More on Drudge's "Hillary's Exit" headline

[Colobo]

TALK OF HILLARY EXIT ENGULFS CAMPAIGNS
Mon Jan 07 2008 09:46:28 ET

Facing a double-digit defeat in New Hampshire, a sudden collapse in national polls and an expected fund-raising drought, Senator Hillary Clinton is preparing for a tough decision: Does she get out of the race? And when?!

"She can't take multiple double-digit losses in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada," laments one top campaign insider. "If she gets too badly embarrassed, it will really harm her. She doesn't want the Clinton brand to be damaged with back-to-back-to-back defeats."

Meanwhile, Democrat hopeful John Edwards has confided to senior staff that he is staying in the race because Hillary "could soon be out."

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Key players in Clinton's inner circle are said to be split. James Carville is urging her to fight it out through at least February and Super Tuesday, where she has a shot at thwarting Barack Obama in a big state. But others close to the former first lady now see no possible road to victory, sources claim.

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[trumad]

1. Is this from Drudge?

and if so---why the fuck are you posting it here?

[Colobo]

2. Because there is another post about it.

[TwilightZone]

8. So, you needed to make your own thread about it instead of adding it to the other?

Curious.

[Catchawave]

24. Can you link to the article and the other DU thread ? n/t

[YOY]

3. Agreed

Drudge is sludge...

[chascarrillo]

4. Defensive?

Look, there was a previous thread about the Drudge headline. It makes sense that people want to know what's up with it. If you read the article, it's clear that there's not much up with it at all.

Simmer down.

[earthside]

5. This is the Age of the Internet

Like it or not, Drudge is a player in political news and rumor.

Ignoring what is posted there won't make it go away.

I hate him, too -- but this particular story is going to be talked about all day, everywhere on the web.

That's just the truth, so don't 'kill' the DU messenger.

[trumad]

51. Drudge is a major scumbag

so please---- don't tell me he deserves bandwidth here. UGG!

[indimuse]

6. this crap needs to STOP!

[TwilightZone]

7. Oh, good. More press for Drudge.

I'm sure he appreciates it.

[loveangelc]

9. right, because not many people on DU knew about the drudgereport.

[TwilightZone]

10. Of course they do.

That's an excuse to make multiple threads about it?

Ad revenue is based partly on hit counts. If you want to help pay Drudge's bills, feel free.

[jakem]

13. ridiculous.

id rather know what information is floating out there on the web, then worry about earning drudge another .0001 in advertising money.

[TwilightZone]

15. Well, I guess that we do need sources for the next rumor to endlessly obsess over.

There is that.

[chascarrillo]

16. Note that the OP did NOT link to Drudge

... so your argument don't wash.

[TwilightZone]

18. Who needs a link?

As the person who responded to me noted, we're all aware of his website.

I can't believe that you're actually defending people for wasting bandwidth posting crap from Drudge.

[chascarrillo]

21. You made the argument that the OP was driving up traffic. Can't do that with no link.

When you read an article from Drudge posted in full on this website, the magic internet tubes don't give money to Drudge.

The OP did the responsible thing: Inform people about what was posted on Drudge's site without linking to it. People were interested in seeing if there was any substance to the story. There was not. End of story.

[Skip Intro]

25. Good God. You're gonna take off into sky spinning like that.

Everybody effin' knows drudge's url.

Following your logic, why not post crap from fr here, just to show how lacking in "substance" it is.



Killin me.

[chascarrillo]

29. Good grief

Whatever. If you want to yell and complain, do it on your own time, not mine.

[Skip Intro]

33. Who's yelling? Just pointing out ridiculousness and weakness.

The ridiculousness of claiming that no one knows how to get to drudge's site without a link, and the weakness of arguing that posting bullshit (that just happens to smear your guy's opponent) from a right wing smear site in order to show that it is bullshit.

It would seem a collossal waste of time to try to defend smears such as you have tried to do here.

[chascarrillo]

36. You're smearing me. I didn't claim that no one knows how to get to Drudge's site.

I claimed - correctly - that the OP did not include a link to Drudge's site, an effect of which would be not to drive up traffic to Drudge by people clicking on a post on DU. Since the first person made the argument that the poster was getting more people to click on Drudge, increasing his revenue, this was an understandable argument on my part, I think.

Please don't smear me again. Thanks.

[Skip Intro]

39. Oh stop whining, I'm not smearing you. Sheesh, you're falsely attacking me now.

If I read the OP and wanted to see it for myself so visited that cesspool of a site it would drive up traffic.

And again, defending the content of the op as ok because people want to see that kind of crap to know that it is there is bs.

Called it like I saw it.

Didn't smear you.

Relax.

[chascarrillo]

45. Look, you said I made an argument that I was clearly not making

Call that whatever you want.

[unpossibles]

34. I agree. Frankly, I prefer to be informed as to what they're saying - it makes it that much easier

to be prepared with an answer when some asshat repeats the drudge/Rush/Fox crap to me.

If I wanted to be ignorant, I'd become a Republican.

[mtnsnake]

11. I love where John Edwards confides that he is staying in the race because Hillary could be soon out.

Like does he actually think that he could beat Obama head on head?

Or maybe he thinks all of Hillary's supporters will throw their support behind him if she "could soon be out" of the race. lol

[Little Star]

17. JRE may be in for a surprise if he thinks all HRC 's

supporters will go to him. Maybe once upon a time, but no more. He has showed a very hateful little side that I cannot abide. I cannot believe Elizabeth approves of this behavior.

[mtnsnake]

22. I don't think he'd get a single one

of Hillary's supporters. He automatically closed the door on that when he chose to play kissy face with Obama at Hillary's expense, thinking he might get a boost in the polls. Boy was he ever wrong.

I cannot believe Elizabeth approves of this behavior

I think she condones it a hundred percent. Best of health to her, and I admire her courage, but god I can't stand that woman.

[Little Star]

41. I use to love her but now? Not so much. I do however

wish her good health. She sure is handling him this time around!

[karynnj]

48. I think that both he and Elizabeth are desperate

Elizabeth's comment on the eve of the campaign that Obama's plan would make it impossible to get health insurance was a very sleazy attack on many levels. Edwards' unbelievable attempt to speak of how he and Obama won and both had change as a message reminds me of Leiberman insisting he was in a 3 way tie for third - except he had a few percent less than the guys he was tied with. Part of this was positive spin and a hope that something would happen that would make him more viable.

He will now be at an enormous disadvantage. He will have finished second, just as in 2004. Then will likely finish third just as in 2004. (Nevada is next and no one is mentioning him there - Didn't he pull Nevada people for a stronger Ohio?) Then there is SC, his one high point in the whole 2004 primary season - and he is now running a poor third - compared to winning with 45% of the vote. He will then be far weaker than he was in 2004 - and at that point, Kerry was a very heavy favorite.

On top of it, the next step will be Super Tuesday and Edwards is very unlikely to have enough money to be competitive. Here, it is not like Iowa where time could replace some of the money. I assume that he will stay in primarily because he wants to get his message out and running gives him a platform.

[mtnsnake]

50. I coudn't agree more

It's funny how everyone is painting Hillary as being the only one who's acting desperate when John Edwards has been acting desperate all throughout these primaries and even before. I mean, the guy practically took up residence in Iowa for the last few years, he pulls all-nighters....make that all-weeekers...he attacks Hillary in last ditch efforts to raise his popularity because he thinks people will like him for going after her, and he sucks up to Obama in a lame attempt to bully Hillary for whatever reason only he himself knows. If anyone's desperate, it's Edwards. Hillary might be extremely concerned, but she's not desperate yet. She won't be desperate until the national polls show Obama with the lead, and yes, that could happen.

[jlake]

12. Please don't post from Sludge if you want any shred of credibility.

[KingFlorez]

14. Drudge's word is worth about as a three dollar bill

He's a hack.

[oasis]

19. "sources claim". What sources? Dick Morris?

:wtf:

[Azathoth]

20. Would that it were true

Unfortunately, Drudge and his "inside sources" are far from reliable.

Although, he has always had an uncanny knack for digging up dirt on the Clintons...

[Skip Intro]

23. Wow, "sources" from Drudge. We do spend time in the gutter here, don't we?

[MethuenProgressive]

26. Bob Novak and Drudge have become Obama's water carriers.

Dirty water, at that.

[chascarrillo]

32. Clinton Finds Way to Play Along With Drudge

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/us/politics/22drudge.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Who's the water for, again?

[Catherine Vincent]

27. Republicans love quoting Matt Drudge

Katz, are you sure you're a former republican?

[Colobo]

28. This is a continuation of another thread with the same story.

And yes, former Republican here... just like Hillary.

[chascarrillo]

31. Like Hillary feeding Drudge information?

Clinton Finds Way to Play Along With Drudge: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/us/politics/22drudge.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Save it.

[Catherine Vincent]

35. Yeah, I'll save it alright.

We'll see your reaction when Drudge posts a negative attack of some sort on your precious Obama.

[chascarrillo]

37. It'll be the same as my reaction here: The story's bullshit

[Catherine Vincent]

38. Yeah, but by your posts here defending the OP quoting Drudge,

it appears you don't mind since it's not your candidate he's talking about at the moment.

You're fooling no one.

[chascarrillo]

44. I've defended Hillary many times here - including this very thread

So your argument is falling on deaf ears. Bash away.

[Catherine Vincent]

47. "I've defended Hillary many times here "

Good for you. :eyes:

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. Disgusting Drudge Clinton-hatred

Why is this being posted here seriously?

Sickening.

[itsrobert]

40. She would be smart to take the money and run

Fund some other candidates, stash it away for future campaigns. Nothing wrong with that.

[leftynyc]

42. If you think Edwards would pick up her

supporters, you couldn't be more wrong.

[itsrobert]

46. Having Hillary out is a nice consolation prize

;)

[The Night Owl]

43. More proof that...

...the righties want nothing more than to knock Hillary Clinton out of the race because they fear her.

[book_worm]

49. Carville says to keep going thru super Tue and win a big state--which one?

Oh New York. Obama should win his own IL and I think would easily beat Hillary in California.