Why is Hillary getting a pass on being a Barry Goldwater follower?

[antiimperialist]

I don't know why the past should be excluded from the discussion when it comes to debating our candidates. How much did Hillary Clinton love Barry Goldwater back in her youthful days?
Just like Obama's drug use decades ago could affect his ability to govern, Hillary being a closet Republican could be disastrous for our nation.
I think we have been very irresponsible in ignoring this important fact of her yester years.

[Beaverhausen]

1. .

:popcorn:

[MadBadger]

2. Youd think this would be more important that Obama's drug use.

[aquart]

16. Now there's a desperate plea if I ever heard one.

You be sure to go out onto the campaign trail making speeches about how volunteering to work for a candidate is much worse than partying and snorting.

And THEN ask people to sign up and volunteer.

Let me know when you come to New York. I want to see that performance.

[cali]

34. You're kidding right? She was 14 or 15 when she supported

Goldwater, and actually her degree of civic involvement and caring about politics speaks well of her, not poorly. If you honestly think this is a black mark against her, you're living in a strange little world.

[Hieronymus]

49. Having been born in 1947, Hillary would have been 17 when

Goldwater ran in 1964.

[cali]

59. LOL!

OK, 17, so what? She was a teenager who was actively involved in politics. Good for her.

[niceypoo]

93. Obama-ites are grasping at straws

Just like the Hillary supporters. Two dysfunctional peas in a democratic pod.

[jlake]

61. Wow. What a disconnect from reality.

[quinnox]

3. the answer - she hasn't

This has been brought up many times in the past, but not the recent past. However it was brought up in the primary-pre-season.

[antiimperialist]

7. I haven't heard criticism about it

I can't recall anyone raising doubts about her Republican preferences.

[aquart]

22. We don't doubt she had them.

We all know she has some conservative leanings. See, we already know about Hillary Clinton. But you keep digging, hear?

Because Obama has said his people aren't to do that sort of thing, and it's good to know what his word is worth, right?

[antiimperialist]

4. Obama doesn't use drugs

Does he?

[aquart]

24. NOW? Dear Lord, we hope not!

No, really. He is always lucid. Never looks anything but clear-eyed. So, no. NOT NOW.

It's just something he wrote that he did before.

[oasis]

88. Hillary doesn't support Goldwater.

Does she?

[davidinalameda]

5. you're kidding right?

or is just more Hillary hating?

[jeff30997]

12. Being a canibal...

antiimperialist prefers Hillary ating. :P

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. Why is she getting a pass?

Because this is freaking ancient history!:eyes:

[antiimperialist]

10. You mean like Obama's drug use?

I have to admit you have a very good point.

[skipos]

8. Kucinich gets a pass for being a rabid anti-choicer more often than this.

Whatever. People change.

[pennylane100]

27. What I find suspicious is when he changed.

I do not know the exact date but I believe it was a short time before he ran for president, after holding anti-choice views most of his political life. I do not know if that is a coincidence but I don't know that he has done enough to address it.

[skipos]

36. Yes, he changed right before he ran for President

The thing is, it doesn't seem like he really wants to be President. I don't know if he would do something as calculated as going from anti-choice to choice just to try to get more votes.

[MethuenProgressive]

9. "Hillary being a closet Republican" Barack Obama should publically apologize for this remark.

:rofl:

[aquart]

28. Hope you ain't holding your breath.

[MethuenProgressive]

51. Thanks for not hoping I am holding my breath!

:rofl:

[NYCGirl]

11. She was President of the Young Republicans at Wellesley, too.

:o

Edited for typo

[Smarmie Doofus]

25. That's interesting. Do you have a link? And for how long? nt

[NYCGirl]

31. It doesn't say for exactly how long, but she began in her freshman year:

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/WhoIs/story?id=3963326&page=1

She started in 65 and then supported McCarthy in 68.

Here's much more, including a look at her senior thesis:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/

She grew up as a Goldwater Republican, like her father, in the middle-class Chicago suburb of Park Ridge. By the time she was a freshman at Wellesley, when she was elected president of the College Republicans, her concern with civil rights and the war in Vietnam put her closer to the moderate-liberal wing of the GOP led by Nelson Rockefeller. By her junior year, she had to be talked by her professor into taking an internship with Rep. Gerald R. Ford and the House Republican Caucus. In her senior year, she was campaigning for the anti-war Democrat Eugene McCarthy.

"I sometimes think that I didn't leave the Republican Party," she has written, "as much as it left me."

Elected president of the Wellesley student government, she worked closely with the administration to increase black enrollment, to relax rules on curfews for the Wellesley girls and to give students more freedom in choosing their courses.

[Kucinich4America]

35. "I sometimes think that I didn't leave the Republican Party, as much as it left me"

Hey, I DO have something in common with Hillary Clinton after all. Thanks to DLC sellouts like her, that's exactly how I feel about the Democratic party :evilfrown:

[w4rma]

100. Hillary is no "sell-out". Her agenda *is* the DLC/Barry Goldwater agenda.

She is trying to make the Democratic Party the party of Barry Goldwater since the Republican Party is not.

[Smarmie Doofus]

43. No big whoop. Lot's of people changed from right to left....

... between '65 and '68. Opposition to THE WAR, plus general disaffection with various aspects of American life... largely awakened by THE WAR.

The flirtation with Alinsky indicates she had a sort of 'Road to Damascus' conversion and went a bit over the top in the opposite direction. This also was not uncommon. Especially at that time.

I am embarrassed to defend her. She's a lousy senator and will make for a weak candidate and a weak president. But she should be COMMENDED for her awakening ( to the degree that she actually *awoke*)... not CONDEMNED.

[w4rma]

101. Hillary hasn't changed from right to left. She is trying to move the Democratic Party rightward.(nt)

[MadBadger]

13. I hope there were no HRC supporters here who had a problem with Oprah voting for Republicans then.

[aquart]

29. I hope we don't plan on claiming Ronald Reagan as one of ours.

Just because he was a Democrat for so many years.

[cali]

38. for the love of the rational, what does that have to do with anything

all of this speaks well of Clinton, not badly. She was involved and active in politics as a teenager. Her political views swiftly evolved once she went to college. She was a liberal repub in an age when there was an active liberal repuke wing of the party. By the time she was old enough to vote, she was actively working for McCarthy. That is ALL commedable.

[Skip Intro]

14. I agree. DU has been far to kind and gentle with Hillary this cycle.

[aquart]

17. LOL!

That's a good one!

[mitchtv]

21. I guess I would say:

this is a case of perception

[mitchum]

15. Because weather vanes are just peachy?

[mitchtv]

18. I was raised into a Puke/Goldwater family

I am way older than HRC. and I was young and inexperienced, she must've been twelve, I evolved, so can she. There are some things good about honest conservatism, like living within your means, gov't non interference in private matters, it's been distorted , of course, by the business ,theocrat coalition.

[GreenPartyVoter]

103. My dad was a Goldwater conservative and he says that it's nothing like

what passes for conservatism these days.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

19. If "getting a pass" means being mentioned 10,000 times on DU, then she's getting a pass

[annie1]

20. This wouldn't bother me from any candidate...

if a republican used to be a democrat way back in the day, or a dem a repub way back in the day based on how they grew up in their household, totally wouldn't bother me.

[Smarmie Doofus]

23. I can't stand her. But....

... this is beyond ridiculous. She was in HIGH SCHOOL, ferschrissakes.

Let's keep it real. We have to have a reasonably united party post convention. This level of vituperation is outlandish.


And counterproductive.

As I said: I cannot stand her. But *if* she's nominated I want her to win.

[MadBadger]

26. I think that was the whole point of the OP.

Some want to hammer Obama for his youthful drug use, while Clinton was a Republican during her youth.

[Smarmie Doofus]

30. OK. I tuned in late. nt

[madrchsod]

32. even i really do not care if she was anymore.

i did`t like "goldwater girls" when i was in high school but that was a long time ago. i do`t like her because she`s far to centrist and corporate for my progressive views.

[cali]

33. Just as stupid and petty as the Obama thread

Actually, even more inane. Obama's drug experimentation will be used by the repukes in the general if he's the nom. It won't work, but it damn well will be used. If Clinton's the nom, her high school support of Goldwater will not be something the repukes bring up.

[JohnnyLib2]

40. Good point.

If, that is, anyone is interested in outcomes! :thumbsup:

[Zueda]

37. DLC...Just a neocon with a D instead of R. nt

[cali]

42. you musts be purple from all that koolaid you've been gulping.

She is not a neocon. She doesn't have a platform that remotely conforms with the neocons. She is strongly democratic. Maybe you should join the green party if you actually believe this shit.

[Zueda]

45. Ideologically speaking please tell me the differences in neocon and dlc? nt

[ben_meyers]

39. What was wrong with Goldwater?

If he was around today I could still support him. Better check your history.

[JohnnyLib2]

53. Ha! Things would be more down to earth, for sure.

[mitchum]

63. ben, you should check your history...the radical republican party that we all know...

and love today, BEGAN with Goldwater's 1964 campaign

[ben_meyers]

70. This is probably not the thread to get into it to deep

but I don't have to check my history, I was there. I supported Goldwater over LBJ in '64. I still maintain that if Barry had won that election we wouldn't have spent almost 10 more years in that quagmire in S.E. Asia.

[kimmerspixelated]

41. I couldn't agree more.

Hillary's ties to corporate America are extremely chilling and earns her the "closet republican" title...and if there continues to be mudslinging...this of all things should be first and foremost!!!

[ElizabethDC]

44. Well, she hasn't. But she wasn't even old enough to vote when she supported him.

She was a Republican for her first year or two in college. By her junior year, she was supporting Eugene McCarthy.

[Lucinda]

46. Because, as far as I know, being a Rep isn't an illegal activity.

[ClarkUSA]

50. Speaking of illegal activities, someone needs to ask her if she inhaled when Bill "didn't"

Because I'm sure she did. And so did Bill, who lies as easily as he whored/whores(?) around.

[Lucinda]

57. Are you incapable of staying on topic at all?

Just curious.

[ClarkUSA]

67. Um, the topic was illegal activities... did I hit a tender Hillaryworld nerve?

:smoke:

[Lucinda]

84. No dearie. The topic was Hillary and Goldwater.

You diverted. And as I looked throught your posts, I see that is your usual habit. Thus my question.

[paulk]

98. well, you are accusing a Democratic Presidential candidate

of a crime... with absolutely no factual basis. This is the sort of thing the right wing does.

That should strike a nerve with anyone who calls themselves a Democrat, I would think.

[ClarkUSA]

47. She shouldn't -- if Obama is going under scrutiny for what he did as a teenager

Frankly, it's more relevant.

[maddiejoan]

54. Last time I checked

Being a Goldwater Girl wasn't a felony crime.

[ClarkUSA]

65. So what do you think of Bill and Hillary's felony crime of smoking marijuana?

And please don't tell me she didn't inhale.

[maddiejoan]

69. Here's the thing about that

I don't have any idea. Nor do you.

The fact is that Obama opened up the issue by writing and speaking about it.

I could care less whether Obama did toot.

The point is, that he opened the door for Republicans to use that against him.

You can say it's not fair, and I'll be the first to agree with you.

But they will do it, if he becomes the nominee. (unless it's Rudy --who probably snorted lines off hooker butts while dressed up as a Geisha girl)

[ClarkUSA]

72. I have an idea because Bill talked about it -- so I think Hillary should be asked about it, too.

Because we know they are two-for-one in every way -- except for Bill's whoring around, which is also on the record.

Obama never talked about being a drug dealer BUT Bill Shaheen did. Your inability to admit that charity had NOTHING to do with Shaheen's
remarks makes any discussion between us difficult. It was dirty politics and everyone knows it. And Hillary will suffer for it at the ballot box,
as well she should. The day that voters will tolerate anymore of this kind of character assassin in presidential politics is over.

Watch how a disgusted former Clinton precinct captain has quit the campaign over Hillaryworld's negative campaign tactics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXPnMflGkvI&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/CBmX

And I won't even go into those Clinton regional directors/county coordinators who happened to "coincidentally" email the SAME disgusting
"WARNING: Obama is a dangerous Muslim Manchurian candidate who studied at a madrassa" swift boating message that would have made
the RNC proud and how the campaign didn't fire them until weeks after they knew about it -- not until the shit hit the proverbial fan with
reports on Daily Kos and the AP by a very honest and principled Dodd campaign official.

I am sick of Hillaryworld apologists defending Bill Shaheen's despicable comments, even though I am happy they have backfired.

[maddiejoan]

78. okay

:shrug:

[ClarkUSA]

48. She shouldn't -- if Obama is going under scrutiny for what he did as a teenager

Frankly, it's more relevant.

[suston96]

52. Do you people even have a clue as to who Barry Goldwater was?

[Lucinda]

58. I'm thinking the majority response would be no...

[Smarmie Doofus]

97. I do. What's your point? nt

[terrya]

55. Usually, it's been cases of Democrats who become Republicans.

Why in the fuck is she getting slammed for becoming a Democrat?? Honestly, the stupid things around here. :eyes:

[MasonJar]

56. Do you know how many years ago that was?

[MasonJar]

60. I started out as a dem because of Jack Kennedy; then I worked hard for

Johnson, and was so infuriated when he turned out to be as big a Vietnam war-monger as Goldwater that I changed parties for ten years. It can happen when one is disillusioned.

[suston96]

62. So how does being a Goldwater girl in 1964 compare with being a pothead and coke snorter whenever

...and I repeat, who was Barry Goldwater?

[JohnnyLib2]

64. Hold on, I'm trying to remember what I did 40 + years ago.

Or 30+, for that matter. If the point of the original post is about youthful folly--which I assume it is--so be it.

[hisownpetard]

66. It doesn't count. It was before she started tweezing her eyebrows, and her vision

was impaired.

[libertariandemocrat]

68. I can't stand Hillary, but this is ridiculous

I believe she grew up in a conservative household.

[silverojo]

71. Because she's so "picked on" by the media

:sarcasm:

[forsberg]

73. Well the GOP gave Reagan a pass for being a FDR supporting Dem

jeez, she was what....17?

[Tom Rinaldo]

74. Well lookee here then:

From November 24th:

"Is Hillary a "Goldwater Girl" ?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3752250

Also this from a post on a November 18th Thread here:

"Bottom Line .... I don't trust her

Hillary is for anything that makes Hillary stronger @ the time.
She is whip smart, able to look @ many sides of an issue, and
triangulating to the nth degree.

Past actions are the best indicators of future performance.

She was a "Goldwater Girl" in college & head of campus
young Republicans but now she wants to become the democratic
nominee for President."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3737549



I found a couple of other negative references to that part of Hillary's youth also. All it took was a simple "search" with "Goldwater Girl" for the field, and I only went back to November 1st.

[Evergreen Emerald]

75. more hypocrisy exposed.

can't we all just get along?

[jenmito]

76. Good question. K&R.

:kick:

[forsberg]

77. After all that she's done...she still has to prove herself a Dem

That's the big gripe about her?

Just watch, if Obama wins the nomination we'll hear nothing but Hussein Osama and how he attended a Muslim school in Jakarta and how he's a closet Muslim. Yea, that'll be realy easy for us to fend off. And you think Hillary has baggage! Wait until the Rovians really go to town on Barack.

[Sherman A1]

79. So

Does this maker her a flip flopper (from the age of 17 ) or someone who has gathered more information and learned from it?

:boring:

[desi]

80. A closet republican?

[Catbird]

81. She was from a Republican family

I am about Hillary Clinton's age. When I was a college freshman, I was a member of the Young Republicans. Why? I wanted to be politically involved. My parents were Republicans (of the Rockefeller type); some of relatives actually held political office as Republicans. People that age are often heavily influenced by family considerations. By the time I graduated from college and was able to actually vote (at 21 then), I was a Democrat and have been one ever since.

I have not voted 100% for Democrats but have come chose. A couple of times I have crossed over and voted for a Republican in a South Carolina open primary. Sometimes the Democratic primary is no real contest, so I have tried to influence the Republican choice for a more reasonable candidate. (The Republicans do the same thing.) I can then vote for the Democrat in the general election.

I have some reservations about Clinton. Her college participation in the Young Republicans is not one of them.

[Tom Rinaldo]

82. And she became a Democrat before she could vote

"She became a Democrat in 1968 while attending Wellesley College. She was active in student politics and was elected student government president, whereupon she advocated the admission of more black students and admission of men to women's dorms. She went to Yale Law School where she met Bill Clinton.

They moved to Austin to work for the McGovern campaign in 1972. In 1974, Hillary Rodham moved to Washington, where she worked for the House Judiciary Committee's special counsel John Doar on the impeachment of Richard Nixon. In October, 1975, she returned to Arkansas and married Bill Clinton. He was elected Attorney General in 1976, and she worked on Jimmy Carter's campaign. Afterwards, she joined the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock and in 1977 was appointed to part-time chairman of the Legal Services Corporation."
http://www.politics-now.com/news/hillaryclintonbiography.php

I dunno. Working for the McGovern campaign and later for the special counsel seeking to impeach Nixon doesn't seem like such a strange early career for a Democrat to me.

[NYCGirl]

105. In her freshman year at Wellesley, she was president of the Young Republicans,

and (although she was talked into it by her professor, she served an internship with Gerald Ford and the House GOP Caucus. It wasn't until her senior year she campaigned for McCarthy.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372

She grew up as a Goldwater Republican, like her father, in the middle-class Chicago suburb of Park Ridge. By the time she was a freshman at Wellesley, when she was elected president of the College Republicans, her concern with civil rights and the war in Vietnam put her closer to the moderate-liberal wing of the GOP led by Nelson Rockefeller. By her junior year, she had to be talked by her professor into taking an internship with Rep. Gerald R. Ford and the House Republican Caucus. In her senior year, she was campaigning for the anti-war Democrat Eugene McCarthy.

"I sometimes think that I didn't leave the Republican Party," she has written, "as much as it left me."

Elected president of the Wellesley student government, she worked closely with the administration to increase black enrollment, to relax rules on curfews for the Wellesley girls and to give students more freedom in choosing their courses.

[MNDemNY]

83. tripe

[Capn Sunshine]

85. She was young and impulsive

Actually, she's a daddy's girl and she did it for him.

I don't hold youthful indiscretions against people, since I freely admit I did everything put in front of me. Someone has a pic of me smoking out of an M16. It would be pointless to deny. However some prigs insist they never evere did anything untoward which is pretty silly on the face of it.

< Hilly ca. Goldwater Girl era

[Beacool]

108. Ohhh, she looks so cute in this picture! n/t

[Cha]

86. No offense but I don't give

shit about hillary and her goldwater..why I don't want hillary anywhere near the presidency is because of her warmongering record for the last FIVE YEARS. She ran as a dem and I was too naive at the time to know not all dems are equal. I got into politics to help make sure our Social Security is there when we need it..and now I see hillary and her band of dreary dlcers want to 1984 that, too.

[Hekate]

87. Youthful idealism = being a Manchurian Candidate? Tell us more, why don't you?

Also, pray tell what you were doing at age 17.

Hekate

[amandabeech]

89. Finishing high school.

And in my 7th year of fighting with my parents over politics.

I went to the Dems at age 10. They had voted for Nixon 3 times.

Some of us were less influenced in politics by our parents than others.

[Hekate]

90. My point is: Do you (and the OP) have any room in your thoughts for PERSONAL GROWTH?

Most people are still in flux in their youth and most are idealistic to one degree or another. Most young people are the same religion or sect as their parents, without going terribly deeply into religion (like Romney: he's not a preacher, he follows "the religion of my fathers"). Most start out in their parent's political party.

College is the time and age when youngsters are most likely to explore alternatives to their parents' way of thinking and doing things. They try things out. They are exposed to more new information all at once than they ever have been before or will be again. It's scarcely flip-flopping to change one's mind at that point.

Very few people do as you did: start fighting with your parents over politics even before puberty. Could you have chosen a more explosive way to rebel in your family, or was that it? (Just asking. My daughter chose two different hot-buttons on my behalf.)

But back to politicians -- if we don't allow them to change from one era of their lives to another, how will we ever know if they have grown? How will we ever know if they have the capacity to absorb new information or make changes in course when warranted? Doing that, as I said before, is not flip-flopping.

Hekate

[amandabeech]

91. Yes, I do.

However, the Republicans used to be the party of corporate leaders, and the Democratic party was that of labor and the average person. When Sen. Clinton was growing up, the old form held. She was a Republican and probably very pro-business, even though she does seem to warm to more liberal social themes. I remember Republicans like that. The long-time governor of Michigan, William Milliken was like that. Jacob Javits was another one. They were a lot better than the Nixon crowd, but not Democrats in the era of labor.

Somewhere, somehow, that changed. Now each party is corporate to a lesser or greater degree.

Sen. Clinton parted ways with the Republican party, it would seem, over Vietnam and other social issues. Some might say that the Republican party deserted her when it went with Nixon and the Southern Strategy and has continued with its purge of its liberal wing.

It doesn't seem as though she has ever really parted with the Republican party over corporatism. She slid right into the Rose Law Firm, not known for representing unions or individuals in discrimination suits. She didn't sue corporations like Edwards. She sat on corporate boards, while advocating moderate, good government social positions.

In fact, the Democratic party changed in a way that she could keep those essentially Republican corporate views, while disagreeing with the Republicans on social issues. She is the quintessential New Democrat--the suburban-raised, white collar core of the DLC.

I'm sure you saw the thread today on who gets money from whom. She's comfortable with Wall Street and the insurance companies. She wants them to continue to get money while tinkering around the edges of regulation. She does not threaten them in any way. That's because in some ways, she never stopped really being a Republican.

Me, I'm still an economic democrat. I dallied with DLC-ism in my 30's, but it doesn't fit. I worked for Tom Harkin in '92 and did opposition research against Bill. I didn't think much of Bill's record in Arkansas against corporate abuses. Really, there wasn't much of one. I don't expect one of Hillary, either.

I do hope that there is the capacity for change. However, in my 52 years, I really haven't seen all that much of it. I think that real trauma may change some people, but sometimes it just sets people back to first principles. People often flirt with change, but mostly, they just repackage themselves.

The only person that I've seen actually change is my mother, but I won't go into that story except to say that Barack Obama had a much luckier childhood than the media seems to think that he has. I hope that he knows it.

[Hekate]

95. Interesting. Thanks for something actually thoughtful about Hillary's history...

As you may have gathered, I am fed up to here with the rampant Hillary Hating on this board. She is not my first choice by any means, but not only do I not think she is evil, my mantra is "SCOTUS SCOTUS SCOTUS"... But thanks again for the input about her background as it relates to Old Republican and New Democrat. You have a good point.

I've read a good chunk of Obama's first book. He's thoughtful, bright, driven, and writes quite well. I don't know what-all the MSM is concocting about his childhood, but they do like a melodrama.

I agree with you that he had a lucky childhood, and I'm sure he knows it. It seems to me that young Barry was surrounded by adults who really loved him (his mother and her parents, and even Lolo his Indonesian stepfather) and who bent over backwards to see that he got the best upbringing and education possible. I grew up in Hawaii as the oldest of four kids, and I can tell you that Punahou School was as far from my own family's aspirations as the moon itself. His family was also of modest means, but he was essentially an only child. My Colorado-raised mother, like his Kansas family, valued education very highly; my mother, like his grandparents, looked on Hawaii as a racial paradise and an example to the rest of the country.

As you can tell, I felt considerable resonance with his family when I read Dreams From My Father. In most other ways we couldn't be more different, especially the part about the angst of a young black man growing up in a place with few others like him. Me being female and a haole and all, LOL.

One of the things that intrigues me, as a former kamaaina, is that had Barack Obama chosen to he could have remained in Hawaii and resolved his angst and the riddle of his being by submerging himself in the local culture. A handsome young man like that with his exotic pedigree (wow, Africa itself) could have married anyone there, and his children would be not African American but another of Hawaii's pleasing blends of all races.

But Hawaii is a small place for someone with big ambitions, and if someone is trying to solve the riddle of being an American black male, he won't find much of a rooted community there either. Every single one of the black kids in my high school was a military dependent, a temporary resident.

Well, having said that, Barack Obama is not my first choice either. My dream ticket is Edwards-Obama for 2008, and Obama for president in 2016. I really think Obama is the one who could make the breakthrough, but he's young and he has time to gain more experience.

Hekate

[Smarmie Doofus]

107. Read this post. n/t

[fightindonkey]

92. Goldwater Was Right, Hillary Looks Even Better

[eridani]

94. I don't care about that

I care about that fucking sleaze Mark Penn directing her strategy in the here and now.

[Perry Logan]

96. Because everyone's always so easy on Hillary?

[Clintonista2]

99. WHY OH WHY DO YOU GIVE HILLARY A FREE PASS ON THIS DU?!?!?!?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3810916#3813182

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3783950#3785456

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3752240#3752871

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3752240#3754087

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3753973#3754079

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3749374#3750761

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3737549#3738592

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3729769#3733812

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3695982#3696108

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[Occam Bandage]

106. I think when it comes to Hillary and DU, that's a "free pass."

There are 3,980 hits referencing her and Kyl-Lieberman.

[GreenPartyVoter]

102. My dad was a Goldwater Repub in his youth. Now he is a Green. People change.

[slackmaster]

104. My mom voted for Goldwater in 1964

Are you insulting her?

[SaveElmer]

109. Well lets see Wes Clark supported Ronald Reagan...Jim Webb supported Reagan and voted Allen...

In 2000...

And Hillary was a Goldwater Girl when she was 18...

Guess we should toss all of them...cause you know...it is really the same...

[Thothmes]

110. How important was it that Senator Byrd was a KKK member in his younger days.

[Paulie]

111. Same pass we give John Dean

Even Goldwater changed in the later years.

I can't fault her for this. On other topics I can (free trade, corporate ties, etc), but not this.