So...wondering why Dennis Kucinich isn't crazy about Edwards?

[Bicoastal]

Here's your answer (cut and pasted from a FAQ e-mail to Kooch supporters, posted in GD):

"In answer to your questions about why I didn't support former Senator John Edwards on the second ballot in Iowa: I have serious concerns about his connections to a Wall Street hedge fund, Fortress Investment Group. While attacking others for accepting campaign money from Washington lobbyists, he is up to his ears in money from Wall Street special interests.

He made half a million dollars in a single year for attending a few meetings for Fortress and has invested a substantial part of his own personal wealth in the hedge fund whose portfolios are responsible for sub-prime predatory lending practices, Medicare privatization, and an entire range of corporate sharp dealings that are driving the middle class into poverty.

While I indicated Senator Obama as a preferred second choice in Iowa, Progressives have fundamental disagreements with him and all of the other Presidential candidates on most of their major positions on the issues."

Thoughts?

[MalloyLiberal]

1. This has been posted. And no one cares, he won't even support the Democrat.

He wouldn't even sign the pledge.

Dennis Kucinich is irrelevant, and if he doesn't start representing the people of Ohio instead of running for President constantly, he should face a primary like Joe Lieberman.

[Dhalgren]

2. To be fair, Dennis has run for President exactly as many times as

Edwards has - this time makes twice.

[Whisp]

5. speak for yourself, I care.

and he is not irrelevant. so there. :raspberry:

another thing that would stick in D's craw (as mine) is Edward's co-sponsorship and vote for the Iraq occupation.

[maxanne]

7. well gosh

if he's so irrelevant, why do you always appear on any thread mentioning him to say so? Clearly DK isn't all that irrelevant to you - you can't leave him alone!

[MalloyLiberal]

8. I think he needs to be primaried.

If we can throw Cynthia McKinney out of office, Kucinich can be primaried too.

[maxanne]

12. that isn't an answer

to my question.

You show up on every single Kucinich thread to talk about how unimportant he is. Clearly he is EXTREMELY important to you,
or you wouldn't go out of your way to find every single thread where he's mentioned. You're obsessed - what's up with that?

I don't think Malloy would be even slightly impressed with you.

[MalloyLiberal]

13. I don't give a shit what Mike Malloy fucking thinks!

I don't think Maxanne's like you too much either!

[maxanne]

14. thanks for clearing that up

you don't have anything meaningful to say - just mean spirited noise.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. Well what about a 401K I have that has some investments in things that I hate and stand against.....

.... I also buy products from Communist China, which are manufactured there, and were formerly manufactured here. Now those jobs are over there. What am I going to do with my 401K? There are only certain choices I have you know.

The problem is that we Americans all live in the U.S. and we do whatever we can with what we have here in the U.S. Hard to live a perfect life. Also, we're busy constantly working. Sometimes it's only by accident and years after, that I find out I've been engaging in an activity that promotes something I personally abhor.

I've tried my best to live by my principles and I do a pretty good job but I can't live a perfectly good job because it's impossible. Unless I leave this country all I can do is the best I can with the time I have available, and the knowledge I have at any one point in time. And yes, I'm going to F up and sometimes not be able to fix it.

Does that make any sense at all whatsoever?

[bluerum]

4. Not really. But thanks for mentioning it.

[0007]

6. Wow!! Don't know what to think. I indeed thought Edwards was on the

square and didn't once question his veracity. But shit!! That don't mean dick, I've been deceived and roped in by the best of the chick shits.

[frogmarch]

9. Please read

Blackhatjack's post #18 in response to Kuch's statements about Edwards:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2612541#2613858

[jackson_dem]

10. Dennis who?

[FrenchieCat]

11. YOu know.....

The guy with the constitution in his pocket, to provide to those who forget what that reads like.

[jackson_dem]

16. The guy who raised $6 million in one day?

Isn't he a Republican?

[silverojo]

15. Thoughts? DK is an asshole.

All you have to do is look at who's supporting Edwards' campaign NOW. It ain't Big Pharma, big insurance companies, or corporations. When a candidate refuses that kind of monetary support, he's walking his talk.

[Seabiscuit]

17. Dennis the Menace is just jealous ...

I like Dennis and agree with him on some issues, but he's starting to become annoying. There are so many issues he can be pounding the other candidates with, but he chooses Edwards to bash. Whatever dude. It's getting boring. :eyes: :eyes:

[Yuugal]

18. Maybe the next spaceship can beam him up

and take him to a planet where he is appreciated more. Planet Nader maybe. He also thought the progressive movement was genuine only when he was the guy talking about it.

[Bicoastal]

22. "Planet Nader"...odd you should say that.

Nader is for Edwards...remember?

[Yuugal]

26. So?

Nader is a turd who thinks the progressive movement isn't sincere unless he is leading it. I don't care if hes for Edwards or not. Kooch is the same way: its all about them and not the message.

[D23MIURG23]

19. My guess is that it's all about Iraq.

Kucinich also made some allusion to picking Ron Paul as a running mate (if I remember correctly) if he won the primary, which only makes sense in terms their agreements on Iraq and civil liberties. Basically I think he is mostly concerned with smacking down Bush-era war/fascism, and probably sees Edwards as a johnny-come-lately with too much enabling in his past.

The fact that Edwards courted his demographic more successfully than he did also may not have helped.

[rockybelt]

20. They're basically an assett management group

I wish I had that problem of selecting an assett management group.

I think that one of the astaff of the Kucincih group took it upon themselves to trash Edwards. Kucinich must know that ther is not much chance of beating Clinton, Obama or Edwards. Why ruin a chance of being in this administration (Whoever it is)?

[cali]

23. Sorry that's not what Fortress is.

It's a sadly underregulated entitity- as are all all hedge funds, and its chief purpose, like all hedge funds, is to shelter against taxes. Virtually all hedge funds arose out of and are located in one town- Greewich CT. And there are quite a few wealthy people who won't invest in them because they consider them unethical.

[saracat]

21. This was the disgusting raving of a jealous man who is a sellout.

[OzarkDem]

27. I disagree

and I admire both Kucinich and Edwards. Dennis holds candidates to an incredibly high standard, one that most of them would find difficult to meet. Dennis also holds himself to the same high standard, but as a result it limits his viability as a candidate.

[Azathoth]

24. My guess is it has to do with Clinton and Edwards trying to muscle him out of the debates early on

But that's just me :shrug:

[eridani]

25. BINGO!! Give tha man a cigar! n/t