What does a loss in NH mean for Hillary Clinton?

[Colobo]

Poll question: What does a loss in NH mean for Hillary Clinton?

I will be asking the same thing about Obama and Edwards.

[K Gardner]

1. I just think its a bit premature to print obituaries when TWO small states have voted.

Not participating because its ridiculous. Nothing personal, Katz.. :yourock:

[robbedvoter]

2. Major, not fatal. It makes super Tuesday relevant again.

[Fluffdaddy]

22. agree

[JVS]

3. More time in the Senate

[jlake]

4. Major, but far from fatal. 2 states are not crucial....Super Tuesday we'll see

where things stand. ...But Obama does have serious momentum going on

[suston96]

5. A major setback.....

She is one delegate behind Obama and only one ahead of Edwards. Disastrous stats fer sure.

[Lucinda]

34. Actually she is currently ahead of Obama in delegates

[Occam Bandage]

38. So was Dean on this day four years ago, by similar margins. Superdelegates are worthless.

[Redbear]

6. Iowa and NH could have clinched things for her

Now its a real contest!

[Colobo]

7. For some reason, I think it would be very hard to stop Obama if he won big

in NH.

[mtnsnake]

8. I think a loss would be just what the doctor ordered for her. It would give her an adrenaline kick

and that would spur her on to immediate success the rest of the way.

The worst thing that could happen to her would be to slack off later on, so if she gets stung once or twice early, it'll keep her on her toes the rest of the way. yeah

[cmaff05]

10. Fact

A candidate who has won both Iowa and New Hampshire has never NOT won their party's nomination. That's a pretty damning fact.

[mtnsnake]

12. Fact

There has never been a woman candidate who has lost Iowa and NH and gone on to lose the nomination.

[Colobo]

15. LOL!

[regnaD kciN]

17. Ever hear of Carol Mosely Braun...?

She lost both Iowa and N.H., and went on to lose the nomination. (I believe the same is true of Shirley Chisholm in 1972, but I don't know if Iowa's caucuses were held that early back then.)

More to the point, there's never been a woman candidate who has lost Iowa and N.H. and gone on to win the nomination.

[Alexander]

41. You mean like Shirley Chisholm, Pat Schroeder and Carol Moseley-Braun?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bornskeptic]

25. Not a fact.

Ed Muskie won both in 1972, but George McGovern was nominated.

[skipos]

Yikes! This glass must appear full to you:

If Clinton loses NH, she will certainly lose SC. Obama would need to be caught with a hooker to pull out a win from that.

[Occam Bandage]

37. I think this glass would look full to them.

[skipos]

39. I think most Hillary supporters are more realistic than mtn

but that was funny none the less!

[Occam Bandage]

43. mtn ain't a real Hillary supporter, by the way.

;)

[mtnsnake]

46. Oh really? And why would that be?

Spell it out for me. I'm gonna be interested in this one.

[mtnsnake]

45. That glass is full

Hey, skipos, you better be careful if you drink from that. It's got a crack right across the middle! :evilgrin:

[skipos]

32. Yikes! This glass must appear full to you:

If Clinton loses NH, she will certainly lose SC. Obama would need to be caught with a hooker to pull out a win from that.

[creeksneakers2]

9. Depends on how she loses

If she comes in third behind Edwards she'll be in much more trouble. She can come in second to Obama and hope to bounce back in Nevada. If Edwards beats her she'll be seen as rejected goods. She could still come back, but it would be a long shot.

[Breeze54]

11. On to the next state! South Carolina?

:shrug:

[Colobo]

13. She would go there severly wounded, I think...

[Breeze54]

16. It's not over until the fat lady sings and HRC won't win SC but she'll keep going!

;)

[Kucinich4America]

The day Hillary wins South Carolina is the same day Satan opens a ski resort

:evilgrin: :evilgrin:

Now on the other hand, if Edwards doesn't take SC, he's not going to look too good either, but right now, I'd say it's a tossup between him and Obama. Whichever one of those two takes New Hampshire will have the advantage in SC.

[Breeze54]

29. Well; SC can't seem to decide either! (read this article!)

http://www.scnow.com/midatlantic/scp/news.apx.-content-articles-BTW-2008-01-06-0001.html

[regnaD kciN]

14. Once again, it depends on what you mean as a "loss"...

If she failed to win, but finished second by a whisker, it would be a minor setback at worst.

If she lost by a large margin, it would be a major setback.

If she wound up not only losing by a large margin, but getting passed by Edwards for second-place, I'd say she's pretty much through.

[Capn Sunshine]

18. No matter what, Hill's got the $ to stay in until Feb 5

Post New Hampshire, where she's trailing by up to 13 pts to the frontrunner, a LOT of her sycophants will jump ship, because in their view, they didn't sign up to be losers.

Once the organization comes apart, she my see the writing on the wall, Say by March.

[JackORoses]

26. if she loses by double digits in NH and SC, there will be lots of pressure for her to bow out

[Kahuna]

19. I go with option two. I still think it would be premature to count her out.

I wish it would be. But I know it won't.

[Hippo_Tron]

20. Well it'll be interesting to see what happens in Nevada

She's had a huge lead there for the entire season. If Obama's Iowa and New Hampshire momentum wins him Nevada that's the nail in the coffin, IMO.

[Kucinich4America]

21. Do they use DIEBOLD in Nevada

And if so, does Reid Jr. know how to use a computer? ;)

[Egnever]

24. We have machines I am not sure who makes them

but they also run a paper printout that you verify before the vote is locked in.

[Kucinich4America]

27. Do they keep those paper printouts as an official record?

The printout seems like a reasonable idea on the level of the voting terminal itself. Probably still leaves vulnerabilities with the overall numbers in the central tabulator database, though.

[HooptieWagon]

23. Another big loss to Obama

and her viability as a presidential candidate is pretty much toast. But don't cry for her, her corporate sponsors and lobbyists will see that she's taken care of...

[Bitwit1234]

28. I guess the election this year must be the first one SOME people

have ever witnessed. Two minor states don't make an election. We know why Obama won in Iowa, altho his cult members won't admit it. And we also know why he will probably win in NH.

Kerry didn't win either state, Bush didn't win either state, and a heck of a lot of other real candidates didn't win either state but went on to win the nomination. So what is Iowa and NH, ego trips for the small states who wouldn't even be talked about if they didn't whine and moan because they can't vote first.

[Joe the Revelator]

30. Kerry didn't win Iowa or NH?

What?

[ButterflyBlood]

31. Uh, Kerry DID win Iowa and NH

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Colobo]

33. Who knows.

[Occam Bandage]

36. Both Kerry and Bush won Iowa. Kerry won NH, and Bush won SC, too.

[Occam Bandage]

35. Less than it would mean for Obama. For Edwards, it would mean as much as a bullet to a dead dog.

[ecstatic]

40. I think she'd lose african american voters nt

[MrSlayer]

42. Major but not fatal loss.

She's revved up for the Super Tuesday states. They will tell the tale.

[AtomicKitten]

44. It puts her on deck for another loss in South Carolina.