raking the muck." T. Roosevelt, quoted in "Cincinnati Enquirer," April 15, 1906.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:11 AM
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28. indeed! secret is as secret does ... obama's right - she's just bush.cheney lite!
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:07 PM
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8. Really Obama? You were not forthcoming about your gospel night with the MC
from hell.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:10 PM
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10. Will Obama give up his e-mails to his wife?
Or private letters to her? They may have some relevance when it comes to his leading and his choices while in the senate. Why isn't he giving up his personal e-mails?

She has given up information on her work as First Lady, but they are asking for personal e-mails. Why should she? Is any other candidate giving up their personal e-mails.

And the BS that she is running on her time as First Lady: she has given plenty of information on her role and her functions.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:12 PM
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12. Absurd...is she running for President?
Have they ever had, or claimed to have had, formal public policy roles in the same government?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:12 PM
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13. ummm...HE IS .
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:20 PM
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18. You're impossibly lame if you don't see the difference here
But I'll try to help you anyway. Is Obama running on his experience with the Michelle Obama Administration? Any professional or political endeavor jointly achieved with his wife? At that point you have an argument, which is another way of saying you don't.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:35 PM
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24. Apparently you are too tied to your candidate to see the issue
The issue is that when someone is running all of their private issues are not open to the public. Obama's is not. Edward's is not. Clinton's should not be.

Just because she is running does not mean her PRIVATE e-mails between she and her HUSBAND should be made public.

And stop insulting me. It makes you look like an A**.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:30 PM
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25. First Lady is a public role, spouse is a private role
DUH.

Moreover, private communications between Bill and Hill aren't at issue here. As noted above:

==But Clinton's appointment calendar as First Lady, her notes at strategy meetings, what advice she gave her husband and his advisers, what policy memos she wrote, even some key papers from her health-care task force—all of this, and much more documenting her years as First Lady, remains locked away, most likely through the entire campaign season.==

Try again. Then again, stop making a fool of yourself and don't. Nobody except you is playing an equivalency game between Hillary's records as First Lady and candidate spouse's records as spouses.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 04:46 AM
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26. I assume that when you said Hillbots, you were referring to the...
same supporters that cant see the facts for what they are and always spin everything and I mean everything. Anyone that sees Clinton for who she is and what she is doing, should just ignore those Hillbots because if they have no one to argue with, they have no purpose and will shrivel up and go away. No matter how much fact you point out, they will fight tooth and nail against it. I am guessing they have several siblings because my brothers and I sometimes play these same games just because we want to win the argument. Sometimes we know that we are wrong but we continue to fight passionately about it until we are sick of debating and we just agree to disagree. Now we don't do this with important issues like the future of our country or our children's future, we usually do it with sports or argue statistics. It amazes me how many people here that refuse to ever agree with anything negative that Clinton has done. From their responses, she is an angel that has done no wrong and can do no wrong...its down right scary!

Seriously, ask them to tell you some of the negative things she has done, wrong votes, bad speech's that sounded like Bush, anything, they probably will be silent. Oh wait no they wont, at that point they always defend their candidate with the popular..."show me or the well that person did that too. Its like shit you do when you are 6 and caught at something, well he did this? LOL!

The media has already programmed them, give up and try with people that actually can think without the media or a Clinton fan groups help.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:17 AM
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29. where is that line?
It is simply not true that just because she is first lady--she is in a public role 24/7.

You are suggesting that a spouse should be able to be consulted / give advice / talk to their husbands in private, except Clinton.

Private vs. Public. The spouses are campaigning and deeply involved. Where is the line?

I will not respond to you again, because you are unable to discuss without calling names.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:30 PM
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20. lol nt
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:43 AM
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27. Her supporters are keen on attacking
the messenger. How long before the attacks on Sibel Edmunds start I wonder.

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