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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:37 PM
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Politico: Clinton fights tears: "It's not easy"
Clinton fights tears: "It's not easy"


Exhausted and facing the prospect of losing the second test of her primary campaign, HIllary Clinton's voice broke and she fought back tears at the close of a sedate event in a Portsmouth coffee shop.

She expressed the sheer difficulty of heading out to the trail each day -- "It's not easy," she said -- and suggested she faced "pretty difficult odds."

And with audible frustration and disbelief, she drew the contrast between her experience and Senator Barack Obama's that suggests that her campaign's current message -- the question of who is ready -- matches her profound sense that she alone is ready for the job.

"Some of us know what are going to do on day one, and some of us haven’t thought that through enough," she said.

The question was inoccuous:

"As a woman I know it’s hard to get out of the house and get ready," asked Marianne Pernold, a local freelance photographer. "Who does your hair?"

Clinton began by talking about her hair -- she has some help -- but moved to talk more generally about the campaign.

"It’s not easy, it’s not easy, and I couldn’t do it if i just didn’t passionately belive it was the right thing to do," she said.

"I have so many oppporuntities for this country. I don’t want to se us all fall back," she said, her voice breaking in the last phrase.

"This is very personal for me," she said to supportive applause from the small gathering, at which she'd been discussing policy around a table for an hour. "It’s not just political, it's not just public -- I see what's happening. We have to reverse it."

"Some people think elections are a game -- it’s about who’s up and who's down," she said. "It's about our country's future, it's about our kids' future - it's really about all of us together."

"And some of us put oursevles out there and do this against some pretty difficult odds, and we do it each one of us because we care about our country," she said.

"Some of us are right and some of us are wrong. Some of us are ready and some of us are not. Some of us know what are going to do on day one, and some of us haven’t thought that through enough," she said.

"When we look at the array of problems that we have, and the potential for it really spinning out of control -- this is one of the most important elections America's ever faced," she concluded.

The questioner, Pernold, said she'd come to the event "smitten" by Obama, but that she's now torn. "Showing that emotion -- I really find it refreshing," she said.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:39 PM
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1. Ah, right on cue! Some DU'er suggested Hillary tear up. Was it Cali?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:40 PM
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5. Mtnsnake!! That devil nt
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:41 PM
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9. I think those are honest tears. You have to be pretty focused to run for President,
and I am certain the last few days have ben shocking for Hillary. That said, the Presidency isn't awarded on the basis of feeling sorry for people.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:44 PM
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19. I think she's tired and concerned and frustrated
I really don't think she's doing it for pity, I think her passion just comes through easier when she gets tired and lets her guard down.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:46 PM
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27. Oh don't be absurd
the only real emotion is coming from Obama
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:50 PM
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103. You're sarcastic, right?
As a "kennedyguy" assuming that's a political screename, I'm shocked you wouldn't support the person RFK, Jr. has endorsed.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:55 PM
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52. I think so, too
I know I would be.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:45 PM
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21. I do feel bad for her
She must be exhausted.
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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:31 PM
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83. Ready to throw ashtrays
Vases, water glasses, picture frames, dogs, cats, kitchen sink ......
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:16 PM
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128. No. it's awarded on who one would want too have a beer with.
:evilgrin: Is it time for Edwards to muster up some tears?

He been running for 36 hours straight hasn't he?

And it's personal for him too.

He is largely ignored by the Corporate Owned News except when they want too smear him.

Is it time for him to tear up? Would that get him some sympathy from the CON?
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:41 PM
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90. Hahahaha
First thing I thought of as well! Looks like she listened!

:7
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:12 PM
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126. Wish i could find that post to see what else his advice was
Cause he called this one.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:39 PM
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2. Oh please
If you are reduced to tears on state #2, then you aren't ready.

How many personalities does this make anyway?
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:39 PM
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3. Damn near crying is not going to gain her any sympathy
It's actually the worse thing she can do. If THAT was caught on tape...that would be a Dean Scream.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:21 PM
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78. No doubt it was caught on tape.
Just because Hillary's down in the polls doesn't mean the media stops covering her appearances and this was a round table in a public place.
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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:33 PM
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85. No douby it was contrived and staged
But she'll not win an Academy award
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:39 PM
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4. cue the tiny violen playing the saddest song for HRC.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:40 PM by fenriswolf
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:42 PM
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Here you go
:nopity:
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:40 PM
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These guy have got to be totally fried with the lack of sleep
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:42 PM
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14. I completetly agree and I am an Obama supporter.
I think taht is true for both Obama and Clinto...I thought neither was on the top of their game at the last debate.


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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:08 PM
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67. I agree. I think fatigue and frustration is going to be a big problem..
and this being #2 state doesn't really help. Thisis the big push..These two, Obama and Clinton, are fighting the real battle here - what happens on super tuesday may be a foregone conclusion if Obama takes SC.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:45 PM
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25. Yep. I know when I don't sleep I get emotional much more easily.
I can't imagine what any of the candidates are feeling right now.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:31 PM
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82. I'm exhausted...just perusing DU!
my range in a day...:banghead::crazy::argh::crazy::hangover::wtf::puke::bounce::crazy:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:45 PM
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26. I want to know how they avoid getting sick
Shaking thousands of hands and not sleeping is not good for the immune system.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:10 PM
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124. They don't. Politicians often get sick while campaigning.
Nixon did in 1960, Dukakis did in 1988, and Rudy got sick just the other week.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:40 PM
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6. Oh jeez...
:popcorn:
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:40 PM
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7. Subtext: Hillary Clinton is a weak woman.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 01:04 PM by The Night Owl
Subtext: Hillary Clinton is a weak woman. If opposition from her own party can make her fall apart emotionally, then how can she be Commander-In-Chief?

Politico.com is a right wing site. The question you should be asking yourself is... Why does Politico.com want you to think that Hillary Clinton is a weak woman?

Hint: We are being played by the right.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:47 PM
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29. Why do Clinton supporters feel
the need to call everything right-wing that they don't agree with?
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:48 PM
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37. why is politico a right wing place
only when it criticizes Obama?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:50 PM
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politico is a right wing site
is there something wrong with pointing that out?
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:51 PM
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45. No...
there's something wrong with EVERYTHING being right-wing that criticizes Clinton. Politico isn't right-wing when it's negative to Obama.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:52 PM
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Politico.com is a right wing site regardless of who it criticizes. {EOM}
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:59 PM
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59. A week or so ago politico claimed Obama stopped taking questions for his last 8 appearances.
That was a lie.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:43 PM
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94. It's used as a credible source all the time.
Especially for Ben Smith. I think Armbinder is on there too.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:50 PM
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42. About Politico.com...
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 01:48 PM by The Night Owl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Politico

Frederick J. Ryan Jr., former Assistant to U.S. President Ronald Reagan<2>, and currently chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library Foundation, is president and CEO of The Politico.<3>

The Politico has also been accused by some, especially those in the left-wing blogosphere, of a right-wing or pro-Republican bias. <12> According to Media Matters for America, The Drudge Report linked to The Politico 45 times in The Politico's first 58 days.<13>

About Ben Smith...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703230001

You are being played.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:38 PM
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86. thanks
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:32 PM
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84. Do you dispute the story?
Frankly, Clinton showing any real emotion at all is big news. As the story reports, one of the people in attendance is so gobsmacked to realize there's an actual human being underneath the shellacked campaign veneer that they're reconsidering their vote.

Would the same story be more true from a left-wing source?
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:41 PM
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89. I don't dispute that Clinton showed emotion, but I strongly dispute Ben Smith's characterization...
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 01:42 PM by The Night Owl
I don't dispute that Clinton showed emotion, but I strongly dispute Ben Smith's characterization of that emotion as being the result of frustration and disbelief.

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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:12 PM
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127. Seriously?
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 02:13 PM by hughee99
By my count, Hillary is on the campaign trail for the 11th time for a statewide or national office (including this one), including 2 previous presidential campaigns and 2 senatorial campaigns. She still gets very emotional when thinking of the pressures that go with this, to the point that she tears up while discussing it, and your suggesting it's wrong for me to question her strength because a RW website asked the question first? Sorry don't buy it, nor am I being played. Campaigning should be "old hat" for her as she may have as much or MORE experience in this area (campaigning statewide or nationally) than any major candidate in the last 50 years. If she STILL has not learned to deal difficulties of it, and you believe her emotions are genuine, I think it's completely right for anyone to question her strength. Of course, I suspect that she has long since learned to handle these difficulties, so for me, it's not a question of her strength but of her credibility.

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:40 PM
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8. No worrry about Obama showing any emotion. He stays
right in the middle.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:41 PM
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10. It is hard. Bill knows the toll it's taking on her.
I think Bill might ask her to drop out for her health.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:42 PM
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11. geez, where's Bill...?
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:42 PM
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12. I think this just shows how passionate she is
I think she honestly believes that she's the best person to lead the country at this time, and that she's concerned about the country's future. I am, too, so this really resonates with me. I think it's hard for her to show her emotions, but when she's tired and feeling run down, it's no surprise that they seep through.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:45 PM
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22. She's a good woman. I believe this is Obama's time
but Hillary does believe what she says and has to be pretty frustrated of how things are going for her right now.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:52 PM
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48. I don't believe it's anyone's "time"
I believe we need to elect a president who fights hard and works hard, not someone who has somehow been ordained by fate to lead us.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:53 PM
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51. Liz, let's see what happens in NH tomorrow.
Then in Nevada, then in South Carolina... that should tell us whose time this is...
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:59 PM
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58. Like I said, I don't believe in this predestined stuff
and that applies regardless of who wins.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:55 PM
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113. It's not Obama's "time". what has he done exactly to deserve this "time"
beyond any other candidate? Oh yeah.. he's a rock star. I forgot.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:42 PM
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13. Damn. Shades of Pat Schroeder
Quick -- somebody find her a war resolution to vote for!
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:40 PM
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88. I thought the same thing when I saw this story! A woman can't cry, she just can't.
It's rule #1 for women running for office. If she's the Dem candidate, the pugs will run the tape of her crying til kingdom come...
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:53 PM
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106. Wanna guess who's having the worst, most head-asploding reaction to this?
I'm gonna go with Hillary and her advisors.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:14 PM
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146. Bush was clowned for saying, 'it's hard work' at the 2004 debates
Bush was rightly clowned for it, because he was complaining and making excuses in his use of 'it's hard work'. If it's such 'hard work' and it's so tiring you complain about it -- at a debate, no less -- then look for another line of work.

Image is everything. Cry into your pillow at home, but slap a smile on and say 'couldn't be better' in public.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:44 PM
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95. I thought that, too -- and Shroeder was a first-class Dem politican
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:43 PM
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15. It's clear she has no respect for the guy who's beating her...or why
"with audible frustration and disbelief..."
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:47 PM
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33. "But it's MY turn!"
:)
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:50 PM
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44. yah..I agree with Obama supporters
women are weak..belong in the kitchen..
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:52 PM
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49. What the hell is wrong with you? The only one coming up with that is you.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:55 PM
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54. But women are WEAK..
look at Clinton..haven't you been reading?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:58 PM
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55. what is it?
:shrug:
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:12 PM
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125. And I agree with Hillary supporters.
Gotta keep them nigras down.

:sarcasm:

I can come up with bullshit just as easily as you can.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:53 PM
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50. Really...what's she crying about?
She's been First Lady, she's actually Senator from New York, has a great daughter, $35 million in the bank. A great life with much to live for by any rational measurement. So she thinks now she might not get to be president, too. This is supposed to be moving?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:55 PM
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53. She's crying because she is losing.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:58 PM
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57. Oh please
Obama's whole campaign is about it being his turn.

"Urgency of Now"

sheeeeesh.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:29 PM
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152. not his turn, OUR turn... something a Hillarite cannot understand
Barack Obama is in this for America, not for personal Glory
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:43 PM
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16. "I have so many opportunities for this country."
what the HELL does that mean in english?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:43 PM
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17. This is what has always bugged me about Clinton
I don't know whether this is a ploy, or she is really dysfunctional enough to take this personally. It remains unclear.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:44 PM
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18. She's too soft..no wait..she's too hard..
no wait..
What a load of crap..
make up your minds already
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:45 PM
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24. Which Hillary are you asking about?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:44 PM
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20. So it's from the "Likeability" Tour to the "Poo Wittle Me" Tour
Ah yes, women just get too emotional to handle it. That's what Hillary is implying...

This could be her Muskie Moment.


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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:47 PM
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32. This is an encore.
The first one took place in Philly when "the boys were picking on her".

Just trotting out the kitchen sink at this point.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:51 PM
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105. are all Obama supporters assholes? n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:45 PM
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23. mtnsnake, you are a genius. And
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:46 PM by Occam Bandage
yes, I know that was satirical.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:46 PM
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28. "As a woman I know it's hard to get out of the house and get ready,"
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:47 PM by Deep13
asked Marianne Pernold, a local freelance photographer. "Who does your hair?"
:mad:
Cuz, yah, know, girls have a hard time doing stuff cuz they're worried about their hair. No, HRC is definitely not be hurt by sexist.

Has any interviewer asked Obama to sing a rap song or flash some gang signs? Jesus Christ.

She is not looking for sympathy. She is trying to look like a flesh & blood person.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:47 PM
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30. It has to be so hard to everyday to listen to the cruel things people say about her. she knows
what people say. She is human for christs sake.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:47 PM
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34. and btw--i believe she is sincere
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:49 PM
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39. She has been stumping that she is the only candidate that can take
the pressure. The only one who is vetted. The only one who can take "anything" they throw at her.

Sincere or not, it doesn't play well at all for the office she is running for.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:03 PM
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62. There is limit for all of us--and for her.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:15 PM
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74. It is only the second state. What does the think the GOP has in store -- a red carpet?
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 01:18 PM by Yael
Edit to add -- I have nothing against her personally. Please know that.

I DO have serious issues about her being our candidate however. I want a WIN this year, and I don't think she can deliver it.

I have concerns about how she would handle opposition, be it foreign or domestic as I don't seem to trend toward authoritarian types and the "obey me" meme. Things like this don't calm those fears one iota.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:54 PM
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109. She has had to put with unprecendented personal attacks for 12 years+
Since Mr. Richard Scaife Melon-head starting attacking them back in Arkansas. She has been called a "pig in a pantsuit" she and her daughter have been called ugly, she has been villified from day one. Blows me away to see that your post is one of only a handful that gets it.. I used to be proud to be on DU, but it's just gotten so ugly.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:47 PM
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31. Obama gets hoarse..a ploy for sympathy?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:52 PM
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46. Hahahahaha! Not even close. nt
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:48 PM
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35. She's not the first to cry in NH
<snip>
CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: After that, Muskie became the favorite to win the 1972 Democratic Presidential nomination. But being the front-runner for over a year proved difficult. During the New Hampshire primary, Muskie choked with anger and seemed to cry because of a couple of nasty articles in the "Manchester Union Leader." One article proved to be a hoax. The other attacked Muskie's wife. Muskie then attacked publisher William Loeb.

EDMUND S. MUSKIE: (February 1972) By attacking me, by attacking my wife, he has proved himself to be a gutless coward. And maybe I said all I should on it. It's fortunate for him he's not on this platform beside me. A good woman--

CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: The episode came to symbolize the collapse of Muskie's Presidential campaign because of the perception that he was weak. Muskie then went back to the Senate and headed the powerful Budget Committee until President Carter tapped him to be Secretary of State in 1980.
<snip>
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/remember/muskie_3-26.html
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:50 PM
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43. Hillary's Muskie moment.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:28 PM
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132. Hillary and Muskie didn't cry. But perception is what matters.
Muskie's "crying" was snowflakes melting on his face, giving the appearance of tears.

I saw the clip of Hillary "crying". Her voice was shaking slightly but that's it. Nothing big.

Unfortunately people will spin the hell out of this and the clip of Hillary "crying" might overshadow the dozens of perfectly good reasons not to vote for her.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:48 PM
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36. Every pol have ever
has looked terrible and upset under lesser circumstances. No one has ever fooled anyone about losing or being in trouble. But...

Rule #1: Don't cry in New Hampshire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or appear to, or make excuses. You could have cried over soldiers or the uninsured, but to even appear to so now, at your own fate, has been programmed for immediate media funeral taps for any campaign.

No one has come in with more unearned disadvantages. The advantages don't count nearly so much except to get one's hat in the ring.

Damn the GOP. A little more just anger is OK with me, a little more sorrow for the other victims of the criminals. There are a billion real tears to be shed and the MSM smiles, pontificates or pouts 24/7.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:17 PM
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75. Good points
If it were over the fate of others, it would be seen as compassionate. There are many politicians with tears in their eyes over young people lost in war - I think Bill Clinton was sometimes emotional - like at OKC. Reagan was when the Challenger was lost.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:49 PM
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38. Get ready for "She's too emotional"
along with "phony" and "self-pitying."

(Soon followed by "too cold, calculating, and shrill" again.)

Where's mtnsnake?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:49 PM
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40. give her a damn break
I know I could never keep up with the exhausting schedules that the candidates keep.

Lucky for us there are good people willing to do it for all of us. I hope all of them will take a day off after Tuesday and rest.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:50 PM
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41. "Who does your hair?"
It seemed like that was a campaign "issue" for Edwards...here, not so much.

:shrug:


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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:52 PM
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47. I feel for her....
I think she has wanted this for a long time and the ups & down of campaigning would be hell. No doubt she has mega pressure on her to succeed...it has to be rough.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:58 PM
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56. If campaigning brings her nearly to tears, how is she going to deal with the problems the
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:58 PM by jenmito
country faces? Not good for a wannabe-tough-leader.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:06 PM
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64. Your reaction to the Politico article about Hillary Clinton being close to tears...
...is exactly the reaction the article was intended to evoke and I predicted it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3978664&mesg_id=3978690
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:02 PM
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133. And?
IF the story's true, that's the reaction we SHOULD get.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:35 PM
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141. Why do you interpret Hillary Clinton's display of emotion as being evidence of her...
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 03:36 PM by The Night Owl
...cracking up or being unable to deal with pressure?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:48 PM
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143. I'd feel the same way if it was a male.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:11 PM
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71. Do you not see how sexist that is???
And EXACTLY what you were being baited by the RIGHT WING source to say.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:19 PM
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76. Yep. And, The fact that people here are uncritically believing Ben Smith's characterization of...
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 01:21 PM by The Night Owl
Yep. And, The fact that people here are uncritically believing Ben Smith's characterization of Hillary Clinton's appearance at the coffee shop in Portsmouth is depressing.

Meet Ben Smith...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703230001





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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:42 PM
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91. I know who Ben Smith is -- you're 100% right
What would Limbaugh's first-person account of the Dean "scream" have been, for example?

Ugh.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:04 PM
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134. SEXIST??? No. TRUE? Yes. The fact she's a woman has NOTHING to do with it.
That's YOUR interpretation.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:18 PM
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136. It is sexist -- we don't need an emotional woman in the WH
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 03:19 PM by LostinVA
You said it, not me.

And, you're believing a RIGHT WING SOURCE that YOU disbelieved last week when it spun stuff about Obama.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:23 PM
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139. Wrong. We don't need ANYONE who cries during a campaign stop in the WH.
ASSume much? I saw the video now.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:50 PM
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144. Hillary cried? In a few posts, you've gone from claiming that Hillary Clinton was...
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 03:52 PM by The Night Owl
... close to tears to claiming that she cried.

Assume much?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:26 PM
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149. She teared up. Happy? The rest of my comment stands.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:56 PM
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115. Wow.. it's always the Obama supporters on the attack here.
Why is that? Why are the hillary and edwards supporters the nice ones?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:05 PM
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135. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard here so far.
The Hillary supporters specifically are the most rabid here.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:20 PM
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137. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:28 PM
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140. You must be one of those HAHAHAHAHAHillary supporters.
:hi:
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cmaff05 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:01 PM
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60. Does anybody really believe this is forced?
I don't. I believe she is just an emotional person. Campaigning in this fashion would take a toll on anybody. There is only a certain threshold somebody can take before they break down. I'm not Hillary's biggest fan, but give her a break.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:08 PM
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68. "staged" might be a kinder term.
And yes.
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Larry in KC Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:16 PM
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151. Staged. Yes. An act, yes.
I'm sorry, but I'm not exaggerating when I tell you that what it immediately reminded me of was O.J. Simpson grimacing and pretending to strain because that darn glove JUST DIDN'T FIT. I realize that comparison is fraught with danger, because she didn't murder anyone, but that was my first and unbidden reaction on seeing the clip.

It's just not that hard to produce a lowered voice and teary eyes, and it fit in just a little too well with a campaign strategy that many people have seen coming. It's... personal! with her. She cares so MUCH about being president.

It is a risky gambit, because there are so many ready to see it as crying that signals weakness, rather than caring, heartfelt misty eyes. But, you know, her camp might think it's almost time that they're going to have to take such gambles to survive.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:03 PM
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61. So
When Edwards --teary eyed at the debate --thumped his chest, and said "This is personal to me"

That's different?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:05 PM
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63. I, for one, never said it was.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:07 PM
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65. Yes because there is a difference between passion and weariness
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:13 PM
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72. you call it weariness
I call it passion.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:09 PM
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69. Of course
he's a big strong man who cares, Hillary's a weak emotional woman who can't take it. Edwards gets loud and angry, Clinton gets shrill and out of control. :mad:
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:13 PM
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73. precisely
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:47 PM
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98. Unfortunately, it is. A woman candidate can't do it. A man can.
It sucks that it's this way and it's sexist and wrong. Having said that, I must also add that her timing with this is not good. HRC's "not showing emotion" has been ballyhooed all over the media in the last 24 hours or so. And now, for the first time, Hillary is fighting tears visibly? It just looks suspect to lots of people. Maybe if she had done this before it would be more acceptable. Right now, not so much...
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Kashka-Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:07 PM
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66. If more of our so called leaders felt their emotions instead of acting out symbolically
we'd all be a lot better off. Good for her, let her be human
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:10 PM
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70. "It's hard work."
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:20 PM
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77. Some of you act as if Hillary is not a human being!!!
Imagine how exhausted she and the other candidates must be. I wouldn't think any less of any of them if they had one moment of weakness. What will it take for the media and from some people to realize that she's as human as anybody else and that she has her low moments as we all do???

It disgusts me how she's treated differently than anyone else. If she's all about policy then she's called cold and calculating, but if she shows true emotion even once then she's a crybaby.

My heart goes out to her, I wish I could give her a hug and tell her not to give up. This is just the beginning and there are many states out there to be counted.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:25 PM
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130. JUST LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!

SHE'S A HUMAN TOO!!!
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:21 PM
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79. Maybe She Was Thinking of All The People That Died Because She Didn't
Stand up to Bush when it counted. Perhaps the human results of all those political calculations, all the families that lost their sons and daughters and sisters and brothers and mothers and fathers because she was afraid to look politically "weak" in the run up to her Presidential bid.

Doesn't she have a whole campaign agenda to show her softer side? I think her polls indicated that she needed to bring in more women from older age brackets by demonstrating some warmth and vulnerability.

Personally, I don't care about her persona so much as her voting record. I hope people don't get lost in the theatrics and forget that we are talking about policies and decisions that affect millions of lives in the most dear ways imaginable.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:26 PM
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80. All the candidates are probably stressed and exhausted right now
But part of being president is being able to maintain grace under pressure. When they are in public, they need to ba able to put the tears and emotion and fatigue aside. All of the candidates have to be "on" when they make their campaign appearances. Otherwise, people will wonder how they'll manage under the stress of being president.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:45 PM
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97. Bill Clinton Cried All The Time, Just Not When He Was Behind in the Polls
I stand by my earlier statement about Hillary Clinton's IWR vote. If she cried because what she had authorized, I would have thought her vulnerable and human. To cry because she is worn down as a losing candidate, I think other things.

She hasn't even apologized.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:21 PM
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138. Jesus Christ, she has apologized
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NOVA_Dem Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:29 PM
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81. Link to Video:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:39 PM
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87. She looks like a defeated candidate.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 01:39 PM by Katzenkavalier
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NOVA_Dem Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:43 PM
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93. When she said...
"I have so many opportunities for this country" it plays right into the republican script of "Queen Hillary" giving blessings to the little people.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:44 PM
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96. lol
Yeah, she should use the royal "We" instead...

She can't even say "I" anymore? Toooo much. :rofl:
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NOVA_Dem Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:47 PM
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99. How about talking about the opportunities we have together in this country?
You know people tend to say "we" when they are speaking to people in a group.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:49 PM
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102. She does. Here she was asked a personal question about "how she does it."
Do you work this hard to parse everything all the candidates say? If so, it must be a full-time job. With overtime.
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NOVA_Dem Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:53 PM
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107. If "Obambi" can do this after one contest...she needs to get the f@#$ off the field.
She lost one contest so far and she crying about how we as voters are too stupid and enthralled by pretty words to realize all the wonderful things she can do for us.

She would get chewed up in a general election.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:56 PM
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114. Why should any of them "get the f*** off the field?"
And that is NOT what she said. As I'm sure you know.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:42 PM
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92. Now that I've seen it
that could practically be a campaign commercial!

Not a thing wrong with it; not a thing to be ashamed of.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:08 PM
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120. I agree with you
she is my last pick but this is the most real I have seen her. I like it and it ticks her up a notch in my eyes. I don't think it makes her look weak at all.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:49 PM
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101. Hmmmm
Positive: Good to see there's a human underneath the droid.
Negative: She's weak and tired. Not suitable for president.

This is going to be like the debate moment from the other night. It's going to depend on how you look at things.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:10 PM
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145. Oh please.
"its personal for me, not political"

Taking a page out of John Edwards playbook is all this is.

Any sympathy I may have had for her in this gruelling race just went out the window. This was nothing but a freaking act. Watch the video...
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:48 PM
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100. I support Obama...I watched the video...
The first half I was moved. It is heartfelt, and honest. About half way through, she regained her composure and talked about being "ready from day one" and I just had to turn it off. That is not passion or drive, it is being tired and frustrated.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:51 PM
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104. thank you for being honest.. and human.. and non-cynical. n/t
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:54 PM
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110. I sympathize, it is tough enough to do this and be ahead, but to be rejected.
very hard
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:53 PM
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108. I think she realized that she was getting too emotional and tried to reel it back in
by relying on her themes. Which I think are very much related to what she was talking about when she got teary.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:01 PM
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117. yes...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:55 PM
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112. 'It is heartfelt, and honest.'---i will stay with this throughout.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:00 PM
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116. It was, but born of frustration not premeditated passion or tactics
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:09 PM
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122. Exactly.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:54 PM
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111. reduced to tears....?
IF true, not a good thing...perception by men...is that women are too weak to hold the position, will she go ahead and prove it?....

I didn't say it wasn't hard...but I would have thought, she'd have a better understanding of how hard it was, than anyone else in the race....wb
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:06 PM
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118. Aw geez, we'll give you the Presidency, you can have it, don't cry...
:eyes:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:09 PM
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121. LOL!
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:07 PM
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119. Right on time... Fox News is reporting that the pressure is getting to Hillary Clinton...
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 02:07 PM by The Night Owl
Right on time... Fox News is reporting that the pressure is getting to Hillary Clinton and is questioning her ability to be Commander-In-Chief.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:10 PM
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123. I bet there will be papers saying "Hillary Cracks", "Theres no crying in politics" Hillary Meltdown"
Tomorrow.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:18 PM
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129. You Can Bet The NYC Tabloids Will Have A Nice Big Pic
Rupert Murdoch be damned.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:26 PM
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131. I live in NY
So that's what I was thinking.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:43 PM
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142. Maybe Hillary hopes Obama will lose if he's the nominee.
That'll give her some revenge.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:14 PM
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147. Hillary, wake up and smell the coffee. The closer you are to special interest
groups tied to corporations and/or committed to continuing this fight in the Middle East, the more unlikely you are to winning the next important election. People are tired, they are weary and they are not seeing a rosy future giving into the same groups which have bestowed this misery upon our country within the last eight years.

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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:24 PM
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148. I don't support her but really...
...for months the media has been portraying Hillary as a soul-less, cackling Ice Queen, but the minute she shows any genuine (I guess) human emotion all the coverage is about "OMG IS HILLARY TOO EMOTIONAL TO BE TEH PRESIDENT??!!!". I find it to be a disturbing double standard.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:54 PM
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150. "It's hard work." -George Bush
eom
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