David Schuster on Morning Joe just said this:

[babylonsister]

If the final two candidates are Clinton and Huckabee, Huckabee will be the next president.

:wow: :scared:


End of the year predictions were being made, but I missed the rest as my mind blanked over after I heard this.

[Inspired]

1. That is what concerns many of us. n/t

[Bitwit1234]

28. Be encouraged...Huckabee WOULD NEVER EVER WIN

over Hillary Clinton and the republicans know this. They want the weakest candidate going...Obama. There is no way in hell we will win.If the worst thing in this country ever happened, and he should be the candidate. He would fall so fast the republicans would look like they were it.

[Zueda]

29. I think the GOP already has an edge over Hillary...

Have you seen her negatives? And if she runs a national campaign the same as her primary campaign those negatives will only go up.

[stray cat]

30. Sounds like the opionion toward Bill Clinton a few years ago

another guy from Hope who was a natural politician.

[Inspired]

32. I don't think Obama is the weakest candidate going.

I'm not going to caucus for him but I think he'd be a strong candidate against the Republicans. I'm sorry to say this to you because I know you support Hillary but she is the only one who concerns me. I know you probably think the same about Obama and Edwards so we will have to just disagree on this.

[saltpoint]

2. A cold jolt down the spine. Four to eight years of a President Huckabee would

destroy a lot of what I love about my country, including its once-strong international reputation.

[babylonsister]

6. That's exactly where my spine went, O C. Even the thought

makes me skeered!

[saltpoint]

9. Huckabee has to survive his GOP opponents' likely assaults this next

few weeks. That's my fingers-crossed hope for what happens next.

He frightens me. I think he's one of those folks who are intelligent enough in certain ways to slither and slink around the issues but not perceptive and compassionate enough to realize that he's doing damage to others.

And he's a Bible-thumper to boot, which means both the Constitution and our public libraries will be under constant attack.

Did I mention that I hate his guts?

This is a case where I really hope his Republican rivals tear him to bits before we ever have to.

[babylonsister]

15. He frightens me, too, but I also think there's enough ammo to be used

against him, and it will be, to turn people off. I think your analysis of him is spot on! And nothin' for nothin', but he does remind me of Gomer Pyle; I know looks shouldn't matter, but I don't even want to think about having to deal with that.

The rethug field is very slim; I'd welcome level-headed rethugs into the fold. It seems reasonable to me that that's the only recourse they have.


And Happy Holidays! :hi:

[robbedvoter]

17. There's not one GOP candidate who's not scary - as they are all demented

although in slightly different ways. Voters know it, but Diebold is standing by.

[saltpoint]

20. Huckabee would bring out the real loonies -- the rapturists, the

right-wing rodent millionaires, the scorched-earth self-punishing Pukes who still think George W. Bush is a great guy.

Those people really, truly are frightening.

My hope is that Huckabee self-destructs, or barring that, is exposed as a philistine yahoo by his rivals and a (much more) scrutinous press.

At first glance it seems as if we could paint him as an extremist -- something like the treatment Johnson gave to Goldwater -- but times have changed. Dubya would not have been electable in 1960. But now...

So I guess if McCain, Romney, and Giuliani are hesitant to hit him hard because then THEY would alienate the fundie support (whatever of it they haven't lost automatically by being McCain, Romney, and Giuliani), then we'll have to.

The more fundies who show up for the general election, the more down-ballot races we lose.

[robbedvoter]

46. Rue Paul would bring the white supremacists, Il Duce - the Neocons, McCain-

I don't think he'll bring anyone except Joementum.
Fundies are not quite as many as rumored - their numbers are vastly exaggerated to make Diebolding believable.

[cali]

3. He's delusional. If it's Huckabee and Clinton

the money part of the repuke party, stays home or votes for Clinton. If Bloomberg gets in- that repuke section goes to him. And possibly so do an unknown number of dems. That's the way Huckabee might get in.

[babylonsister]

7. I hope he's delusional, and a lot could change, but I found

this 'interesting' coming from Schuster. And frightening.

[cali]

10. I think they're all imbibing too much seasonal cheer.

The dems are all predicting the repub candidate will win, while the puke talking heads are doing the opposite.

[babylonsister]

18. I think they're just trying to fill up another hour with senseless babble,

as they seem to do often. So yes, I'll chalk it up to eggnog!

[KoKo]

36. Who better than Schuster knows the power of the "Powers that Be" though?

Remember he was one of the good ones on the Plame Outing. Schuster might be clueing us in that Huckabee will get the mighty Wurltizer and voting criminality behind him. After all we got an idiot in their twice with stolen elections and media spin. Huckabee has that malevolent charm that the chimperor has...

He knows what the PTB can do to Hillary by slamming Bill and maybe dredging up new stuff that we don't know. Or, that we know but haven't focused on in awhile. :shrug: It's worrysome to me...but let's hope he had too much eggnog. :D

[The Ghost]

4. Ugh

If the Dems cant win this time, then when? Seriously, everything is going against the GOP, so if the Dems cant figure out a way to pull it off this time, they are just doomed for years to come, at least in terms of the White House.

[robbedvoter]

47. Dems gave been winning straight since '92. Just not being counted lately

[soleft]

5. What woman other than a fundamentalist Christian

would vote for Huckabee?

[Uben]

8. Morning Joe?

What did you expect? The truth?

[babylonsister]

11. They were all speculating, but I don't know why Schuster would lie. nt

[robbedvoter]

13. Lie? It's predicting the future, not reporting facts. Fact is any dem beats aby republic.

If it's counted.

[babylonsister]

16. And that's what the segment was about-predictions. nt

[robbedvoter]

19. In which case Schuster might be wrong - but that wouldn't be a lie. A miss

on his future predictions, but not a lie.

[babylonsister]

21. He could definitely be wrong-I'm banking on it!

And saying a little prayer. O8)

[robbedvoter]

12. My prediction: "if the votes aren't counted (again), GOP-er will be president.

Otherwise, any dem beats any GOP-er.
And I mean ANY dem.

Unfortunately, the 2004 theft has been swept under the rug and nothing has been done to prevent the rest.
'dude, where' my vote? "I dunno, but give it to me again"

[rodeodance]

14. I like Dave but i do not agree with him on this one

[saltpoint]

22. babylonsister, I rec'd this post because it boils down a basic question

that hasn't really been addressed much by the national media, namely,

Can a Mike Huckabee win a general election in the United States?

Shuster seemed to be working with only an HClinton - Huckabee axis, but the question is worth asking for any of our candidates. Edwards, Obama, Biden, Richardson, etc.

And then I'm wondering if the Republican machine (which is kind of malfunctioning these days) will LET someone like Huckabee near their nomination.

You trip-switched a huge question with this post.

[babylonsister]

23. Those were Shuster's predictions, but the panel had different ones.

As I said, my mind blanked because of this possibility. But the rethugs are going to have to select someone; is this the best of a bad batch? McCain would make the most sense for them imo, except for being pro-war, which this country has loudly said they're against. It will be interesting to watch how this shakes out.

[saltpoint]

24. Agree on all counts. Bush-hugging McCain might be their best bet, but

you're right about the pro-war problem. This might not be the election for a pro-wr candidate.

I worry that the Puke field is so pathetic that Bloomberg is drawn into the action. The man is flush with dough and has nothing else to do with himself.

[zbdent]

25. Didn't the pundits predict

Dole in a landslide in 96?

And that Bush would win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote (and thus have a bunch of legal maneuvering available to correct the outrageous wound on the nation? Oh, but that option quoted by Rush went down the memory hole ...)

[stray cat]

26. That would be my opinion as well.

[frogcycle]

27. and i fear he is right

Huckabee is going to be "sold" like reagan was. Affable, good communicator, blah, blah blah. They'll throw in a version of the "who would you want to have a beer with?"


They don't want someone with substance; they want a suit. A clown. A foil. Someone they can prop up in the Oval Office and periodically make his mouth move. THE MACHINE is busily at work. There was a time when I thought they were trying to use Freddy for that purpose - and I still think they were - clearly he was/is not all that enthusiastic about running - but now thay have gone to a plan B. Maybe they would not have intentionally selected a Southern Baptist minister for the role, any more than they'd have really wanted a failed businessman drunk, but they don't really care. They don't plan to actually let the clown join the inner circle. He is just the court jester to keep the peons entertained while they dismantle the constitution behind the scenes, and complete the conversion of the USA to a full-up oligarchy, with a board of directors selected from the boards of the Fortune 50 or so.

All they need to do is hypnotize roughly half of the electorate and get it close; then they can steal it. And if the dems run someone with a lot of negatives they can exploit, they won't even need to steal it.

[Cass]

31. That stopped me dead in my tracks when I heard it.

Very scary prediction and I hope he's wrong. If Huckabee gets in, we can kiss it all goodbye.

[TwilightGardener]

33. Schuster really likes Fuck-a-bee, the same way Tweety likes Rudy and McCain--

I remember when the Wayne Dumond story broke, and Schuster said it was not important. He's got a man-crush on Huckabilly.

[Hieronymus]

54. It couldn't be any more obvious that Shuster is a Liberal Democrat.

[mainer]

34. not a matter of liking Huckabee, but a matter of disliking Hillary

I fear Schuster may be correct. I was recently in Kansas, where every Republican I spoke to was absolutely ready to vote for, or even enthusiastic about, Obama. (His mother's from Kansas, after all.) But when I asked them about Hillary, the overwhelming opinion was that they'd either stay home or vote Republican.

[babylonsister]

35. That's how I read it, too. nt

[The Magistrate]

37. A Pretty Good Quinella Bet, Ma'am, At the Moment

Huckabee would stand no chance against Sen. Clinton in the general election, however.

The 'gender gap' produced would be the stuff of electoral legend: even married white women would break sixty-five v. thirty-five to our side....

[JohnLocke]

49. I fear that is not so.

I think there is great underestimation as to the intense, vitriolic hatred that a good portion of America has for the Clintons as a result of a 15-year-long right-wing campaign against both of the Clintons. It is true that any Democrat who we nominate will be attacked. But when multiple polls show that more than half of both the likely voters and the voting-age population would "never vote for Hillary Clinton," it is disturbing. There are good reasons to think that HRC would drag down Democrats across the country - a reverse coattail effect. Nominating her is equivalent to putting a same-sex marriage ballot initiative in every state. If Romney or Giuliani were nominated we almost completely lose the benefits based on evangelical disappointment with the Republican nominee; they will turn out to vote against Hillary Clinton. Our candidate should not be a wedge issue--there is too much of that already. Also, there is some cause to worry that Huckabee will keep Republican women.

"Democrats in the House hemorrhaged in the 1990s. We are now hanging on by a thread. If someone like Hillary Clinton is at the top of the ticket you can write Missouri off." - Missouri Minority Whip Connie Johnson (D)

"I'm not sure it would be fatal in Indiana, but she would be a drag" - Indiana Democratic state Rep. Dave Crooks

[babylonsister]

55. Good post, JohnLocke. I'm no Clinton fan, but there are many

who aren't, and that might not bode well for the future of the Dems should we have to depend on her.

[Carrieyazel]

38. Hillary and Obama would both lose to Huckabee

They'd get hammered on their lack of executive experience: "I've balanced budgets, created jobs, dealt with a legislature; you Senators just vote and debate endlessly" Huckabee will argue.

Huckabee's biggest liability is that he's a preacher. That would seem to make him unelectable, but he's about to pull the wool over everybody's eyes. This guy is the second best politician that Arkansas has ever produced (behind Bill Clinton, of course)

[jenmito]

41. No way. The only reason HILLARY would lose to Huckabee is because she, unlike Obama, is seen as a

phony compared to Huckabee. Obama has had nearly 20 years of experience. He'd beat Huckabee as they're both seen as genuine but Obama's not nuts like Huckabee.

[asdjrocky]

39. Yep-

Edwards is the only one Huck couldn't beat.

[Karmadillo]

40. It's difficult to make predictions, especially about the future.

nt

[Mz Pip]

42. I suppose the American people

are stupid enough to vote for a stupid guy again, but I hope not.

Stupid didn't work too well for us the last time around.


But seriously, I don't think Huckabee will get the nomination. He has no money and winning IA is unlikely to change that. There's a reason he doesn't have any money and that is because the powers that be in the GOP do not support him.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[BenDavid]

43. people are tired of being preached at and too. Just like

fawell and robinson got all upset when bill in 92 used covenant in his acceptance speech. They both said no one should use that term. I said back then when a man and woman marry they form a covenant and if saint reagan and bush the smarter were so righteous in their presidency why did things that should have gone down like rape murder teen pregancies etc rise, and according to those reprobates things would get worse under clinton, but a funny thing happened and bill did not preach at us nor try to convert us, all those written above fell.

HRC will defeat a huckster because for 8 years now all we heard was G-d appointed bush to lead this country and we sure do not need another self righteous person like huckabee to try and lead this country.

Ben David

[Hieronymus]

44. I admire David Shuster a lot. It's been said over and over that

Edwards has the best chance of winning against any Republican.

[elizm]

45. If the final two candidates are Clinton and just about any Republican....

a Republican will be our next question. And yet, so many Democrats are willing to "roll the dice".

[Nedsdag]

48. DUH!

No kidding!

Voters fall for smooths suckers like Huckabee all the time. Hillary isn't smooth. It'll show in the debates.

Her best bet is Bloomberg.

[loveangelc]

50. I agree with Schuster.

[dugggy]

51. Observing Huckabee on the stump, he is even better than big dog

as a politician. This guy is a born politician. He is smooth as butter,
sweet as honey. He scares the bejesus out of me. I don't want a preacher
type to run the country. Oh Gawd Please.

[balantz]

52. I don't have any good feelings about ANY one of the Repugs.

It is frightening to imagine four more years. We mustn't let it happen.

[avrdream]

53. David Schuster has lost his marbles!

He shows sooooo little faith in his fellow Americans.

(And I don't believe the GOP will put Huckabee through.)