AK ATTACKS!!!

[AtomicKitten]

I thought I would get that sure to come accusation out of the way and simply state that I have something to say and will do so in a noninflammatory way although that will be construed as hating ... sigh.

I am not impressed with Hillary's tender moment today, and here's why:

It never seems to occur to the Clintons to be honest the first go. Hell, I'd be okay with honesty on the second go. But only now with her pants around her ankles does she try being honest.

I would give her a standing ovation for that but that's the very least I expect in my government.

And when my son and I saw this tender moment played across the airwaves today, he turned to me and said, "Somebody get her an Oscar."

* Edited to say that I have no clue whether or not she is telling the truth, and that's the problem. Exactly.

We have had a two-decade bullshit extravaganza going on in this country. Secrecy. Lies. No accountability. I am so over the Clintons. I thank them for their service to this country, but I simply cannot abide more of the same.

I am for turning the page.

May the best man win.

[BeyondGeography]

1. Ready for fresh face, maybe?

[AtomicKitten]

2. Yes, please.

[Spiffarino]

28. Best lookin' son of a gun in the race

But Johnny boy gets 2nd place! :D

[AtomicKitten]

33. they are easy on the eyes

;)

[Catherine Vincent]

3. demKR really left a lasting impression on some of you.

S/he is probably smiling about that. LOL.

[AtomicKitten]

12. Well, I only hope he/she can log on to check out the homage.

[Eurobabe]

4. I'm with you...

It's all an act. Get her a Golden Globe while you are at it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. I don't think it's an act.

I think she is realizing that she can lose and I feel bad for her, but it's time for change and she's not willing to take the tiller and move it an inch away from the present course when it comes to this immoral war, and the corporate noose that's tightened around our country. She has some serious soul searching to do.

[Eurobabe]

6. That clip just served to enforce why I think

HRC is a calculating politician. Her message is self-centered, just like the reasons why she cried.

Not for me.

[AtomicKitten]

7. On WJ Obama's NH Co-Chair said that Barack uses "we" a lot

while other candidate(s) say "I" most frequently.

I think he (and you :)) are spot on.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

24. She lost me once and for all

with the Christmas add where she is 'giving us stuff'..

I was leaning strongly away from her but that sealed it!

[AtomicKitten]

27. IMO that was a dumb ad because it plays into the wingnut view of liberals

being unbridled spending fools.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

34. The problem is I think Hillary fits that mould

Not Obama or Edwards but Hillary really thinks she is doing us a favor and not running to be a servant..

[enough already]

29. It may or may not be an act

And that's the problem. I have no idea and I have fucking desire or patience to guess. As AK said, be straight with me from the start.

[jgraz]

8. She almost had me

When she started working in the talking points between sniffles, I knew we were being conned.

[Eurobabe]

9. bwahaha!

exaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactly. :spray:

[AtomicKitten]

10. good point

We just got this giant HD TV and I saw no tears. Sad, but I was looking. But, you're right, working in campaign themes into the "break-down" is vewy, vewy suspicious.

[jgraz]

13. And...wasn't this in response to a question about her hair?

:shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

16. ;)

:spank:

[jgraz]

21. Hey, I'm serious. I thought some woman asked her how she keeps her hair so nice

Not exactly the traditional leadup to a tearful moment.

[AtomicKitten]

30. Jeez, I thought you were kidding.

Just think "No Stone Left Unturned."

[bvar22]

11. Maybe she should cry for the MILLION dead Iraqis

that her onqualified support and cheerleading has wrought on the innocent?

[AtomicKitten]

14. Nah, I think she's pretty much sticking with her own political backside

which is also why she voted YES on the IWR and K-L, sadly and catastrophically.

[fadedrose]

15. You reading my mind? (nm)

[AtomicKitten]

17. Hey I closed the door when I left.

Sorry about the mess.

[elixir]

18. I agree the moment appeared orchestrated for sympathy. But this doesn't change my view...

of who will be able to take on the responsibilities of the presidency on 1/20/09. It's not going to change the fact that Obama has not sufficiently presented where he stand on issues and what he will do consistently.

We could go all day about who appears more sincere, honest, likeable...we could parse all the words and facial expressions. For example, I thought in Obama's interview where he addressed his comment in the Saturday night debate "I like you...enough" (to HRC)he came across as snotty and above-it-all. He knows exactly how the phrasing came across as a disdainful swipe at HRC but he played coy.

The voters will decide and may the best PERSON win.

[AtomicKitten]

19. I hope this helps:

Hillary: "He's very likeable. I agree with that. I don't think I'm that bad."

Obama: "You're likeable enough, Hillary. No doubt about it."

Hillary (still smiling): "I appreciate that."

[elixir]

23. You made my point for me, You're likeable enough, Hillary (subtext: like a steaming pile of #$*!)

[AtomicKitten]

25. Glad I checked back.

Actually I pointed out (and in your response you validated it again) that your interpretation of what transpired is you editorializing and not factual.

In reality and I think many would agree, Obama was softening the groin kick the moderator gave Hillary by telling her nobody like her, and you are erroneously excoriating him for what is in essence being nice.

I LOVE election time. Such interesting interpretations of reality.

[Jai4WKC08]

31. There was nothing nice about what Obama said

And nothing nice intended.

And you doubt Hillary's sincerity? Step away from the GOP koolade, will ya?

[AtomicKitten]

32. The fact that you state that with such certainly is almost unreal.

However, I do admire your ability to take a straightforward exchange, assign intent pulled entirely out of your arse, and then you burn that strawman down!

Me thinks there is kool-aid here and you are soaking in it.

[Jai4WKC08]

35. Pot, let me introduce you to Kettle

You seem completely sure she can't be trusted.

[AtomicKitten]

39. She has proven herself untrustworthy.

Perhaps you disagree? Then she's your girl.

[elixir]

45. Always happy to have a healthy discussion on reality.

Take a look at the tape (as I'm sure you have). The comment and the body language indicated that he has disdain and contempt for HRC. He felt forced into making the statement at the risk of being seen as not nice.

I don't particularly care what BO thinks of her, it's your interpretation of the situation through your rose colored glasses that's wrong.

[AtomicKitten]

47. get back to me when you want to talk reality

and not pure conjecture:

The comment and the body language indicated that he has disdain and contempt for HRC. He felt forced into making the statement at the risk of being seen as not nice.

[AtomicKitten]

20. I'm going to knock on some doors today.

It's go time.

[Eurobabe]

22. Wait, I wanted to tell you I think HRC sounded like

Angelina Jolie in her performance today.

:spray:

[AtomicKitten]

26. Yeah, but Angelina is sleeping with Brad Pitt.

So, there.

Oh, btw, I heard Obama and Pitt are ninth cousins.

[Evergreen Emerald]

36. So, this is what type of people we have on DU

"We" vilify the progressive Senator who has fought her whole life for progressive issues, until she nearly breaks, and then instead of holding out our collective hand to pick her up, you throw stones and laugh and joke at her expense.

She was embarassed after she started crying and tried to make herself talk to stop crying. God, if anyone of you had to put up with the crap she does, you'd be in a padded room blubberning.

Is DU really this ugly?

[PassingFair]

37. From the "progressive" DLC?

Take the bull*hit somewhere else.

How about HERE:

http://www.dlc.org/

They've done SO WELL for us!

I don't CARE about the "crying".

She wasn't "crying" for cripes sake!

[Evergreen Emerald]

38. Look at her record.

And take your bullshit somewhere else.

[PassingFair]

40. I've seen her record.

D-L-C.

I'm here to stay.

Unlike that particular wing of the party.

Which is THANKFULLY in a tailspin.

LONG overdue.

[Evergreen Emerald]

41. If you have seen her record, then you are being disingenious when

you suggest that she is not progressive. That line of bull has been debunked time and again, and many on DU still repeat it as if fact.

[PassingFair]

44. Hillary, the Progressive candidate! It is to LAUGH!

IWR: check
Patriot Act: check
Bankruptcy: check once (didn't vote once)
War Funding: check check check check (blank checks)
Saber Rattling: check

She and the DLC are our Corporate Choice.

That said, she is still a DAMN sight better than
any repug.

I have said all along that if she get the nomination
I will vote for her, but I would be a MUCH happier
democrat if the DLC was NOT pulling the strings and
shoving corporate control down our throats.

This is what PRIMARIES are for.

[AtomicKitten]

42. I guess you missed the shot she took at Obama in the midst of her tender moment.

* Countdown, 1/7/08, 5th segment

She has zero credibility.

[AtomicKitten]

43. dupe

[TheDonkey]

46. ding ding ding

No one can really tell if she is being honest or if it is staged. That is a SERIOUS issue. It isn't that I dislike her, I'd like to believe her, but it all seems so convenient and eerily opportunistic. Even in between sobs she had time to skewer Obama in a calculating manner. She just does not come across as legit a serious issue that has doomed her chance to become president.

It'll take Hillary supporters sometime to understand this but she will not win.