Is OBama being attacked because he brings Hope to VOTERS? Shouldn't he be stopped or something?

[FrenchieCat]

I mean the guy is a out of control HOPEMONGER,
and Deadly Dangerous to our Democracy, NON?

:shrug:

[jlake]

1. He is not being attacked.

He has a cult of personality. No substance, signature issues, policy details ore reason to "hope" and "believe" in "change".
There is nothing there if one is not naive enough to fall for the hoopla.

[leeman67]

2. gee sounds like what they said about Bill Clinton back in '92

no?

[jlake]

4. No, I do not remember woshipping of Bill Clinton on any level - let alone

the way Obama is seen as the second coming.

[NYCGirl]

7. And Howard Dean in '04. NT

[billbuckhead]

9. Clinton was elected governor 4 times in a tough state for Democrats

Obama beat Alan Keyes

[niceypoo]

68. No

There was no "cult of personality" with Bill Clinton. He also didn't run on empty slogans and emotional appeals.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Here at DU, folks that would normally be progressive and would normally

support GTVO efforts are deriding motivated voters as a "CULT".

I find that to be giant turn off.....because they are into any means to an end. The end is that they are jealous in a very petty and dangerous way in reference to Obama's appeal.

I find that gross and makes me want to :puke:

[msongs]

12. yes everybody that disagrees with obama or his supporters is dangerous. sure they are nt

[FrenchieCat]

15. I think that it is dangerous to attempt to ridicule those who understand

Obama's message as a cult.

It is not only stupid, it is dangerous as well.

It is not a reasonable means to any justifiable end.

[robbedvoter]

55. They are haters, all. How can they not love "my" candidate - the only loveable one

How can they not see the light? I so hate those haters!

[jlake]

14. No, I am not jealous of Obama's appeal -

it scares me. People are in love with an IMAGE and SYMBOL with no substance behind it.
It is no different than people liking George Bush because "He's a good Christian who loves America" ....there is not truth to that, but that
is the image that he created....and it scares me that people cannot see through his BS....the same scares me about Obama. ...he has not
offered me a single specific thing to be hopeful about.

[FrenchieCat]

21. Be very afraid then.....

Because in your book, Hope is something to run from, obviously.

It shouldn't threaten you like this...

and if it does, then I have to say that you have a real problem on your hand....and in your mind.

The man is a real HOPEMONGER! Be very afraid! :scared:

I know you didn't do this for me. You did this -- you did this because you believed so deeply in the most American of ideas -- that in the face of impossible odds, people who love this country can change it.

I know this. I know this because while I may be standing here tonight, I'll never forget that my journey began on the streets of Chicago doing what so many of you have done for this campaign and all the campaigns here in Iowa, organizing and working and fighting to make people's lives just a little bit better.

I know how hard it is. It comes with little sleep, little pay and a lot of sacrifice. There are days of disappointment. But sometimes, just sometimes, there are nights like this; a night that, years from now, when we've made the changes we believe in, when more families can afford to see a doctor, when our children -- when Malia and Sasha and your children inherit a planet that's a little cleaner and safer, when the world sees America differently, and America sees itself as a nation less divided and more united, you'll be able to look back with pride and say that this was the moment when it all began.

This was the moment when the improbable beat what Washington always said was inevitable.

This was the moment when we tore down barriers that have divided us for too long; when we rallied people of all parties and ages to a common cause; when we finally gave Americans who have never participated in politics a reason to stand up and to do so.

This was the moment when we finally beat back the policies of fear and doubts and cynicism, the politics where we tear each other down instead of lifting this country up. This was the moment.

Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment, this was the place where America remembered what it means to hope. For many months, we've been teased, even derided for talking about hope. But we always knew that hope is not blind optimism. It's not ignoring the enormity of the tasks ahead or the roadblocks that stand in our path.

It's not sitting on the sidelines or shirking from a fight. Hope is that thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us if we have the courage to reach for it and to work for it and to fight for it.

Hope is what I saw in the eyes of the young woman in Cedar Rapids who works the night shift after a full day of college and still can't afford health care for a sister who's ill. A young woman who still believes that this country will give her the chance to live out her dreams.

Hope is what I heard in the voice of the New Hampshire woman who told me that she hasn't been able to breathe since her nephew left for Iraq. Who still goes to bed each night praying for his safe return.

Hope is what led a band of colonists to rise up against an empire. What led the greatest of generations to free a continent and heal a nation. What led young women and young men to sit at lunch counters and brave fire hoses and march through Selma and Montgomery for freedom's cause.

Hope -- hope is what led me here today. With a father from Kenya, a mother from Kansas and a story that could only happen in the United States of America.

Hope is the bedrock of this nation. The belief that our destiny will not be written for us, but by us, by all those men and women who are not content to settle for the world as it is, who have the courage to remake the world as it should be.

That is what we started here in Iowa and that is the message we can now carry to New Hampshire and beyond.

The same message we had when we were up and when we were down; the one that can save this country, brick by brick, block by block, (inaudible) that together, ordinary people can do extraordinary things.

Because we are not a collection of red states and blue states. We are the United States of America. And in this moment, in this election, we are ready to believe again.

Thank you, Iowa.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/politics/ny-usobam0105-transcript,0,7073760.story?page=2

[Cha]

You sound like

you're talkin' about your avatar.

[Laurab]

60. Quite an insult to Obama-backers, there.

Not surprisingly, I can see why from your avatar. I don't like HRC's "substance, policy details", and she gives me no hope as a candidate. I'm not all THAT naive, and I don't think I fell for any "hoopla" either. In fact, I can read, and I've studied all the candidates.

If you're interested in Obama's "substance, signature issues and policy issues", you can always check them out at barackobama.com, and if you want to learn even more, he's written a couple of pretty decent books. I think you'd find you're mistaken.

[regnaD kciN]

3. Yep! Voters need to wake up, get rid of false hope, and realize...

...that their only role is to decide which Beltway-anointed centrist will be our choice to guide our nation for the benefit of Corporate America for the next four to eight years.

:sarcasm:

[Beausoir]

5. What kind of hope is he bringing? Please be as specific as you can be.

[FrenchieCat]

10. Well since you don't have a clue.....

But have been posting all day as a negative and jealous soul in reference to the success of the OBama campaign in getting voters out to vote, here:

You can read about it here, IF you really want to know....which I don't really think that you want to.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/politics/ny-usobam0105-transcript,0,7073760.story?page=2

[Beausoir]

66. What a cheap, tawdry response. You know NOTHING about my soul.

Your response tells me alot about you.

Despite your puppy love over Obama, I doubt he would even acknowledge you.

C'mon. For fuck sakes! Get serious about the issues and get serious about your country!

[K Gardner]

6. I'm glad you posted these incredible pics under their own OP.

[ClericJohnPreston]

11. Yes, Frenchie...try being specific!

By the way, nice immitation of a Conservative Rovian push poll thread question!

[FrenchieCat]

17. Like, who in the fuck are you?

Did someone die and made you my lead critic or something? :wtf:

Please go back to the end of the line, and wait your turn.

[ClericJohnPreston]

24. Someone apparently more lucid

than you. Dropping the "F" bomb? Tsk, tsk.

Having a meltdown?

Why not try writing something substantive, without resort to links or using someone elses words.

Otherwise, "critics" like me will wonder if this isn't all cult related distorted perspective. You see, what YOU want to see, guided ably by a campaign that is trying to invoke the shadow of JFK now.

Give me substance, not numbers.

GWB was elected twice. Did that make those who voted him in, correct? He was affable. He was a guy you wanted to have a beer with. He gave people hope.

Look at how that lesson in personality driven selection worked.

My question is, who will fight these F'in CORPORATIONS and RETHUGLICANS and drive them back to the Stone Age? A man who will make nice, or one that HATES THEM.

I'll take Edwards, thank you.

[K Gardner]

27. Unfortunately, Mr Cleric, you may take Edwards but with your attitude, he might not take you.

You just can't brow beat someone into supporting your candidate. JE learned the powers of persuasion and became one of the best trial lawyers and advocates for the poor and disenfranchised this country has ever seen. Watch and listen.. and let those who will come to him, come to him. Obama is one of the most precious assets this country has right now. They are both great men, each in their own way.

I support Edwards, too, by the way. :-)

[Pastiche423]

43. How and when did johnnyboy advocate for the poor?

[K Gardner]

46. Don't freakin start with me. I wasn't talking to you and I'm not dissing YOUR candidate.

I'm sick of this petty attack bullshit. If I can put aside my differences to stand up for someone I'm not personally supporting, why in the name of god or whomever would you jump in here and diss me and diminish my candidate with a snarky attack? Nevermind. I'm sure you have an answer.

[Pastiche423]

69. I asked a question

A question is not "petty attack bullshit". Why won't you simply answer? Is it because you don't know the answer?

Btw, I do not have a candidate.

[FrenchieCat]

30. I have meltdowns all of the time........

Do you have a problem with that? Especially when I'm dealing with stupidity.

I don't give a flying fuck what words you use to express yourself, and I'd prefer that you try not to censor me, thank you.

How is Edwards specifically gonna bring about changes? Does he say? He's gonna "fight"! What in the hell does that mean? Please give me the specifics on how Johnny Go will get that accomplished. Will he rule as a dictator and fight the corporations by decree, or has he said that he'll go to the Bully Pulpit and convince Americans to back him up...and speak throught the Ballot box? What has Edwards said in terms of how he will bring about change that is any different from what Obama has been saying all along?

Edwards couldn't even get the only Bill that he touts as his accomplishment through congress. LOL!
and you talk about show you specifics! Ha! :rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

13. Thought I would have to......

cause when I posted elsewhere, the cynical naysayers and foes to our democracy were letting the threads sink....cause they could not muster up a reply sufficient without showing out their petty jealousy.

[jlake]

16. Why is everyone who is not behind Obama "dangerous" and "foes to our democracy"

.......These sound like the things Bush said about people against him....hmmmmmm

[FrenchieCat]

19. Those who likens Obama supporters to a CULT

are assholes and are a menace to this society. Period.

[jlake]

20. Again....echoes of Bush....no defense so cast your opponents as enemies of democracy

....I can feel the Hope.... Change... New Kind of Politics ...AMEN!

[FrenchieCat]

23. If you don't understand that large numbers of voters brought to the ballot Box is what

will turn this country around, and make ideas into reality,
and if you are too lazy to read Obama's policy position (in this day of the Internet),

then maybe your are worse than Bush or at the least, just as stupid. :shrug:

[jlake]

26. I have read his policy (non)positions. He is full of BS

It does not matter how many people vote for him if he is ineffective and willing to sell ME down the river for political expediency.
He has already promised to roll over for the Republicans.
Thanks for the great personal attack on me since you don't agree......you and O are just like Republicans. ...you lose on the issues so it is personal attacks.

[FrenchieCat]

38. Please tell me where Obama stands

on Foreign policy in reference to NATO, since you know.

And he proved the effectiveness of his entire point that change is made by a plurality at the ballot box just last Thursday.

How did who you support "prove" his/her effectiveness? Please elaborate and be "specific". Thanks!

[jlake]

40. it does not matter how many votes he get if he cannot accomplish anything

once elected.....all of his supporters won't be there when he needs to work with congress and stand up to lobbyists....do you understand that?
I understand people want a change candidate....the point is that Obama is NOT truly a change candidate.

I supported Joe Biden....and I know where he stands on the issues - even his positions I do not agree with.
he has accomplished more than anyone remaining in the race.

[FrenchieCat]

47. You are jumping the gun, aren't you......

It takes a majority to elect anyone (except for Bush in 2000)--

That same majority certainly can have a voice, and members of congress can certainly lose their job if they don't get with the Obama program pronto.

Amazing that one would not understand that a functioning Democracy when functioning as it should is about "we the people".

Sad that you don't get it.

But I feel that more than enough do. Those you refer to as a cult. Guess that Cult is called U.S. Voters, hey? :shrug:

[jlake]

49. Don't be daft. Of course I know what it takes to get into office if you're not

Bush. The point is: 100% of voters could choose Obama. I think the game he talks is far different from what he will deliver.
He will buckel and fold like a cheap tent on CORE Democratic values.

[FrenchieCat]

56. Those are your pessimistic projections.....

Obama has policy proposals, just like all of the other candidates.

You don't seem to understand what governing by a large mandate truly means.
You don't seem to understand anything, really.

You are, as I could have guessed, HOPEless. Sad for you, but true.

[jackson_dem]

63. This post is a prime example of Obama's cult

If you disagree with the One True Candidate you are a "menace to this society" and must be destroyed.

[K Gardner]

18. ERROR: You've already recommended that thread.

[bagimin]

22. Stop him! before he inspires us to the Presidency! n/t

[fenriswolf]

25. Is OBama being attacked because he brings Hype to VOTERS?

[ClericJohnPreston]

28. BINGO!!!

[Cha]

31. No, but thanks for

playin'.

[FrenchieCat]

33. No......there is no Hype.....

how do you logically come to that conclusion?

Obama is stating that it will take voters to make their voices heard to bring about real change.

Where is the Hype.

Iowa was Hype?

I don't think so.

You're just don't like the fact that he is effective at getting done what he said he would do....turn out voters. I'm not sure why you don't like it, but it smells petty.

[fenriswolf]

34. no wrong

i just don't like his policies very much and i thought it was a clever turn of phrase. but very good job at defending him, glad to see he can get people to rally around him. maybe in a year or two we will be driving cars made from liqued coal. and just maybe we will finally get that constitutional admendment thing about gay marriage put into our most holiest of holy documents at the behest of obamas backers.

[FrenchieCat]

37. I think you are totally exaggerating and propagandizing against

Barack Obama simply because you support another candidate more....which I guess is OK in politics...but know that you are being very transparent.

You are, by association, transferring what is not attributable to Obama on to Obama....and you are being silly. In other words, you are no bigger or better than some of the lowest.

---------------

I don't like the policies of other Dem politicians as much as I like those of Obama either.....
So I guess we are even.

[fenriswolf]

39. your right good call out

usually im not so negative and catty but you jumped into the defense so quickly i couldnt help but fullfill your wishes as a flamebait post. I do however have to agree i am not a obama supporter and i do not agree with some of his policies and the company he keeps. cheers.

as per that last comment....ouch.

and so you like obamas policies better then DK? i mean where talking policies not policies of a candidate that might be elected.

[FrenchieCat]

45. No, I like DK fine......

I don't have a real problem with any of the Dem candidates in reference to them being able to list all of what's wrong with America today.....or the policies that they propose so much.....

but what I'm looking for is who can actually get changes made, cause that's the key...
I am unimpressed with hearing generalities such as we are "gonna" fight? What does this mean?
or this is how it will be when I'm President, cause it doesn't answer how will you get what you want done?

I believe that Obama's approach which is to effectively organize and galvanize voters to the ballot box where we can have a loud voice. This is simple, if it can be done, because it is the most rational, logical and realistic way to get things done in the type of a society in which we live. That's how our democracy works most effectively....rather than calling for a revolution that won't be televised.

I know that Obama is progressive based on his lifetime body of work. and So, I know that the changes that he will institute, when he becomes President, will be changes that "we the people" will have demanded. That his whole point. Plus, his policies are good and sound.

[Skip Intro]

52. Hello! nt

[Cha]

29. But, according to

hillary..it could be False Hope! That right there is enough to put the kibosh on it.

[wisteria]

32. Nothing wrong with hope. Just as long as it is real and not false hope.

Just remember, no one man or woman can accomplish anything just on wishing alone.

[FrenchieCat]

35. That is correct.....it will take all of us, which is exactly the point

that Obama makes, and the point that folks understand and believe...which is why they are showing up at the polls; to make their voice heard.

That's what is so beautiful about Obama's message on this; it is a self-fullfilling prophecy....

He preaches the exact opposite of apathy and what that leads to!
“The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men” - Plato

[Avalux]

41. if people are inspired to believe they can change things, they will.

A real leader inspires with hope.

[femrap]

50. All I've done for the past seven years is HOPE....

and look where it hasn't gotten this country. I want ACTION. I want CONVICTION. I want my Democracy back. I want criminals impeached. I want these Corporate Pigs corralled back into their pens. I'm tired of hoping. At least he can do is BELIEVE.

Obama makes nice speeches, but I just don't see the substance. He would make a good preacher. I wonder who he has on staff as speech writers...

[Fredda Weinberg]

36. He's a pinball wizard ... there has to be a twist,

I'm only half kidding - enjoy the spectacle.

[autorank]

42. So he's the "man from hope";)

[FrenchieCat]

59. Not so much as the deadly out of control Hopemonger.....

He simply understands how Democracy works and is able to articulate such. He is telling us that hope has to be backed up with action to get to where we want to go, or apathy will give us what we truly deserve.

“Apathy can be overcome by enthusiasm, and enthusiasm can only be aroused by two things: first, an ideal, with takes the imagination by storm, and second, a definite intelligible plan for carrying that ideal into practice.”-Arnold Toynbee

“The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men”-Plato


“There can be no transforming of darkness into light and of apathy into movement without emotion”-Jung

“The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy” - Charles de Montesquieu


"The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.”- Robert M. Hutchins


“So much attention is paid to the aggressive sins, such as violence and cruelty and greed with all their tragic effects, that too little attention is paid to the passive sins, such as apathy and laziness, which in the long run can have a more devastating effect.”- Eleanor Roosevelt

“Hope is not a dream but a way of making dreams become reality.”

[Bitwit1234]

44. I don't understand how people say he is bringing hope

the man has done nothing. All he does is give good written speeches. His record in the senate is terrible. He misses more time than he is there. And when he was in the state senate they say all he did was vote present.

I really believe that what one of his ex-clerks said is true. The clerk said that Obama had plans to run for president while he was in the state senate. That he looked around for a crew to get the plans started. And his run for the federal senate was in preparation to run for president. And after he was handed the senate seat, he really started in earnest. That his whole time in the senate has been spent on getting things ready and approaching doners. I suppose that's why he never shows up to vote he has been busy the last two years getting his campaign ready. One thing he has learned how to work a crowd. He does nothing and makes people think he is something. \

I would love like hell for any of his kiss uppers show what he has done, what he has really done for any of his crowd in Illinois since he took office. Show me write it all down. Tell us what a wonderful job he has done. I can tell you that he is making fun of one of the best senators in congress. The senator who made it possible for him to stay out of the senate and make a run for the white house. He calls Ted Kennedy names. And like I said if it hadn't been for Ted Kennedy he wouldn't be in the senate today. So, we see this person really appreciates what people have done for him. I guess the more you do the more he slams you.

[AtomicKitten]

48. It appears the people may prevail after all.

Gobama.

[Skip Intro]

51. No, and he's not being attacked.

Asking what he means by "hope" is not an attack.

If Hillary was using "wish" as her slogan, she'd be pummelled mercilessly.

Hope=Wish.

Sorry, Hallmark words do not a great president make.

[KoKo]

53. We've had HOPE our DEMS would do something about Bush/Cheney...Hope doesn't go far

unless there's back up. It doesn't put food on the table or pay your medical bills. It doesn't stop your job from going offshore to countries along with your tax dollars in aid to the very same companies taking your job. It doesn't educate your children and it doesn't do much except have folks waiting for a savior or hero to do something about a desperate situation.

Bill Clinton ran on the "Man from Hope." Where the hell are we after all that HOPE. Obama needs to move on to what he's going to do to bring that CHANGE he sees with his HOPE. Will he get rid of NAFTA or at leas REVISE IT to get out the worst parts. Will he immediately UNDO the most aggregious of Bush/Cheneys actions against the Constitution with an EXECUTIVE ORDER so we don't have to keep fiddling with "Hope" from this DO NOTHING CONGRESS!

Let's here Obama talk about what went wrong under Bush/Cheney and the FIRST STEPS HE WILL TAKE TO CHANGE IT AND ROLL BACK BUSH/CHENEY POLICIES WITH A STROKE OF HIS PEN....then I will figure HOPE was a "good thing."

[robbedvoter]

54. It's just that it's...the wrong kind of hope, you see? Lover not fighter, no specifics

besides, he is not apologizing enough...so there! :+

[ClericJohnPreston]

57. Frenchie, who doesn't like a candidate because he is the one standing up for true change in America?

Sorry, I couldn't resist playing Frenchie flame baiter, histrionic, over-the-top poster, at least once in this obnoxious thread.

Gee, no answers about the clerk response above? No answers about his absences from Congress? Not able to understand Edwards was a Senator while Buschco ruled the White House, in asking what he had accomplished? What has Obama done, besides forcing Lobbyists to eat standing up?

What of Obama and his lets be friendly with insurance companies. Being a Trial lawyer, that nauseates me. You can't be nice with these Corporate monsters. But, why let objectivity get in the way of your Peter Sellers, "Being There" candidate, when you can project anything on to a BLANK SLATE.

[robbedvoter]

58. And yet, somehow, it's my post you answer - kinda making my snark more deserved

[FrenchieCat]

61. Wow! 3 days here, and you certainly know who's who......

So whatever...but thanks for playing! :eyes:

[ClericJohnPreston]

62. I'm a quick learner. That and your name comes up one trillion times about Obama.

Doesn't make it hard to find you.

And you still didn't address the substantive counter-arguments.

[FrenchieCat]

65. You are only the 2nd person off my list......

how do you like that?

oh, and welcome!

Enjoy your stay! :hi:

[ClericJohnPreston]

67. Only a two year old....

clasps their hands over their ears and makes nonsense sounds, because they don't want to hear something.

Typical cultist. You can't stand any mirror into your fantasy beliefs.

It is called, COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!

[Clanfear]

64. He should be stopped

Because he essentially just stopped the campaign of Hillary. She's done.

[jillan]

70. If Obama wins NH, there will be NO stopping him.

He is amazing.