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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:14 PM
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Poll question: Is the primary a done deal already?
Did Iowa set the momentum that's going to decide the whole race, as it did for Kerry?

Or is there still a chance Edwards or Clinton could win?
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:14 PM
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1. I hope not.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:48 PM
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26. oops posted in wrong place
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 08:13 PM by musicblind
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:16 PM
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2. after one primary? ?????
um, no.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:17 PM
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3. No. But Edwards needs to beat Clinton in NH or he is done.
He is polling a distant 3rd everywhere.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:46 PM
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35. Half.. thats 50%.. of the delegates are awarded in one day. And that day is not 2 days from now..
and it wasn't last week. That day is Feb 5th. There is no real campaigning yet in most of the Super Tuesday states. Please stop trying to diminish good candidates..ANY of them.. by two states results. By the way, my state has absolutely nothing in common with NH, and very little in common with Iowa. So let's wait and see. Please?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:37 PM
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38. You shouldn't be so effected by the opinion of one person on the internet
I am allowed to state my opinion here, and I choose to be a realist. Edwards is a distant 3rd in all the polls for every state that is being polled. If you want to think he can pull a victory out of that, go ahead.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:17 PM
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4. Clinton is still very dangerous, even if she loses NH and SC. I think Edwards is done.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:27 PM
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16. in spite of your propaganda, BUSH is dangerous, HRC is a democrat.
DUers can say she is a republican all they want but that is not, in fact, true.

Msongs
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:43 PM
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24. Um, "dangerous" in the sense of "a threat to my candidate," not "a threat to America."
She'd be a fine President.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:45 PM
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25. Were Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman also "Democrats"??
How about Jim "who put that dead racoon on my head?" Traficant??
Do you define "Democrat" by the letter "D" that someone puts after their name for political expediency, or by the agenda which that politician actually supports.

(And please - if Perry Logan is lurking - spare me the spam list where Hillary scored a 95% from the Organization of Useless Ratings Designed to Make DLC'ers Look Liberal.)
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:18 PM
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5. Our process has been stolen
not at the ballot box but with these hokey debates that have participants selected by the media. We should all be outraged!
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:19 PM
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6. yeah, it's over
sorry, but it is. You know, when a baseball team scores 10 runs in the first inning they still have 8 other innings to play, but the game is over.

That's what this is like.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:22 PM
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9. Good Analogy...
Kind of like your football team being down 30-0 at half time... The odds are slim... This is alternately amazing and frustrating to me...

I always said Hillary had a big nat'l lead but a loss in IA and NH could change the dynamic...Boy, has it...
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:28 PM
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17. her lead was based on two things
her name and her perceived ability to win.

Her name is still there, but her ability to win is now questioned.

Once Obama becomes a bigger name than her, it's all over.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:50 PM
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28. I wouldn't say Obama scored 10 runs in Iowa though.
Though it certainly was Strike One for Hillary.

And baseball rules should apply here. Three strikes and she should be out.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:19 PM
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7. Bookmark This Post
Barring a major gaffe or scandal Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee...I have resigned myself to that fact...It will hurt less that way...
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:21 PM
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DSB, I hate to hear you sounding so forlorn
don't give up hope yet. Things are hardly over.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:24 PM
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13. I Don't Want To Depress You, My Friend...I Apologize
But if I accommodate myself to the bad news it won't hurt so much....
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:26 PM
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15. I am not depressed, I remain hopeful.
Why get all worked up about something that might not even happen?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:42 PM
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34. DSB and Elizabeth, you are great people, and I truly feel
your dissapointment. However, don't give up yet, this is just starting. I'll admit I think an Obama win in NH is the beginning of the end for Hillary, but she's a very smart woman with a lot of resources, and she has what it takes to turn things around. Don't lose hope, yet.

However, if she does lose, I hope you will embrace Barack Obama and realize what a great candidate he is. You guys know you have first class seats waiting for you on the Obama train. :)
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JorgeTheGood Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:37 PM
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21. Double bookmark this thread ...
If OB is the nominee the dems will experience the biggest A$$-kicking in political history and hand the WH to the rupublicans for another 8 years and possibly forever.


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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:39 PM
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22. I might have to reconsider my personal belief that Iowa doesn't determine our nominee.
With no motivation other than the outcome of the Iowa causus, NH seems to be shifting en masse.

People like to vote for a winner, but this is a bit surprising.
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:21 PM
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8. It would be nice if
the rest of us (meaning more than 2 states) were involved in determining the Democrats' nominee.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:24 PM
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11. until super tuesday do not let the obamanistas bully you into submission
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 07:25 PM by msongs
based on votes while they were both in congress there is hardly a spit of difference between them.

nobody is the new messiah despite how some people act.

Msongs
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:06 PM
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30. Thank you. I needed that.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:24 PM
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12. Yep, I agree.
I feel useless.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:23 PM
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10. No way - anything could happen
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 07:24 PM by gristy
Even if nothing out of the ordinary happens, things could shift as we go along.
And the possibility of something extraordinary happening and influencing the voters is always there.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:30 PM
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18. This Is Like Sports
Anything can happen but the most likely outcome is that Barack Obama wins...

He has the wind at his back and is being buoyed by the main stream media...I have never seen the press so in one candidate's corner since I read Theodore White's book " The Making Of The President" where he wrote how the media used to ride in the press bus with Jack Kennedy in 1960 and laugh at Richard Nixon...
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:26 PM
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14. It's not over by a long shot! If this were Feb. 6th, I'd say differently!
Iowa rarely nominates the final winner. Did they this time? It's way too soon to know.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:36 PM
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20. It sure did for kerry....and it looks like presently obama has a similar surge
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:40 PM
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23. Yes it looks good for Obama, but there are a lot of other states
to go. A lot of you thought it was awful when anyone said anything agains Obama in the past, but it's different now. Not only the other Dems are going to be pointing out his flaws, but so are the Pubs. It really isn't over yet. let's have some patients and see.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:32 PM
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19. Not until Obama wins big on Super Tuesday.
Edwards is pretty much done, it seems.
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:49 PM
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27. I am for Obama
but Super Tuesday has ALOT of delegates. Super Tuesday will be be more of an indicator.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:58 PM
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29. Obama only needs one or two big states...nt
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:12 PM
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31. Opinion but ...
Look, here's the reality. According to real clear politics. Clinton is up 20 points in Nevada, up 20 points in Michigan, and up 25 points in Florida over Obama. Obama will win Iowa, and NH. And those wins will give him a bump, but NO WIN will give anyone a 20 point bump. I think 10 to 15 points would be maximum bump a person could recieve. Clinton still stands a good chance of winning Nevada, Michigan, and Florida. After obama wins SC that will mean that each of them has won three states going into super tuesday. They may not have the same delegates, but they will have the moral victories behind them and looking equal. Then it is up to the nations public. It will probably be a toss up across the nation come Feb 5th (IMO). I think it is still anyone's ball game.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:37 PM
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32. Good analysis.
Do you think Edwards will still be in the running when Nevada, Michigan and Florida roll around?

And, what was Kerry's bump in those states, following Iowa up til the vote? I don't know if that info is handy, but I don't recall...
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:41 PM
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33. Plainly speaking, if we pick our next president based on primaries in two very small states....
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 09:42 PM by suston96
...we are in big trouble. I thought the electoral college debacle in 2000 taught us something.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:00 PM
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36. 1880 delegates needed?
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:23 PM
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37. Too early wait till Super Tuesday
We will know who wins at the end of Feb 5th, but not before.
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:49 PM
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39. This poll shows that as of now
77% of people on DU have no clue whats going on.
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