Has anyone ever lost IA and NH but won the nomination?

[usregimechange]

Not that I can recall. I think Clinton is done for if she loses NH, sadly Edwards may be as well. Just glad its Obama, of all the people to lose to... it would hurt so good!

[Nailzberg]

1. Bill Clinton

[Colobo]

5. But didn't Bill get a boost from his NH showing?

It seems like Hillary is in the opposite situation. She was suppossed to steamroll her opposition and she's getting spanked.

[Nailzberg]

11. He got a boost for finishing second.

No one thought he could. That's where he became the "Comeback Kid"

[Joe the Revelator]

14. It should also be noted that he wasn't the national frontrunner, and was not very well known

nt

[Josh]

20. He was at the time of NH - he was way ahead in national polls, but

it was his recovery in New Hampshire that stopped him bleeding after the Gennifer Flowers stuff.

[Joe the Revelator]

22. I don't know about that. Got any pre-NH polls from '92

I could be wrong.

[Josh]

27. I believe I read it in his or Sid Blumenthal's book -

also I saw someone post a poll here from around Feb '92 that had Clinton at 41% nationally but way down in NH. Expected to lose by double-digits, he came second by only 8, hence making him the 'Comeback Kid', heading into South Carolina, which he won and then swept the South.

Oddly enough the closest I could find online was this, which mentions he had become the frontrunner early on.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/democrat/clinton/campaign.92.shtml

I'll try to find something better soon! But I know for certain he was way up in national polls only to be falling behind in NH. This article makes a point of the fact that he had the best national organisation.

Cheers
Josh

[usregimechange]

9. He got going on super Tues? Or SC?

[slick8790]

10. Not the same thing.

Bill clinton didn't contest Iowa, nor did he hold a double digit lead in NH at any time. The fact that she contested both of them very heavily and stands to lose both of them should show that people do not want her.

[Nailzberg]

17. I do not disagree with you on that. It is quite a different situation.

Harkin was a lock on IA, so spending there would have been a waste. And the second place was an outstanding showing for the lesser known Bill Clinton and the major story out of NH.

Hillary did compete in IA, and is not a come-from-nowhere success story, so a second place finish for her is hard to call a victory. However, she has the money to stay in the race until Super Tuesday, so she doesn't need to win in NH or IA, although if she finishes behind Edwards and Obama, those national numbers will evaporate quickly.

I don't think she can beat them in SC, so for Hillary, she's got to perform in NV and NH to keep her national numbers afloat. At least that's my take, anyway.

[Bitwit1234]

2. Yep

Kerry most recently...bush did President Clinton did and I haven't gone back and looked those are just memory.

[sniffa]

4. you're close but so far off

:thumbsup:

[Nailzberg]

7. Kerry won IA and NH n/t

[Bluebear]

3. Bill Clinton

[rwheeler31]

6. History major?

[usregimechange]

12. Hardly, and got into politics in 2000.

[Clintonista2]

26. I'm pretty sure the poster was being sarcastic

Apparently detecting sarcasm is just as challenging as using google for some people...

[Breeze54]

8. Former President Bill Clinton

:P

[Perky]

Bill Clinton Did not run in Iowa in 1992 because Harkin was running

So he did not lose Iowa.

[usregimechange]

15. Damn, I heard you the first time!

:hi:

[Drunken Irishman]

No candidate has won Iowa and New Hampshire and lost the nomination.

[bornskeptic]

16. Ed Muskie won both in 1972. n/t

[Capn Sunshine]

19. The MSM used "inevitable" at the time regarding his candidacy.

we saw how far that got him.

[Drunken Irishman]

21. Muskie came in second in Iowa. ;)

Behind "Uncommitted". :D

[usregimechange]

23. Ha! Uphill it would be, super sized.

[skipos]

24. Are you sure about that? I thought Carter came in 2nd behind uncommited in 1976. nt

[Drunken Irishman]

25. We're talking '72.

[Perky]

13. Bill Clinton Did not run in Iowa in 1992 because Harkin was running

So he did not lose Iowa.

[Hippo_Tron]

18. Geroge McGovern and Bill Clinton, but...

That was before condensed primary schedules. If Obama wins New Hampshire, he will be unstoppable with this calendar.

[cali]

28. you're confused. It's that no one who's won both has ever lost the nomination n/t