John Edwards CO-SPONSORED Lieberman's 2002 Iraq War Resolution!

[Bicoastal]

(cross-posted from GD)

It's right HERE in pixilated black and white--Edwards's co-sponsorship under Lieberman's resolution, along with 15 other Senators, including Joe's fellow turncoat Zell Miller and noted GOP ghouls Pete Domenici, Jesse Helms, and Strom Thurmond. This resolution, authorizing the US to attack Iraq, was never voted for; it was amended and ultimately replaced with a very similar resolution that we know today as the legislation that officially brought us into the quagmire we're in today--which, I hardly need to remind you, Edwards voted for AS WELL.

I know Edwards has since apologized for his involvement. I know Obama wasn't in the Senate at the time, so how could we know who he would have sided with. But, as long as we're judging people by the company they keep....

Do people REALLY find this less disturbing than Obama (along with both Clintons, Durbin, Biden, Boxer, John Lewis, Max Cleland, and most of the rest of the party) endorsing Lieberman in the 2006 Connecticut primary?

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

1. He's the Mitt ROmney

Of the Democratic Field. He used to be a conservative Democrat when he was Senator of a conservative State, just like Romney used to be a liberal Republican when he was Governor of a liberal State.

[SheilaT]

2. The fact that Edwards has repeatedly

said he was wrong makes a difference.

There is no perfect candidate out there. They all have flaws. No matter who our nominee is, he or she will have plenty to provide the Republicans with to slam them. But in the end, each and every one of us must start by supporting whichever candidate we feel most closely offers the future we want, and in the end we should vote for the nominee, whoever the nominee is.

I do think that all of the many posts which purport to say (sometimes somewhat obliquely) that candidate so-and-so isn't worthy of our support because of this or that. I hate the way Democrats are so willing to turn on each other.

[bunnies]

4. Would you feel that way had he been President at the time?

I doubt it. "I'm Sorry" doesnt resurrect the dead. The evidence was there... see PNAC.

[Bicoastal]

10. Look, I'll be honest--I was shocked by this.

I was reading somebody trash Obama for saying something nice about Lieberman in 2006, so I was curious to see what Edwards involvement was (or ever had been) with Lieberman. There was nothing about Lieberman vs. Lamont in his Wikipedia bio, but lo and behold, I found out that Edwards participation in pro-Iraq war legislation extended far beyond the "Yea or Nay" stage--far beyond simply Joe Lieberman, in fact.

I've always been impressed with Edwards, and I still sorta like him--but now I want an Edwards-supporter to explain to me why this sort of behavior gets a free pass in the judgment department.

[KittyWampus]

29. The fact Edwards invested in a Hedge Fund also makes a difference. It indicates he's a fake

who will say anything. He is pandering now to progressives because they're the group easiest to milk for money ala Howard Dean.

The fact Edwards also used his charity to fund his early trips to Iowa and NH also makes a difference.

[FrenchieCat]

3. You "HERE" link isn't working for me!

But, yeah.......Edwards was one of the biggest chickenhawks of the era.

The Three years later apology shouldn't reward Edwards with a entry to the Highest office in the land. Period.

[Crunchy Frog]

28. It's got a couple extra of these // in it.

Here's the right address. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:SJ00046:@@@P:

[AzDar]

5. He has said he was wrong, and seems to be the only person willing to withdraw all troops within a

set time-frame.
Meanwhile, Hillary not only hasn't admitted her mistake, but also signed on to Kyl-Lieberman (or 'Disaster in the Desert II').
Bang that war drum, baby....

[babylonsister]

8. Hadn't you heard?

She just 'promised' to get the troops out in 60 days, if she's elected. Heard it with my own ears, though I haven't a clue how she plans on doing so-I doubt that's physically possible. The message changes daily.

[sandnsea]

24. Are you serious?

She really said that?

:wow:

[babylonsister]

31. I swear, earlier on CSPAN. I imagine we might hear it tonight, or not.

She's sounding desperate.

[Sparkly]

33. NO, she did not say that. nt

[IndianaGreen]

6. You are telling us something that we already know. Edwards repented. Hillary didn't!

Hillary also voted to give Bush the green light to bomb Iran by strongly supporting Kyl-Lieberman.

Obama did endorse and gave money to the Ned Lamont campaign after Lamont became the Democratic nominee. The Clintons were AWOL.

[Snotcicles]

7. David Bonior has gotten past it, so should you.nt

[FrenchieCat]

11. Why?

I don't believe in rewarding politicians who took the safe route when our nation was on its way to a war. Bonior, a politician, does.


John Edwards has my personal forgiveness as of 2005, but not my vote to reward him for his total lack of judgement when it counted.

Co-Sponsored means actively working towards that bill getting past. That is much more than simply voting for the bill. It is a big difference that many would prefer not to acknowledge.

[Andy823]

19. Wow

You said:"I don't believe in rewarding politicians who took the safe route when our nation was on its way to a war."

That's great, so what about all the votes Obama has missed in this time of war? Are you going to "reward" him, or just ignore everything he has done? Seems like to many Obama supporters overlook everything like this, why is that? His missed voted mean something, his votes to keep on funding the war, excpet the one he and Hillary "waited" till they knew it wouldn't pass to vote on, show he is just as bad as, maybe worse, than someone who voted for the Iraq war, and then had the guts to admit he was wrong! Does Obama ever admit he was "wrong" to miss those votes????

I am sure you will just ignore the point here, and attack Edwards, but then that's life! :eyes:

[frazzled]

20. David Bonior is being paid as campaign manager

I just wanted to suggest you put that into your pipe and smoke it.

This isn't all about altruism. It's a job for him. (I'm not saying he is not supportive of Edwards, independently, just that you have to remember that he is an employee of the campaign; what, he's going to say 'not good enough, John?").

[Snotcicles]

32. Who is your candidate? nt

[sueh]

9. Yawn.

[MalloyLiberal]

12. God you're getting repetitive

[Snotcicles]

13. It's a slow day if we don't get at least three of these. nt

[FrenchieCat]

14. Good for the repetition...

We can forgive, but we can never forget!

I don't reward mistakes....although I can forgive them.

[Bicoastal]

15. This wasn't a "Yea or Nay" vote--this was active participation in Iraq War legislation...

Are you saying this isn't a serious mark against Edwards, no matter HOW he felt about the War years later?

And bear in mind, I wasn't informed about this until today--until today, Obama and Edwards were pretty much equal in my eyes.

[FrenchieCat]

17. Here's more information for you.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3956050
The videos offered as links further down in the thread tells a tale that shows how long and how tenaciously Edwards rationaled and stood behind that vote....before losing an election and prepping his new run with a public apology. The apology was not so much to atone, but it was to try to clear the decks with hopes that he would be rewarded for extreme bad judgement when we needed intelligence and strength!

Further, Edwards was on the intelligence Committee; the same one led by Sen. Graham, who voted NO.

Also note Chaffee's comment on the other amendments available that would have curtailed the Blank check.....all which Edwards voted against.

The Senate’s Forgotten Iraq Choice
By LINCOLN D. CHAFEE
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/opinion/01chafee.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

[Hieronymus]

16. Most of us voted for Lieberman for VP in 2000... are we sorry? YES..

Did most of us vote for Edwards for VP in 2004? YES.

[Thrill]

18. Edwards is much like Romney

as he will say anything to be elected

[no name no slogan]

21. I resent you calling Strom Thurmond a ghoul.

Everybody knows damn well he's a ZOMBIE.

Please be more careful next time.

[sandnsea]

22. Edwards says all the right things

It's all about the red hot rhetoric - even while they dismiss Obama as nothing but rhetoric.

"Donnie McClurkin" is the 2003 verion of "he voted for the war". There wasn't one single Kerry or Edwards thread that didn't have, "he voted for the war" in it. For these same people to turn on a dime, well it really gives me whiplash. I don't get it.

[ananda]

23. Unlike Clinton, Edwards..

.. realizes and acknowledges that he was wrong.

He's moved to the left, and that's good enough
for me.

No one else is as far left as Edwards, and they
need to be.

[XemaSab]

25. He moved to the left WELL after he should have

It took him, what, 6 years of Bush/Cheney before he was like "Whoa, these dudes are Nazis! ZOMG!"

Whereas *most* of us knew they were bad news back in '99.

[smoogatz]

26. You don't understand. Back then, he was a red-state Democrat

trying to impress his constituents with his anti-Saddam toughness. Now he's running for the nomination of a party that's overwhelmingly against the war. He didn't change—his circumstances did. It's kind of like Bush when he quit drinking. We're supposed to forget about all the stupid, boorish shit he did back in his drinking days because Billy Graham helped him find Jesus and give up the booze. It's the power of the conversion experience, baby!

[sojourner]

27. I do, yes. In 2002 Joe had only just been VP candidate. In 2006 he had shown his true colors.

Edwards has apologized for his vote. That's enough for me.

[SOS]

30. The AuMF vote

will have a strong influence on the outcome of the 2008 primaries.
The first evidence of that was Iowa.
MSNBC exit polls showed the Iraq War as the #1 concern of Democratic caucus participants.

The notion that the AuMF in Iraq vote is irrelevant in 2008 is false.
It will be a deciding factor.