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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:59 AM
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Obama is too corporate AND too liberal???
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 08:44 AM by NoBorders
According to his opponents. I guess this means that one of the campaigns is lying?

Edwards is calling Obama 'corporatist':
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3953576

HRC is calling him 'too liberal'.
See recent threads or dkos or huffpost.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:15 AM
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1. Not necessarily.
It all depends on where they all stand on the corporatist-vs.-liberal spectrum.

Edwards is positioning himself to the left of both Obama and Clinton. So his accusation that Obama is too corporatist fits with his view of their relative placements on the spectrum.

Clinton is positioning herself to the right of both Obama and Edwards. So her accusation that Obama is too liberal fits with her view of their relative placements on the spectrum.

My own impression is that Obama does fall somewhere between Edwards and Clinton. But I also think it may be irrelevant. Obama's message is that we can transcend this "old" politics of left vs. Right and Red vs. Blue and Corporatist vs. Populist. I had thought that the country was too polarized for Obama's message to work. But much to my own surprise, I think he might actually be able to pull it off.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:18 AM
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2. Agreed. It's also pre-Iowa and pre-NH difference
JE is sticking to his anti-corporate msg, while HRC is trying to scare Independents in NH.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:18 AM
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3. You realize neither of them actually said those things
In both cases it was surrogates and they never used the words you did
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:44 AM
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5. That's what surrogates are for
To say things that might be too controversial for the candidates to say themselves, but it's not like Edwards or Clinton disavowed the comments, they are part of the campaign strategy process. To me it's just politics and doesn't raise my hackles all that much, but it is a bit comical to see the way campaigns end up contradicting each other and sometimes themselves as they spin from one day to the next.

But I'll update my OP to 'campaigns'.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:21 AM
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4. oh well, they gotta try something
throw enough stuff at the wall, see what sticks.

Convincing people not to vote for him will be a bigger challenge than convincing anyone to vote for either of them.
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