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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:48 PM
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Poll question: Should Dennis Kucinich Be Included In Tonight's Debate
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:55 PM
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1. Of Course He Should... This is Supposed to be a Democracy, Right?
We are pro-DEMOCRACY aren't we? Well then, why so many votes against him being there?
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:57 PM
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2. for entrtainment yes.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:58 PM
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3. Absolutely, all voices need to be heard.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:59 PM
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4. Funny how the 12 pro-censorship cowards didn't explain themselves.
Well, actually it isn't funny at all. It's sickening that such people call themselves "Democrats".
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:07 PM
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6. If Kucinich should be included, why not the other Democrats running
for President?

* Roland Aranjo
* Willie Carter
* Randy Crow
* Phil Epstein
* Michael Forrester
* Wrendo Goodwin of Parksley, Virginia
* Henry Hewes
* D.R. Hunter
* Keith Judd of Beaumont, Texas
* Karl Krueger
* Dal LaMagna (Withdrew)
* Frank Lynch
* Grover Cleveland Mullins
* Larry Reed
* Lee L. Mercer Jr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Democratic_presidential_candidates%2C_2008

If you don't include them aren't you in favor of censoring them?
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:16 PM
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10. Have any of those guys been present at the other debates?
Are they on the ballot in New Hampshire?

I believe there's a bit of a difference between unknown fringe candidates and a sitting US congressman.

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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:26 PM
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17. You're using an arbitrary construct, and the term "fringe" is
a dehumanizing, insulting way to portray them as the "other". You are making it easier to belittle them, to make them the "enemy".

All voices should be heard!
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:16 PM
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11. LaMagna withdrew from the race
it you had read your own list before posting, you'd probably know this and probably wouldn't have included him.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:32 PM
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22. It was a sad day when Tweezerman had to withdraw. nt
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:03 PM
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5. Only if he has duct tape on his mouth and is held upside down from a stage light
Um... yes, he should if the debate standards fit his situation. Does he need to have a certain amount of votes? I haven't looked and actually don't care...

I like Dennis, but he doesn't have a chance. I wish more people gave him money towards his campaign. I've given $200. Anybody else?


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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:15 PM
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9. Not as much as that
But I have contributed several times to Dennis, as I did in 2004. I also contributed small amounts at times last year to Biden, Dodd, Richardson and Gravel, just to help keep them in the race and their voices heard.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:56 PM
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26. Why do you always brag about how much money you can afford to give?
I've noticed on numerous occasions how you boast about how much you money you fork out for various causes, but then you even tell us the actual amounts of cash you're spending. Anyone who really forks out the bucks doesn't have to go running around telling people how much. They just do it.

Personally, I think you're full of shit.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:12 PM
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7. Absolutely nt
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:12 PM
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8. As a pro-censureship coward, I say leave him out because...
this is his second run for President, and whatever messasge he's got isn't doing any better than last time.

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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:19 PM
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13. Well, thanks for at least explaining your answer.
Your explanation doesn't make much sense, but at least you had one.

Whatever message he's got? Well, apparently John Edwards, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton all understand his message, because they're all trying to steal parts of it.

So the problem isn't Dennis' message. It's the corporate whore media's refusal to air that message from the true source.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:30 PM
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20. Oh, bullshit-- he's been running for President for...
at least 8 years and nobody gives a shit. Maybe it's not entirely the message, maybe most people simply think he's a jerk.

You can't blame that on anyone but Kucinich himself-- he's simply not wanted.



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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:17 PM
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12. I say sure, but understand why not.
If ya' keep him, then you've got to have Gravel, too, right? Didn't they both receive the same amount of votes in the Iowa Caucus? What about the other no-name Democrats running?

You know what? I think it would best suit the dialogue if they just had Obama, Clinton and Edwards.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:21 PM
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15. I think Gravel should be allowed in the debate as well
...if he's still in the race, that is. I've heard conflicting reports as to whether or not that's the case.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:25 PM
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16. He said on his page he is.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:20 PM
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14. need at least one progressive there to counter the Hillaryobama corporatists nt
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:26 PM
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18. He threw his support for Obama.
So let Obama speak for him. Afterall, Obama is a change candidate. ;)

That's the second time DK has done that in Iowa, so I think his credibility is shot.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:28 PM
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19. amazing
I'm absolutely amazed at how willing Democrats are to marginalize other Democrats.

This is what the NH GOP Chair had to say (after the NH GOP pulled out of sponsoring the Fox debate because it didn't include Hunter and Paul)

“The first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary serves a national purpose by giving all candidates an equal opportunity on a level playing field," said Republican chair Fergus Cullen. "Only in New Hampshire do lesser known, lesser funded underdogs have a fighting chance to establish themselves as national figures."

It's a sad day when I'm forced to agree with the loathsome Fergus Cullen - and an even sadder day when I have to applaud him for taking the stand that the Democrats should be taking.

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:54 PM
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25. Thanks for posting this n/t
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 05:48 PM
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28. So you are defending Ron Paul now?
;)

When the fight against fascism comes, he's on Kucinich's side.

It's starting to get more obvious how it all works when Edwards' second place performance is diminished and candidates like Kucinich, Gravel, and Paul are excluded. The corporate media doesn't their voices heard. They want the debate between their two corporate candidates, Clinton and Obama.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:30 PM
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21. imo yes...
btw, will the debate be on TV??
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:38 PM
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23. it`s our airwaves-not the candidates nor the corporations
dennis explained this on bill moyer`s and he is correct. has any candidate other than dennis brought this fact up?---no? i wonder why. as long as a candidate is still running the corporations nor the party itself has the right to censor anyone. but then again freedom of speach is only for those who own the presses
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:45 PM
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24. No, because he challenges big business, wants criminals
held responsible and has called attention to the draft Iraq Oil Law.

:sarcasm:

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:57 PM
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27. Sure.
Of course he should.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:11 PM
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29. If he's campaigning in NH, then yes.
If not, no.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:15 PM
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30. Didn't he already tell his supporters to go the Obama camp?
What's he whining about?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:16 PM
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31. I would care more if he pledged to support the Democratic nominee
I'll say yes, but crossing out that part on his application to be on the Texas Primary ballot pissed me off. As it is, part of me says he has it coming to him, but more of me says "Yes".
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:16 PM
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32. 22 names appear on the NH Dem ballot, what makes Dennis more special than any of them?
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 06:17 PM by tritsofme
He has just as much of a chance at the nomination as they do.

I also think that Richardson should take his VP auditions elsewhere as well.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:19 PM
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33. Yes nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:20 PM
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34. There are 22 people running in New Hampshire. Should they all be included?
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