This IS "Corporatist Nation"

[DaLittle Kitty]

:smoke: :nuke: Obama is a distraction... Always has been , from the getgo. The Establishment put him up to give that speech at the 2004 convention, He has never had a clue how he IS being used. At least Kucinich knows what he is doing in herding us lefties into a corner only to be released to the Candidate of Choice of Corporate America... when the pseudo-competition is over.

Watch in the event the race were to come down to Hill and Obama, (That IS The Plan after all),you will begin to hear the drumbeat grow louder about "electability," code speak for, (America is not ready for a Black man to be President.)

The Southern Strategy has become more subtle but remains effective to this day speaking loudly but only in whispers... in Dixie.

This IS the MAster plan. Obama is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO pumped up right now he cannot even see straight, much less the forest ... for the trees.

Then , once this perspective becomes the overiding focus, the paid pundits, wage slaves themselves to the Establishment, otherwise known as " The Corporation," will lead "the sheep" to the ONLY remaining choice... "Hill/Bill!"

That is WHY... John Edwards MUST be "Done Away With" in due time. :argh:

:grr: It is all 'bout the MSM, as "The Voice of The Corporation," ignoring Edwards (to prevent/hamper his fund raising), pumping Obama (for a time), just long enough to weed out Edwards, the last remaining hurdle to anointing "The Corporatist Queen" who then will be lauded as a "Steeled Fighter" who has taken on the Best the Party can offer..... and won? :shrug:

"A fine field of Great Democrats," one of whom will go home to his "mansion" w/ his sick wife who will then get LOADS OF MEDIA ATTENTION and who will be set upon by "The Establishment," to give the go ahead to his supporters to join... "In Unity w/ The Winner,"

Anyone receive that sorry email from Howard?

UNITY = FASCISM!

AND DEMOCRATS OF NOTE WILL SAY...:puffpiece:

And then boy we sure have a great "Future" in Barack Obama, "He will one day be President, after he pays his dues, and look at the experience that he has had, he will live to fight again... and He knows how to play the game." Obama will be given a wink and a nod, promised a cabinet post "WHEN Hillary wins." "America needs the experience that Hillary provides, the inside track so to speak."

"The Democrats have Decided" will be the story. :headbang:

:think: Not... "WE" Democrats... WILL NOT HAVE!!! "The CORPORATION through ...The "Voice of Corporate America," Will Have Made OUR Decision FOR "US"..........

Then once decided, albeit PREMATURELY, the "steeled candidate" will embark upon the general election, confidence renewed and the Establishment WILL have dodged The Peoples' SILVER BULLET that "was" John Edwards candidacy.

The Establishment WILL have its necessary "insurance" against any more than token change, mere sugary syrup to again mislead the masses... in the unlikely event that Hillary somehow were able to thread what will be a verrryyyy fine needle notwithstanding the continued peril of election fraud etc., and "win." Hillary, BOUGHT AND PAID FOR, TOTALLY beholden, a fall back "backup" for "The Corporation,"... if,,,,, just by some quirk of circumstance a democrat were to win.

No problem here... The bases are covered... for "The Corporation." :)

:nuke: Now once decided... that Hillary IS The Democratic Nominee, the proverbial closet doors which the Republican Political War Machine has been struggling to keep closed, till the decision is final... will then be allowed to spill their bowels completely all over the figurative floors and airwaves and propagandist newspapers of these United States and the World.

The skeletons will still be moist w/ muscle and cartilage and the old bony stuff will come crumbling on to the floor as well.

BTW Clinton "Bundler" formerly exiled felon Norman Hsu it was reported in the paper today that he was sentenced to 3 THREE years in Federal Prison for his past escapades. Oh, and Peter Paul... google that one on the net. And Chinese dishwashers, and can't forget Bill's philandering which continues to this day.

:eyes:This is my prediction, I have been pretty solid thus far. So thinking pragmatically at this point before the nominee is carved in stone, "WE" do have a choice IF "WE" IGNORE THE PAID PUNDITS both familiar and new. and if "WE" ignore the endless discussion about who has the MOST Money...

:wtf: because after all the two party system IS a FARCE... We have but one party...

The $MONEY$ PArty and John Edwards ain't play'n their game! :think:

:wtf: WHO was the Englishman pumping Clinton on MSNBC this morning? Never seen him before! And Peter Fenn, who derives his income... WORKING FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES and propagandizing on behalf of the ESTABLISHMENT line!

The Pundits on TV like Peter Fenn, Brazille, Blitzer, Andrea Mitchell, (Greenspans wife), Chris Matthews, John Roberts, and even in select circumstances... gasp.... Olberman, owe their livlihood to the ESTABLISHMENT... THAT EMPLOYS THEM! :think:

There is nothing objective about this process the rahrah, lies and manipulation are not even veiled this time around. WAKE UP AMERICA!



This IS... "Corporatist Nation!" :nuke:



May God Help Us All

John Edwards is the only choice for America in 2008. :yourock:

[kurth]

1. But but, Obama is Mr. Establishment WITH CHARISMA!

[DaLittle Kitty]

2. Who Cannot Answer a Question In the Time Alloted... DEEP Voice From Smoking...

Just a New kind of Blowhard who is sooo naive he fails to understand how he is being used!

[patrice]

4. No, he thinks he can "un-use" himself, but he's wrong. nt

[patrice]

3. Obama is The Machine covering its bets on the other end of the main issue spectrum:

HC on the Pro-War end and Obama on the anti-this-War end of the same spectrum. Look at the money; it tells the whole story. Obama gets lots of nuclear power lobby money; what happens to alternative energy development in his "third-way" administration? Nuclear power + alternative energy = ENTROPY!!!

The problem with the "third way" is that substantial differences between things that ARE in FACT different get blurred.

In my experience, Obama's so-called "Independent" and cross-over votes are un-informed power-hounds and I think their behavior pretty much prooves that perception.

[kurth]

9. Reality is anathema to a personality cult

[patrice]

16. Cults don't like complexity, except to extract power from it by simplification. nt

[DaLittle Kitty]

29. Well Put!

[DaLittle Kitty]

20. Patrice YOU Are Validating My Argument, THANKS!

[Gloria]

65. Another theory I"ve been playing with is that some DC insiders

decided they didn't want Bill's sexploits to resurface again....so they recruited Obama to do the job for them....a new version of the same old game.

I've been calling him Hillary-lite for some time now....I knew the minute he skirted the ethics rules on his book deal, by signing before he was even sworn in. (Hillary did the same thing.) I knew we had an operator right then and there....

[DaLittle Kitty]

88. BIG Friend of Chicago Banking Community!

:blush:

[debbierlus]

Obama is a corporatist.

So is Hilliary....

[DaLittle Kitty]

128. Correctamundo!

:)

[bellasgrams]

5. Isn't that the rich guy with the hugh house and the $400

haircut? A real down to earth guy. I'm just sure he doesn't have any rich friends that owns big business

[Name removed]

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[tbyg52]

59. Hmmm....

I was going to say something snarky in agreement with you, but I thought I'd check the profile. Then I noticed it was disabled. Darn, though, my snark moment seems to have passed.....

[TooBigaTent]

77. you shouldn't do that, according to the rules. mods must be sleeping in.

[kurth]

15. Only Oprah can live in a big house?

[DaLittle Kitty]

28. Yes ... Only Oprah! But What About Romney?

[amandabeech]

62. John Edwards is a plaintiffs' trial lawyer. He made a lot of money suing big

corporations over the injuries that their dangerous products caused ordinary citizens.

Unfortunately, he increased his fortune by investing in a hedge fund.

Nonetheless, the corps don't like him, and I doubt that he has many big corp friends.

Just look at that "where they get their money graph" that's been kicking around here.

Edwards gets much less money from big corporations, big banks and big brokerage houses than either Hillary or Barack.

He can get all the $400 haircuts he wants from that money.

And by the way, he really did start out as the son of a poor millworker in the South.

[Gloria]

66. And check out how much money from healthcare cos. is going to both

Hillary and Obama....

[DaLittle Kitty]

130. Exactly!

:)

[DaLittle Kitty]

90. This Fundamental Truth Is Killing The Corporatist Candidates, Barack and Hill/Bill!

[debbierlus]

78. In the world of big money, Edwards is a small fish in a huge pond

And, I think because of his history, he will be the best advocate for the working class (that is what the middle class is now, we are all working class).

[DaLittle Kitty]

92. We ARE ALL Working Class, From The Surgeon Who Opens Your Chest or Your Head to The

Person Who Mops The Floor. This IS The Fundamental Premise of Corporatist Nation That Must Be Communicated Far and Wide.

WE ARE ALL IN THIS FIGHT TOGETHER WITH JOHN EDWARDS LEADING OUR CHARGE.

Pleas GOOOO... and CONTRIBUTE ON LINE to Help John Spread HIS Message. https://www.johnedwards.com/action/contribute/form/




Failing to Nominate and Elect John Edwards WILL Represent The Turning of The Final Page of What Remains of American Democracy and Opening the Door and Locking

IN Place American Fascism. :think: CONTRIBUTE!


GO TO EDWARDS Web site and contact Edwards on line phone bank. www.johnedwardsphonebank.com

JUST DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!! :patriot:

[brentspeak]

91. Here's a clue for you: Edwards isn't against "rich guys"

He's against powerful corporate interests that have too much say in our government.

His platform is about institutions, not individuals.

[DaLittle Kitty]

129. Well Said and Entirely Correct!

:)

[DaLittle Kitty]

126. Have You Met ANY of The Candidates?

Edwards is the most believable of the bunch!

[Quantess]

139. Nice hidden profile,

I can't even check to see if you're tombstoned yet.

[asdjrocky]

7. K&R Kitty! n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. The Press Is Pushing Obama Because He Is New And Different

He will never get bad press...They will never turn on him... I don't know how that fits into your narrative...

[DaLittle Kitty]

12. God Help America If My Prediction Comes To Fruition... Tonight's Debate IS CrUCIAL!

Even if Edwards WINS the Debate, the Media will spin fer Hill/ Obama... If Hillary crapped her pants and puked on stage, the MSM will still ... give it to her!

That IS HOW BAD... IT REALLY IS.... :nuke:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I Agree To A Point

I watch a lot of sports and politics... There's always a story line... I'll be curious what the story line is for tonight...The story line is always written prior to the event and then they try to make the facts fit the story...

But to the press Obama is golden...He is untouchable...Edwards is irrelevant and Hillary is the shrew that wants to derail him...

[DaLittle Kitty]

24. Funny How the Media Relegates The Most Relevant to Irrelevance... But As The Voice of

"The Corporation," what else would one expect?

John Edwards IS the Friend of "The People"... while also being The Establishments' WORST NIGHTMARE! :)

That IS ESTABLISHMENT=THE CORPORATION a global term equivalent to the fascist state.

Corporatism is synonymous w/ the term fascism. This IS where we are and this election represents OUR last chance to turn back this march! :eyes:


:think::nuke::think:

[Gloria]

67. YUP, it's all about suppressing the real core issue facing this country...

corporate power taking over the government.

I have had the weirdest thoughts about Huckabee, the "populist"...winning in November, as our Democrats ignore our REAL Democratic populist and choose the old wishy-washy, "return to the center" nonsense! How IRONIC would that be???

[DaLittle Kitty]

27. The Press Will ONLY Begin To Question Him Once, and I Pray for this NOT to Happen...When Edwards Has

Left the race! Getting Edwards OUT IS The GOAL RIGHT NOW!

[Karenina]

60. Spoken by a true monolingual.

[postulater]

10. Nice analysis

Thanks for the viewpoint

And especially good use of smilies.

[DaLittle Kitty]

26. Just FER FUN! In what can ONLY be described as review of a TROUBLING TOPIC!

:hide:

[lisainmilo]

11. The one who "Rocks" is you....Great Post!

That is what all this is about. The change is NOT whether we have a "black" president, the change is NOT whether we have a "woman" president the REAL change is whether or not we get the corporate president or the peoples president. Corporate money pouring into a candidate helps who????? DUH.......THE CORPORATIONS! That means the Halliburtons, KBR's, Oil Corporations, Titan, CACI, Blackwater, ABC, Walt Disney, (who most DUer's have blogged against) THAT is who is running this election.

Not to be discounted in any way what so ever.................ALL the GREEDY corporations who expect "THEIR CANDIDATE" to do their bidding. Pure and Simple all the blogging over the last years with reguard to all the injustices we have experienced comes down to this, and we have ONE CANDIDATE, who is finally stepping up and doing the bidding for us.

I agree with you the M$M (corporations) want a campaign ticket

They want Clinton/McCain as our choice. I don't see how people can't see this after all the injustices, I don't get it!
Edit to add (insider trading) I think the will go for Obama/McCain check the insider trading

[DaLittle Kitty]

14. Thankk You My Fellow AMERICAN! Can WE GET This Message OUT To America Before Tuesday?

This is THE MASTER PLAN! :nuke:

[cali]

13. lol. I find all your posts a riot- like a parody of Counterpunch

all stock rhetoric and devoid of common sense and nuance, but this one takes the cake.

What JE supporters don't get is that the corporate world doesn't fear JE. They're quite confident in their abilities to handle any administration and they know how to play the game quite well. It's possible to curp some of the coporatism in this country, but not the way JE approaches it anyway. He'd get squashed by the Hill and K street

Dog whistle politics aren't going to cut it against Obama. If he wins big in NH, it's very likely he ends up with the nomination.

Oh and provide some evidence that ANY prediction you've ever made re the political arena, is solid.

[DaLittle Kitty]

18. No Need to Validate For You, as You Show Up as A Defender of "The Status Quo!

Try and come up w/ a different scenario, or are you that naive to ... ACTUALLY BUY INTO the ramblings of Peter Fenn, Matthews, Andrea Mitchell as somehow being objective? LOL :) And in the past two Presidential Elections tell me that our votes actually counted as well. :sarcasm:

[NYCGirl]

22. You forgot to bring up "The Illuminati" with "The Status Quo". NT

[DaLittle Kitty]

25. Thank you for your concern, hate to leave ANY Stones unturned!

:think:

[patrice]

32. cali is an Illuminatista?!?!? nt

[NYCGirl]

35. Everyone not backing Edwards is!

:tinfoilhat:

[pacalo]

34. The corporate world does fear Edwards.

Chris Matthews, who could be used as the corporate-media barometer, has been screeching the "trial lawyers" meme against Edwards. Corporations are most certainly afraid of trial lawyers who stick up for the little guys.

[DaLittle Kitty]

44. ... And WHO Have A Backbone of TITANIUM!

[femrap]

123. Devoid of common sense? Can't you read?

A lesson in history might help you understand....take a look at the previous Gilded Age, OK? Remember FDR? The one who said to the Corporate Pigs: "I welcome your hatred." Then maybe you should google General Smedley Butler who turned on the Corporate Pigs and refused to overthrow FDR and as a result, we got the New Deal.

John Edwards is a Corporate Pig's worst nightmare....they'll have to learn to share, not be so greedy. They might even have to treat their employees as well as they do their family pets.

What lovely Corporation or Lobbyist do you work for?

[DaLittle Kitty]

131. This IS My Point Exactly and Is Why "The Voice of Corporate America", The MSM

Is Denying John Edwards Appropriate coverage. This IS FASCISM Baby!:argh:

[femrap]

138. You totally get it!

Fascism is where we are! I bought a t-shirt from the Syracuse Cultural Workers that has 'Fascism Sucks' on the front and the 10 signs of it listed on the back. I think they have changed the shirt to 'Fight Fascism' now.

Here's an idea...while standing in line at the grocery store, pretend you are talking to someone on your phone about John Edwards and how he is fighting for working people and that he is the only one who can save our country.

[DaLittle Kitty]

141. Thanks I Recommend people make their own video testimonials on YOUTUBE

Telling the world about WHO John Edwards IS... and Elizabeth and HOW They GETTIT! And Are the ONLY Hope For America! Hel* Obama has never fought a battle, his wife has supported him until he got in the Senate against a weak candidate... This guy is ready to lead the free world? While John edwards has fought against the biggest toughest companies in America for ordinary folks... and WON! :)

[patrice]

19. Take a look at the Lobbying money. There's a link somewhere on this board - says it all.

going to look for that link . . . .

[DaLittle Kitty]

23. Yes Obama Has Taken More $$$ From Wall ST. Than ANY Candidate from Either Party!

:think::think::think::think::think::think::think::think::think::think::think:

[patrice]

30. He doesn't see how that already shapes everything that happens. So when he

thinks he will become "his own man" once he's in office, ALL of the choices are already defined by his $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$upporter$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I'll bet he's thinking "When I'm in office I can do what I think is right, whatever that is. I won't let Wall Street tell me what to do." He's wrong because Wall Street is setting the conditions of the next pResidency right now as thei candidates campaign. Obama will have the "choices" they give to him. The only way around this Machine is to not take its money. That won't give Edwards full control, but it WILL make him more FREE than the others.

[DaLittle Kitty]

43. Demonstrating Obama's Mammoth NAIVETE'

I have seen him in person. He literally appears to be "Walking on Air," he is so high on being.... "Barack!"

[Karenina]

61. The $$$$$$$$$$ he takes, the company he keeps...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2584691

[Little Star]

21. I must say, I agree! I must say you are brave and thanks!

[NoPasaran]

31. Thank Gawd

Someone has finally distilled Time Cube into one simple, all-encompassing conspiracy theory.

I salute you!

:patriot:

[DaLittle Kitty]

42. Quite Simple Really. Please May I be Wrong in the End!

:)

[pacalo]

33. I'm convinced, too, that this country is run by corporations.

In hindsight, I think back-room deals were made to determine the candidates; probably the nominees, as well.

John Edwards is the only choice for the people. We deserve representation.

[TomClash]

36. There are a few problems with John Edwards and the anti-corporate message

1. He wasn't exactly making this argument in 2004.

2. He supported the Empire's war in 2002 when he voted for the IWR - the biggest corporate swindle in decades.

3. He got a big wad of cash from Fortress Investment, a Black Rock spinoff hedge fund. Nice guys, mostly Dems, but not exactly denizens of the progressive or labor movements.

4. He supported permanent trade status with China, one of the most odious and oppressive governments in the World. He wasn't exactly singing the Internationale with the students in Tiananmen Square.

I like the guy, but he was making millions as a med mal trial lawyer when Barack was making pennies organizing the working class wards on the South Side. Is this an argument to help him get elected or something he really beleives and will follow through with?

[DaLittle Kitty]

41. Michelle Obama was the basic Breadwinner, Earning Over $300K/yr so Obama could pursue politics

:)

[TomClash]

55. If you're a med mal trial lawyer you make a lot more than that nt

[DaLittle Kitty]

118. Yes, However Obama Tries to Portray himself as Some Just Out of College Still Eating

Ramen noodles and Beans apt. w/ roomates kind of guy... WHEN HE CLEARLY ... IS NOT! Obama is Very well acquainted w/ the Banking community in Chicago! Nuff said. :smoke:

[TomClash]

122. He's a US Senator from Illinois - of course, he's well acquainted with the Chicago banking community

I've been to a few of John Edwards' NY fundraisers - they're not exactly held in East New York and their not exactly attended by thw less fortunate. I've even seen a few lobbyists there. :evilgrin:

[truedelphi]

37. You are right on about Edwards, but I wish you were wrong

About the Corporatist Nation

[LibertyorDeath]

38. Great post, I see you have a firm grasp of exactly

what kind of bullshit game is really going on (pseudo-competition )

Corporate America does not give one shit what candidate

people vote for as long as they Own them lock stock and barrel.

Best post I've read here in a long while.....

[DaLittle Kitty]

40. Thank You, Pleaase try and spread this basic message to AWAKEN The People.

:)

[Joe Chi Minh]

98. Agreed.

[2rth2pwr]

39. Soylent Green is made of people!!! nt

[FrenchieCat]

45. Yeah....sure!

Johnny-come-lately-after-losing-election- Edwards was busy pushing the most pro-corporate agenda there ever was; a trillion dollar corporate windfall.

Edwards is leading from the rear in reference to his chickenhawk action now.

He lacked any courage whatsoever when we were looking for leaders.

And you want to reward him, and elevate him to sainthood.

It is you that is been bamboozled!
Sorry to see it.

Delivered on October 7, 2002 in the Halls of power-
This week, the U.S. Senate will have an historic debate on the most difficult decision a country ever makes: whether to send American soldiers into harm's way to defend our nation. The President will address these issues in his speech tonight.

My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I am a co-sponsor of the bipartisan resolution we're currently considering.

Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies -- including our vital ally, Israel.
snip

After 11 years of watching Saddam play shell games with his weapons programs, there is no reason to believe he has any real intention to disarm.

At the end of the day, there must be no question that America and our allies are willing to use force to eliminate the threat of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction once and for all. And I believe if America leads, the world will join us.

Eliminating Iraq's destructive capacity is only part one of our responsibility, however.

We must make a genuine commitment to help build a democratic Iraq after the fall of Saddam. And let's be clear: a genuine commitment means a real commitment of time, resources, and yes, leadership. Democracy will not spring up by itself or overnight in a multi-ethnic, complicated, society that has suffered under one repressive regime after another for generations. The Iraqi people deserve and need our help to rebuild their lives and to create a prosperous, thriving, open society. All Iraqis — including Sunnis, Shia and Kurds — deserve to be represented.

This is not just a moral imperative. It is a security imperative. It is in America's national interest to help build an Iraq at peace with itself and its neighbors, because a democratic, tolerant and accountable Iraq will be a peaceful regional partner. And such an Iraq could serve as a model for the entire Arab world.
snip
We must also remember why disarming Saddam is critical to American security – because halting the spread of weapons of mass destruction, and ensuring they don't fall into the wrong hands, including terrorist hands, is critical to American security. This is a problem much bigger than Iraq.
snip
Even as we lead the world to eliminate the Iraqi weapons threat in particular and global proliferation in general, we must maintain our resolve in the long-term fight against terrorist groups like al-Qaeda.

I reject the notion that this is an either-or choice. Our national security requires us to do both, and we are up to the challenge. We fought World War II on four continents simultaneously. America worked to rebuild Germany and Japan at the same time, under the Marshall Plan. We waged the Cold War in every corner of the globe, and we won. --John Edwards
http://www.cfr.org/publication/5441/americas_role_in_the_world.html?breadcrumb=%2Fbios%2F9641%2Fjohn_edwards%3Fgroupby%3D3%26hide%3D1%26id%3D9641%26filter%3D2002

VERSUS...

Delivered on 26 October 2002 at an anti-war rally

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4x_KnWEDjs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ytGaPqclSA&NR=1


Edwards gave a pro-war speech in Herzliya on Jan. 21, 2007
hinting broadly that he was ready to nuke Iran and praising Sharom:

The challenges in your own backyard – rise of Islamic radicalism, use of terrorism, and the spread of nuclear technology and weapons of mass destruction – represent an unprecedented threat to the world. . . .

At the top of these threats is Iran. Iran threatens the security of...the entire world. Let me be clear: Under no circumstances can Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons. For years, the US hasn’t done enough to deal with what I have seen as a threat from Iran. As my country stayed on the sidelines, these problems got worse. To a large extent, the US abdicated its responsibility to the Europeans. This was a mistake. . . .

We have muddled along for far too long. To ensure that Iran never gets nuclear weapons, we need to keep ALL options on the table, Let me reiterate – ALL options must remain on the table.
http://www.herzliyaconference.org/Eng/_Articles/Article.asp?ArticleID=1728&CategoryID=223

and there's more:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3910210


Edwards, while he didn't get anything Anti-corporatist done while serving 6 years in the senate, is now supposed to have changed in every single way there is? that it isn't even possible.

Edwards is the anti-Corporatist candidate, NOT!

[pberq]

57. Great post!

that's some information that the DU Edwards camp needs to see.

And here is what we've seen is right on the money:

"What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne."

[amandabeech]

63. We've seen it, and we've decided that we STILL like Edwards better.

Even though I thought that the war was unwarranted right from the get go, Edwards is where I am now. In all respects.

You're not going to convince me to vote for you guy because I think that he's too slick by half, has both Mommy and Daddy problems, and hates baby boomers and anyone else over 50.

Isn't that enough?

[femrap]

124. So glad you mentioned Obama's

mommy/daddy problems...he may have finally found Papa...The Corporation! The Corporation loves him and will take such good care of him, don't you think?

Maybe his hatred of the elders comes from being raised by his grandparents??? And I kinda think the under-30 crowd likes hearing his digs of the Boomers.

Edwards is for the people, not the Corporate Pigs.

[DaLittle Kitty]

132. Remember, Keep Repeating THIS Message OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

:)

[DaLittle Kitty]

135. Edwards IS Where He Needs To Be Now, Has Learned From His Mistakes and IS Mature Where His Rival

Who also espouses change has some GROWING TO DO IN A NUMBER OF WAYS! Let's just say bye bye to Hillary asap and then get on w/ dissembling Obama. :)

[Two Americas]

109. we have seen it

Again, and again, and again.

It is not relevant to anything. If Edwards is only 10% the champion of the poor and labor and the opponent of entrenched wealth and monopoly corporate control of our country, that would still be infinitely better than anything we have had.

The message is important, regardless of whether or not Edwards is this, that, or the other. What he is saying will have a dramatic impact no matter what. It is the message we are supporting, first and foremost, and each other, not the personality. The other personalities in the race are stronger. So what?

My attention is on the least among us, not on the high-flying top dogs. Anything that brings the plight of the have-nots into the discussion, and connects that to greed and arrogance at the top, represents a sea change.

Character assassination against Edwards - and that is all that the attacks boil down to - is a strategy that will backfire.

Take a step back and get some perspective—haircuts? A house? He is a phony? An affair? He made a lot of money? If that is anything more than character assassination, please connect the dots for me. This is all an attempt to divert people from the message by talking about the messenger, in the most derogatory and inflammatory and misleading terms possible.

[DaLittle Kitty]

136. WOWWWW What Points Well Made!!! Thank you! It IS The Message, NOT The Messiah!

:)



:think: People!

[AntiFascist]

46. At least Joe Scarborough was out in the open about it...

making such a big deal and appreciating the millions spent by Obama on his campaign efforts. Gee, what is the connection between media pundits and campaign financing? There must be a connection there somewhere...

[DaLittle Kitty]

53. Yeah... Ya Got That Right... The More $ Ya Spend The Better They Like Ya?

[sojourner]

47. You nailed it. That's how I see the game plan, too.

[DaLittle Kitty]

52. Thanks...

[Plucketeer]

73. Yes

I like your assessment too!

[Robeson]

48. I'm not an Edwards supporter....

...but, IMHO, your prognostication is spot on. Nominated.

[DaLittle Kitty]

51. Thank You.

[sojourner]

49. Hello Kitty! Look here...........

A DUer proposes to become the media and fuck the M$M --- not sure if you'd seen this, but seems a really good idea!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2598054

[DaLittle Kitty]

50. May Well Be The Case!

[ProSense]

54. In Edwards' own

words: "Senator Obama is a change candidate by any measure."

Also see: It's possible to have a populist message, be ignored by the media and still win the nomination

[DaLittle Kitty]

133. Excellent Points Made By Our Candidate!

:)

[onehandle]

56. Kick! nt

[ClericJohnPreston]

58. I feel like I'm reading myself

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3952528

My post, "FORM OVER SUBSTANCE" speaks to this very issue.

Who is ClericJohnPreston?

Rebel with a cause, ANTI-CORPORATIST, to the core!

You can't trust any candidate who takes money from lobbyists.
The common folk, non-political, are so easily distracted and manipulated.

ABC from the framing of this "debate", has tried to play to Hillary.

Sickening & nauseating!

EDWARDS IS THE MAN!

[DaLittle Kitty]

64. Contribute to John Edwards Campaign HERE! (link)

https://www.johnedwards.com/action/contribute/form/


YEAH BAby! That is a win for our side tonight! :smoke:

[lisainmilo]

68. Just got home from work...

Nice to see this thread GREATEST.....thank you for posting some semblance of sanity!
K&R!

[DaLittle Kitty]

134. Thank You As Well!

:)

[tom_paine]

69. K & R, DaLittleKitty!

[DaLittle Kitty]

89. Yeahh Baby!

:applause:

[Mr_Monday]

70. As I recall, there are many other candidates on the ballot

So how can Edwards be the "only choice" for America? Or do you mean your own choice? Also, you should be careful where you post things like this, the corporatist underground may find you and stifle your voice.

[DaLittle Kitty]

145. Other Candidates Have Either Been Similarly Treated Or Are Distractors. You Decide?

[fightindonkey]

71. Barack Is Dumb As Dirt

No shock.

[Mr_Monday]

72. Evidence? nt

[hayu_lol]

74. Oh yeah, Edwards is the anti-corporatist all right...anti-offshore corp. as well...

except for his little 16 million dollar investment in fortress(hedge funds/subprime)Corporation based offshore in the Cayman Islands.

Edwards takes his dislike for these corps. even further. Until Aug '07, he worked for Fortress as a consultant at $400,000+per year.

Oh yeah, Edwards is really taking on the corporations.

[Joe Chi Minh]

99. Precisely what quarrel do you have with a rich man who does his utmost

to defeat his own best (in the sense of most selfish) economic interests, by subjecting himself to a much higher level of taxation, along with his economic peers; all of this, with a view to some of the ill-gotten, inordinate wealth of the richest Americans being returned to the people who created it, by promoting the welfare of the sorely oppressed, but relatively vast majority of Americans? Indeed, the country at large, in terms of its social and material infrastructure.

I can only assume the suffix to your username is aimed at your own folly.

[DaLittle Kitty]

144. Well Said!

Let us see just how the Corporation Screws us today? :eyes:

[mother earth]

75. Thank you, Kitty! You've got it right, K & R!

Edwards all the way!

[DaLittle Kitty]

103. Thank You, Pleaase try and spread this basic message to AWAKEN The People.

[Voltaire99]

76. One of the wisest posts on DU in many a moon. (NT)

[DaLittle Kitty]

87. Thank You, Pleaase try and spread this basic message to AWAKEN The People.

:patriot:

[alteredstate]

79. Did you write this?

i saw most of it on Kos.

[DaLittle Kitty]

85. I wrote this! and put it on Kos

:)

[Ninga]

80. This OP is so true that it is sad. I will stick with Edwards as long as he sticks with us.

[DaLittle Kitty]

86. "Staying Through The Convention and On To The White House" John Edwards

:patriot:

[Thrill]

81. Edwards is much like Romney

He'll say anything to get elected.

[DaLittle Kitty]

127. He IS Saying the Right Things In the Right Way and When Elected, We Can Hold Him Accountable!

:)

[Jawja]

82. Recommended.

Great rant.

I remember when the Corporatist candidate was George W. Bush. He was selected at least 2 years out.... and we know the rest of the story.

[DaLittle Kitty]

107. Thank You, Pleaase try and spread this basic message to AWAKEN The People.

:)

[SteppingRazor]

83. This IS "very well-written sophistry."

So. Your contention is that the media will blow up Obama until Edwards is out, and then tear him down for a Hillary win. Does everyone in the media get some sort of memo to do this? Are they robots?

But that's not even my main point. Your contention is that Obama is a good, but tremendously naive, man being used by evil forces. I say to you -- J'accuse! Tell me, given that Obama won Iowa, and seems more and more likely to win NH, which would then catapult him to a win in SC, which could very well secure him the Feb. 5 primaries, what will you say when/if Obama does become the nominee? Will you throw your support behind this good man, or will you write him off as now Working For Them? My guess is the latter. Any point which does not fit the conspiracy theory can always be folded into the theory. Anyone who disagrees must be working for them.

[DaLittle Kitty]

94. My Friend I Know Not Your Background and You Not Mine, However Whether I Am

Completely correct, half right or wrong completely, I watch very closely what is happening in this country and if you for one second DO NOT believe that Corporate America is in COMPLETE CONTROL OF OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. You Have NOT Been Paying Attention.

We will have to wait and see. WHEN WILL THE MEDIA START ASKING OBAMA SOME SERIOUS AND DIFFICULT QUESTIONS?

You tell me. :popcorn:

[Joe Chi Minh]

100. Have to laugh at his use of the Hunter S Thompson ikon!!!! How disingenuous

is it possible to be?

[SteppingRazor]

114. You mean the Hunter Thompson that supported party bigwig candidate John Kerry in 2004?

That Hunter Thompson?

:eyes:

The doctor never based his picks on what was necessarily good or bad for the party, or moneyed interests, or the average Joe. He picked them based on his own notion of what was best for America, and none of these candidates precisely match the man's brand of anarcho-socialism. But then again, what politician would?

[Joe Chi Minh]

115. Big-wig he may have been but he was a genuine New Deal economic progressive.

You know it, and Hunter certainly did.

[DaLittle Kitty]

147. Better Than Bush By Wide Margein...

[DaLittle Kitty]

146. Nice...

[SteppingRazor]

113. Totally agree with you.

Obama hasn't had to field detailed policy questions from many interviewers, but I think that's more a case of those questions not being sexy than it is a mass media conspiracy. As for corporate America being in complete control of our political system, if by that you mean that our politicians cater to moneyed interests, then of course I agree with you. It's common knowledge. And, hey, I'm on DU -- by definition, I've been paying attention. It's the sheep who consider US Weekly "the news" that you've got to worry about.

But, hey, you never answered my question! If Obama is truly a good, albeit naive, man as you claim in your OP, then if he gets the nomination, you'll have no problem supporting him, right?

[DaLittle Kitty]

149. CORRECT!

Though My confidence in a win and then real policy change happening etc is nominal at best. Obama has had little experience in making important decisions, has not managed anything... I have had to make many more important decisions, life and death in health care than he has. So who's more prepared... NOT Barack, however neither was GWB, so I will support him.

Edwards is our best chance for a WIN and for MEANINGFUL CHANGE. That's it and I am confident in my assessment. :)

[bagrman]

84. The caucusing states may be the only true show of the peoples will,

AS for the rest, electronic counting and voting will be decided by the corporations. There is enough opposition to Clinton that she can't be elected in an honest election. Remember the Neocons run the MSM and they were so much in favor of Clinton as their girl, that's cause she is one of them. The 2 party system is only in place to keep Americans fighting amongst ourselves instead of watching them, our rulers.

Latr

[DaLittle Kitty]

95. We Found Evidence of Gross Inaccuracies On TouchScreen Voting in 2006 So There IS Good Reason To Be

Concerned. :yoiks:

[bagrman]

140. I think NM had some counties report more votes then registrants. Don't look good for democracy.

[DaLittle Kitty]

148. Interesting, Keep Us Posted And Eyes Open...

Likely Shenanigans in NH today, was in 2004.

[bonito]

93. Kick

To read later

[Kip Humphrey]

96. While Corporate media builds its Wall of Silence, first around Kucinich, now around Edwards, Hillary

picks up the MOST Iowa delegates while coming in 3rd (thanks to Establishment controlled super-delegates).

We vote, THEY decide! There is no democracy here.

[DaLittle Kitty]

102. That's IT In a Nutshell.

:puke:

[DaLittle Kitty]

106. Is there a link to that shi*?

I wanna go bananas on that ...... :wtf:

[Kip Humphrey]

117. See DU post...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2600733&mesg_id=2600733

I advise that you take a tranquilizer first!

[bvar22]

97. Sunday Kick!

:toast:

Damn!...Error: You've already recommended that thread.

[Quantess]

111. Sunday kick at noon, Pacific Time!

:toast:

[DaLittle Kitty]

125. Thank You, Pleaase try and spread this basic message to AWAKEN The People.

:)

[peacock]

101. Great post!

Everyone who agrees, please support Edwards any way you can!

[DaLittle Kitty]

104. Do so by making a $Contribution or, JohnEdwardsphonebank.com

@5,000 doors knocked yesterday and 30,000 phone calls... That IS GRASSROOTS! We gotta get our guy a SECOND minimum Tuesday and it is ALL ABOUT GOTV! :bounce:

[DaLittle Kitty]

105. OOPS 25,000 doorsw knocked 30,000 calls!

:)

[MadHound]

108. If you honestly think that Edwards doesn't have his ass in hoc to corporate America,

Then you really need to start paying attention. Sure, Edwards is talking a good game, but look at his record, look at his donors, look who is bankrolling him. Wall St. money men, big business, Edwards has his ass just as much in the corporate sling as any other candidate this side of DK.

The only thing that Edwards has truly exhibited is an ability to learn quickly and think on his feet. He saw that his moderate schtick from '04 wouldn't work, there's too many moderates in the race already. He also saw that in a race featuring a woman and a black man he needed something to set him apart. So he conveniently nicked some planks from DK's platform, wrapped 'em in a populist blanket and delivered them with all the charisma and energy of a Southern fire eater. Interestingly enough, he's managed to fool a lot of people with this tactic judging by so many who regard him as the second coming of Huey Long.

But frankly, if Edwards actually manages to get the nomination, we'll see him cooling off his rhetoric during the general election run, and if he gets into office I seriously doubt that he would be any more populist than Hillary. His corporate masters would be satisfied with nothing less.

But hey, if you want to jump on this bandwagon, go ahead. Just don't be surprised when you find yourself voting for a man who makes things easier and more profitable for the financial and legal sector rather than ordinary people.

[Two Americas]

110. that's a guess

You have made a guess at what the future holds. For many of us, the issues Edwards is raising are so important that we are willing to err in the other direction. May we?

[DaLittle Kitty]

137. Point Well Made, No Candidate is perfect including John Edwards, however I'll Place My Bet W/ JRE!

Thank you:)

[bvar22]

112. Lets take a look at the numbers:

Hmmmm.
Who are the "Corporate Candidates"?



The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[Joe Chi Minh]

116. Don't confuse them with the facts.

[DaLittle Kitty]

120. FEC Report Looks Fine, For Example My Contributions Are Categorized Under the Healthcare Column

Again, Are ONLY Chinese Dishwashers permitted to Make contributions of $500 -$1,000 to a candidate?:smoke:

[DaLittle Kitty]

119. The Numbers Look Fine To Me. You Expect John To Get $ From Chinese Dishwashers Like HRC?

:bounce:

[DaLittle Kitty]

121. You and Dennis Are Spreading DISINFORMATION! Obama Is Largest Recipient BY FAR of

Wall Street $!:)

[bonito]

142. Tuesday kick

[DaLittle Kitty]

143. Thank You Very Much!

:nuke: GO John Edwards!:)