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guruant Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:09 PM
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New ARG Poll Out
Obama 38%
Clinton 26%
Edwards 20%

http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/nhdem8-716.html

ARG was wayoff in Iowa, but they are based in NH, so who knows.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:10 PM
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1. And they had Hillary up four pre-caucus
Im Loving this!
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:10 PM
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2. ARG is only an outlier if Clinton is winning. His supports will k&r this like mad.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:12 PM
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6. Its perfectly in line with the other post Iowa poll.
Rasmussen has him up ten, this has him up 12, and are currently the only two polls that are truely post caucus.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:36 PM
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20. I'm an Obama supporter and I take anything ARG with a shaker of salt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:11 PM
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3. Wow. Right in line with Rasmussen
This is looking very, very good for Barack.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:11 PM
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4. I heard they are more accurate on local things. I hope this is true!!!!!!!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:11 PM
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5. I still don't trust ARG. NT
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:13 PM
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7. with their Iowa polling
I'm a little skeptical, but I do believe he is up
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:13 PM
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8. I predict Hillary to finsih third in NH
Hillary is in free-fall. All Edwards has to do is move to the side so Hillary drops right pass him and doesn't fall on his head and hurt his haircut.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:19 PM
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13. I wish that were true. but it isn't
Edwards does not get a bump out of Iowa. Most of the quitters support will go to Obama. Undecided will ride the wave. If there was a couple of weeks then yes. but he has not been able to spens quality time in NH doing retail politics, Nobody has. So it really is about momentum.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:21 PM
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15. I dont think that is ultimately true
I think he does get a bump. I'm seeing like a 4-5 point bump for Edwards
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:14 PM
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9. New CNN poll is supposed to be out at 5? Is that right?....
Head spinning....heart leaping. :)
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:15 PM
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10. I think that's about right.
I think the final results will be something like Obama 40%, Clinton 29-30%, Edwards 20% and the rest around 10%.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:16 PM
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11. Obama 42, Clinton 30, Edwards 20, Richardson, 6, DK, 2
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:18 PM
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12. I can go with that.
I'll endorse that prediction. I also predict a 35% jump in turnout over 2004.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:20 PM
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14. Would this be the same ARG poll that everyone said was worthless when Clinton had the lead?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:23 PM
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16. That was considered an outlier because it was way different than EVERY other poll
Here however, there has only been one other poll taken only after Iowa, and that was Rasmussen. Rasmussen sees it as a ten point Obama lead. So ARG is right in line with that.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:25 PM
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17. But Jesus is leading now.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:29 PM
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18. Rec reading..
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7717.html

View the New Hampshire polls you see in the final hours before the voting occurs with a large grain of salt.

It's not because the pollsters doing the surveys aren't good at their jobs.

It doesn't mean they won't turn out to be correct.

But the very short window between the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary makes it almost impossible to do the kind of quality polling that professionals would like, if given their druthers.

Iowa voted on Thursday, Jan. 3, and New Hampshire goes to the polls on Tuesday, Jan. 8.

Historically, the Iowa results have had an effect — sometimes major, sometimes less so — on the New Hampshire returns. Generally candidates who do well in Iowa see their fortunes improve in New Hampshire and vice versa.

But that was when there was a minimum of eight days between the two contests.

This time, the interval is half that. For practical purposes, the time for polling will be very narrow, at most three nights.

Polls that come out Sunday evening or in the Monday morning newspapers will reflect at most three days of polling. Those that come out Tuesday morning — the day of the actual voting — could reflect four full nights.

Pollsters like to have larger periods to poll. Part of the discipline of the field is that once a random sample is drawn, good pollsters make every effort to call back the telephone numbers that did not answer, rather than call extra ones, in order to preserve the randomness and integrity of the original sample.

Fewer nights of calling means fewer opportunities to get the people who were not home the first or second times they were called.

Since it would be worthless to poll before the Iowa results were available, Friday was the first day pollsters could be in the field.

Moreover, historically Friday is the least efficient evening to poll. Overall, fewer people are at home, and certain demographic groups are far less likely to be available to answer their telephones. Sunday, however, is the most efficient night to poll.

All polls are snapshots in time — glimpses of public opinion during a specific period. The Iowa results will inevitably change New Hampshire voters' perceptions of the race and perhaps some of their votes. How much information the public has when it is polled matters greatly.

For instance, it is clearly true that a New Hampshire voter who is polled on Sunday night will have more current information about what happened in Iowa and its effect on the race than if that same voter is polled on Friday.

Yet, reality dictates that those polled on Friday will be roughly half of a two-day sample and a third of a three-day sample.

That could be especially crucial to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's poll numbers. His loss in Iowa will almost certainly help shape his fate in New Hampshire. Before Iowa voted, Romney had already lost the lead he had held for months in the New Hampshire polls to Sen. John McCain. History suggests that a disappointing Romney showing in Iowa makes his candidacy less attractive to New Hampshire voters.

On the Democratic side, of course, the same is true. History suggests Sen. Barack Obama's victory over Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards will likely benefit him in New Hampshire.

In any case, whether New Hampshire voters who have been supporting candidates who fared poorly in Iowa will continue their support is the great unknown. And this might not become clear until the actual voting on Tuesday — too late to be picked up by the polls.

None of this is to suggest that the poll numbers that begin coming out in New Hampshire in the final day before the primary will necessarily be inaccurate.

But the compressed time period for such surveys should make everyone a bit wary.


From the politico..for what its worth..
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:34 PM
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19. I'm not going to trust ARG until
after NH and see if they were right. Maybe they just f*cked up in Iowa because of the caucus system.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:59 PM
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21. OMFG!!! That's awesome! Finally a real uniter in the WH!
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