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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:39 AM
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A positive GDP thread. What draws you to your candidate? Also say something nice about the others.
All of the Democrats want to end the war in Iraq, provide low cost health insurance to all Americans, stop Global Warming, restore our national standing in the world and finally, would nominate better judges to the Supreme Court than any of the Republicans--they differ on how they plan to do it. For those supporting one candidate over another, tell us why you like your guy or gal, also, say something positive about the other candidates in the race.

I'll start.

I wanted to support a candidate who had enough experience inside the Beltway to know how to get things done but who was not a creature of Washington DC. I wanted to support a candidate who, at the very least, had no responsibility for getting us into the Iraq war.
I wanted to support a candidate who had a record of getting positive things done.
I wanted to support a candidate who understood the danger of global climate change and had a record of putting into action forward thinking plans to bring us to energy independence.
I wanted to support a candidate who'd shown he could stand on the International stage and work with other countries to bring peace and stability.
I wanted to support a candidate who I could count on to work for us, restore our constitutional rights, pursue economic policies that would benefit the majority of the American people and work to restore a strong middle class.
I wanted to support a candidate who the non-partisan swing voter type would like to "have a beer with", a candidate who seemed like a normal person you wouldn't mind sitting next to on a long plane flight.

Al Gore would have been my first choice but since it was pretty clear early on that he was probably not going to run, I went shopping. I wasn't finding anyone who met my conditions until a suggestion from my brother-in-law who lives in New Mexico sent me to check out Bill Richardson's record. I liked most of what I saw.

Foreign policy credentials both as U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. and wide ranging diplomat. Anyone who can sit down and negotiate with anyone from African rebel groups to Kim Jung Il and Saddam Hussein and walk away with what he came for is pretty good in my book.

Inside the Beltway experience as Congressman and Cabinet member but having gone through a dose of reality therapy as Governor of an economically struggling border state.

Was not in Washington when issues like the Iraq War and the Patriot Act were being debated (barely) and the Democrats began their shameless cave-ins.

An excellent record of promoting green energy in New Mexico--including a light rail between Albuquerque and Santa Fe.

A generally progressive record as Governor of a fairly conservative state on both social and economic issues. I disagree with him on guns and the death penalty but that's something I can live with.

Finally, he seems like a human being, definitely not the blow dried, body toned Ken Doll candidate type. Maybe I'm crazy, but a horse riding, gun toting, somewhat chubby western governor should have some appeal among swing voters.

Here's what I have to say about the rest of the field--in order of how much I like them...today--subject to change of course.

Barack Obama: Charismatic and persuasive. Was right on the war from the get go. On the personal side, you have to love his family--kind of like a political Huxtable clan. Lack of executive experience has put me off, and I really thought he'd fade before now but he's running an excellent campaign which speaks well of his executive skills.

John Edwards: He's saying so many things that need to be said. Caught him in a speech on CSPAN and WOW! No more Mr. Nice Guy--Opie has morphed into Teddy Roosevelt and Sinclair Lewis rolled into one. Also, like most people here, I love Elizabeth. Despite his vote on the Iraq war I could support him enthusiastically.

Dennis Kucinich: If you got a medal for being right when everyone else was wrong Dennis Kucinich would have a chestful.

Joe Biden: Mr. Foreign policy--it would be nice to get the adults back in power for a change.

Chris Dodd: See note on Biden. Maybe that's his problem, they sort of cancel each other out, which is really too bad.

Hillary Clinton: I have absolutely no doubt that if nominated Hillary will fight tooth and claw to win the election. No one's going to pull any Ohio or Florida shenanigans on Hillary. I find the notion of having that lovable old reprobate Bill Clinton back in the White House extremely appealing. Bill could go a long way in restoring our national honor overseas and the thought of him picking china as sorting linen with the ladies of the White House hospitality staff is just priceless--come to think of it maybe Hillary should go out and hire a bunch of gay guys for the hospitality stuff.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:40 AM
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1. Edwards's conviction and his concrete plans to change exactly what's wrong with America
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 07:41 AM by AP
The rest seem like decent democrats.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:48 AM
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3. Good, I like Edward's conviction myself.
I'd never much been enthralled with him before, but I found myself cheering him in that speech I mentioned in my opening post. Do you think he has the political skills needed to make his words into reality?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:48 AM
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2. I agree with Michael Moore's reasons for Edwards, tho he doesn't formally endorse him
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:54 AM
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5. Nice article by MM
He's pretty fair in pointing out both the good and bad about the candidates. He does seem to have been stung by Hillary, however.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:51 AM
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4. I want a candidate who walks their talk
One who never voted to fund the Iraq war. One who didn't vote for the Patriot Act. One that has put impeachment on the table. One who has drawn up a health care plan that takes out for-profit insurance companies. That person is Dennis Kucinich.

As to the others:

Bill Richardson-experience in governing a state and in diplomacy are his strong points.

Joe Biden-as you said, strength is in foreign policy

Chris Dodd-experience in working with Congress, which will be vital if anything the next President wants done actually gets put into law

John Edwards-has the people's interests at heart

Barak Obama-inspirational to getting folks involved in government in a positive way

Hillary Clinton-a known figure on the world stage

That being said, to my mind the issues are what are important. I want a candidate who will get us out of Iraq in a timely manner, get rid of the unconstitutional Patriot Act, one that will deal with the illegalities of the current Administration so that no one else will dare do something like it in my lifetime, and one who will make sure no insurance company becomes rich on the backs of working folks who buy health insurance.
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floridablue Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:55 AM
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6. Sorry our votes don't count here in Florida,
But I am going there and voting for Edwards anypath because I think he is the best candidate.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 08:07 AM
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7. Kucinich--undiluted advocacy on just about every single progressive issue
--who is right 95% of the time. (Down from 98% after the Obama thing in Iowa. Also wrong about Faux News and needs to be less of a city boy on gun control)

Obama-knows his constitutional law and has charisma
Clinton--cool, calm and collected is what you want in someone holding that nuclear football
Richardson--amazingly varied resume
Edwards--an on fire fighter who has gotten WAY more substantive in the last four years. Glad he's focusing on economic justice. Other candidates should follow his lead and mention NOLA more often.
Biden--knows his stuff on foreign policy
Dodd--wonderful job blocking the FISA immunity
Gravel--Kucinich, only with a crappy health care plan. (OK, sorry. He has had a distinguished career featuring plenty of calling out of his colleagues when they needed it.)
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 08:32 AM
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8. Nice, I have to admit, I forgot Gravel, thanks. nt
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medicswife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 09:18 AM
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9. Joe Biden, for his passionate commitment to our troops,
his willingness to stick his neck out to harsh criticism in order to make men like my husband as safe as they can be in Iraq. His integrity and ability to keep important promises i.e. doesn't own stocks or bonds because he doesn't want to be beholden to corporate interests, the fact that he takes public transportation from his home in Delaware to DC when the Senate is in Session, his ability to overcome extreme personal hardship and come out stronger and better when so many people would have become bitter and let their lives spiral out of control. In these times though, his foreign policy expertise is paramount to my support for him. As you called him in your original post, he is for sure a grown up. His ability to "see around a corner" and predict what challenges or crises are looming is phenomenal. There have been times when I wonder if the man is psychically gifted. lol. The fact that he is a Constitutional Lawyer and teaches constitutional law part time clinches my decision. Our Constitution has been gutted by Bush/Cheney and I trust Biden to restore it. I also trust that he would be able to carry a wide margin of victory in the General Election, because there is not much of anything that the Right Wing can attack him for. I loved yesterday when he said he can't wait to ask Huckabee and Romney where in the gospel it says that torture is ok. Torturing prisoners makes me sick and practices like that further endanger my husband and other troops' lives.

Now, in alphabetical order:

Hillary Clinton: Although there are certain things that worry me, I think that she is a very passionate woman and much, much warmer than many people give her credit for. She is more experienced than some of the other candidates, that is for certain. She is a good role model for young women, and her drive is extraordinary.

Chris Dodd, again, experience. In the experience field, he comes in second in my opinion behind Biden. He's been a steady and dedicated Public Servant who is also willing to say what needs to be said as opposed to what people want to hear.

John Edwards: John was my choice in 2004. He is tough, dynamic, and I think he really, really cares about the plight of the poor. This is such an admirable quality. He is articulate and charismatic. I think John would do really well in a General Election.

Dennis Kucinich, God Bless Dennis. I like him. I like that he carries a copy of the Constitution in his pocket. I like that he is honest. I like a lot about him.

Barack Obama, has a youthful energy and a passion that has turned a lot of heads. I don't know why he's not my number one, I was having a very, very hard time deciding between him and John Edwards mid summer. He is affable and again, there is an honesty about him that we have been lacking in politics for so long.

Bill Richardson, seems so level headed I can't ever imagine him starting up a crazy war. He does have foreign policy experience, and he has run a government. He is very qualified.

And Mike Gravel, with that amazing filibuster back during Vietnam. What a show of personal courage. I think he is a man of conviction.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:30 PM
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13. Good points
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medicswife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:38 PM
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14. I messed up my alphabetical order! I'm surprised I even managed
to be that coherent when I hadn't even finished my morning coffee.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:34 AM
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10. I agree with your points on Richardson.
As one of the few other supporters, what drew me to him is the fact that he gets things done. He has a fantastic record of getting even controversial legislation through the NM congress. He has helped push through legislation in the US house such as the tax increase on the wealthy in the early 90's. His strong progressive record on civil liberties, social programs, diplomacy, environment, and education match his rhetoric.

His foreign policy is a huge change from the past. In his words, He wants the US to be the conscience of the world instead of it's policeman. He stated that sometimes human rights trumps national security in our foreign policy. He notes that they are not exclusive issues. He supports building up third world countries economically, improving their education and health care. He doesn't support propping up dictators such as Musharraf as per our failed cold war policies that have led to so many crisis. He wants to end the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" policy of the past.

He has one of the most ambitious agendas. I'd rather someone start on the left on issues like global warming and withdrawal from Iraq then have to compromise than start from the middle and compromise.

Richardson has a strong focus on deficit reduction. He'd support a balanced budget amendment with exceptions for economic downturn and national crisis. IMHO, this is one of the most important least discussed issues on the campaign. Our huge debt limits our foreign policy and trade options. It also makes our currency extremely vulnerable to downturns.

Richardson has strong record of supporting human rights both here and abroad. He'd close Guantanamo and secret prisons. He'd end torture and investigate Shrub Inc on their use of these policies and other crimes. He opposed the Patriot Act back in 2003. He's always supported tying human rights to trade issues and cosponsored a bill to do that with China back in the 90's. Several civil libertarians have endorsed him over all other candidates from both parties.

Finally, He's extremely electable. He's overcome his early poor debate performances and given solid performances the last several debates. He's a Midwesterner of Hispanic decent and can put some blue states into play. Like Howard Dean, he's been endorsed by the NRA in the past and would split Repug voters in red over that issue if Multiple Choice Mitt or Ghouliani get the Repug nomination. He polls with very low negatives and low vote against numbers. Despite being 6th or 7th in name recognition at the start of the campaign, he's managed to poll 4th in most polls and has done very well in fund raising. He, Obama, and Hillary are the only candidates that poll at the top of
Democratic nomination in their home states. He won his last election with almost 60% of the vote.



Obama is probably my second choice. He's got a progressive record but manages to put progressive ideas into context that even Repugs can accept. He's the most dynamic speaker and would be able to use his ability to rally folks to our agenda. He's run an excellent campaign and would be a strong campaigner in the general election.

Edwards has really shown a huge change in his policy. Overall, his policy is the second most progressive next to Kucinich.

Clinton has the campaign machine behind her and is best at fending off attacks. She's also got a mostly progressive Senate record.

Biden is the best debater of the bunch. He'd make mincemeat out of any Repug in a debate.

Dodd has a great recent record of supporting privacy and constitutional rights.

Kucinich keeps it real. He manages to say things that others are afraid to say but are true.


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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:00 AM
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11. Dennis is for impeachment. Hillary is the Goddess of Peace
Obama has a great smile

Edwards reminds me of Agent Mulder from the X-Files

Biden knows how to put the smacker to Gullaini

Dodd looks like Barnaby Jones (Buddy Ebsen)

Richardson is optimistic. Why, I don't know, but he is.

Gravel is crazy in a likable kind of way.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:49 PM
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12. kick
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:42 PM
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15. Kucinich is the only candidate that believes in full equal rights
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:45 PM
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16. And Gravel: "Love between a man and a man is beautiful"
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 04:48 PM by FreeState
Mike Gravel: 'Love between a man and a man is beautiful'
David Edwards and Mike Sheehan
Published: Wednesday May 9, 2007

Mike Gravel, 2008 Democratic presidential candidate, says he has no problem with gay love.

New Hampshire's WMUR TV hosted a conversation with Gravel in which the former US senator, answering an audience question about gay marriage, replies, "If a couple of lesbians or gay men want to get married, and they love each other, they should have the right to do that and enjoy all the legalities in our society that go along with that. I have no problem with that at all."

"I think that people who create these problems of homophobia and the likes of that do us a disservice," Gravel continues. "We are all human beings and one of the things that should motivate us, most of all, is love."

He blasts President Bush's "faith-based leadership," saying, "You can't legislate morality."

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Mike_Gravel_Love_between_man_and_0509.html
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:45 PM
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17. I think the Democrats have a terrific field for the nomination
I'm currently plumping for Edwards, but I can't think of any of the competitive candidates I couldn't vote for. I would much, much, much rather be choosing from the Democratic field than from the hacks, retreads, has-beens and never-weres populating the Republican slate.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:57 PM
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18. Hillary's tenaciousness. nt
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