Gallup: Obama And Hillary Tied — Nationally!

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from TPM:


By Eric Kleefeld - January 7, 2008, 4:37PM
Barack Obama's Iowa bounce isn't just happening in New Hampshire — it's now in the national polling, too. The new Gallup poll shows that he and Hillary Clinton are tied nationwide, after Hillary had previously held big leads throughout 2007. Here are the numbers, compared to the last poll in mid-December:

Obama 33% (+6)
Clinton 33% (-12)
Edwards 20% (+5)


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[Adelante]

1. Holy shit

:wow:

[Yael]

2. Kicking and recommending

[K Gardner]

3. Minus an even dozen.. that's the sound of a big balloon deflating rapidly.

[Bullet1987]

6. This is why a Super Tuesday strategy is a losing one...

[Nedsdag]

12. No kidding!

Once that momentum metastasizes, you cannot control it.

[Thrill]

4. Thats amazing considering how famous she is

Thats big news

[TheWraith]

5. So much for "But but but Hillary is unstoppable in the big states!"

Kicked and recommended.

[jenmito]

7. Intrade has Obama over 66 and Hillary about 29...

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/trading/t_index.jsp?selConID=177134

[thoughtcrime1984]

33. 75-29 now, wow!!!!

All confidence heading towards Obama!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. The fact that she's dropping is good news for Clinton.

It doesn't make any sense, but somebody's going to spin it that way some how.

[Zodiak]

20. LOL n/t

[MindMatter]

28. Yeah, now that you mention it

She decided that her best strategy was to take the underdog status away from Edwards.

[dailykoff]

9. You know that giant sucking sound you hear?

Hey Hill, there's a line for ya!

[cali]

10. wow.

what will tomorrows polls show? I expect after he wins in NH, he'll gain another 5 to 10 points nationally. He's already leading in SC. It'll be interesting to see polling out of CA.

[Andy823]

32. Hmmmmm

I thought you didn't take any stock in "polls", or is that just the ones that don't have Obama as the top bannana? Remember the ones that showed Edwards doing better against all the repugs, and how you dismissed that poll???? Your "bias" is really showing! :rofl:

[cali]

38. I don't have any faith in it as anything but an indicator

and yeah, I'm enjoying it. Plus these polls are about NOW, not about a year from now. Even you should be able to figure that out. Now=Present. Nov.'08=Future. Hope that clears things up for people who have trouble grasping the basics.

:hi:

[Nailzberg]

11. Just yesterday someone said Obama would only win IL on Super Tuesday?

Citing Hillary's strong national numbers?


HA!

Looks like we got a race on our hands. Maybe now Clinton will dump Penn.

[MadBadger]

13. How soon until her supporters rush over here to tell us "I thought National polls meant nothing?"

Im waiting.

[THUNDER HANDS]

14. ...

[quiet.american]

15. I look at this and think -- "wow!" Maybe there is still something to this "grand experiment."

A woman. A black man. Tied nationally for the presidential nomination of the Democratic Party. Pinch me, am I dreaming? :)

[Adelante]

22. Sweet

:)

[CoffeeCat]

16. When Obama, Edwards and Clinton came to Iowa..

...they were tied as well, pretty much--although Hillary did have a few points on both of them.

I'm telling you, if this is a tied situation--before the Obama machines move through these states,
Obama will be winning each state well into the double digits.

They all entered Iowa and Obama BUILT that momentum while he was in that state. He'll go into these
subsequent state with momentum that builds exponentially with each state.

Wow. Just wow.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

27. The Obama machine already is in a lot of those states as we speak.

Here in AZ the Obama office opened 3 months ago while the Clinton campaign's opened last Saturday. Obama volunteers have been canvassing and phone banking like mad the whole time. Clinton is 3 months behind here and mail-in ballots have already gone out.

[CoffeeCat]

36. It's really remarkable...

It appears that she truly believed in her "inevitability".

It seems as if they thought they had Iowa in the bag, and that
they would roll on into teach state with wins that would build
momentum.

I don't think they have any organization or plans whatsoever, at this point.

I do worry about California. I hope Obama has good organization there.

I'm concerned about the vote not being legitimate on Super Tuesday. Hillary
is part of the establishment that has resisted election reform. I guess we'll
see if she benefits from that on Tuesday.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

37. I agree. They thought the name "Clinton" would magically cause voters and volunteers to appear

Doesn't work that way. Democratic activists, in particular, loathe being taken for granted. From the very beginning, here in AZ, it was obvious that the big donors and party insiders were lining up behind Clinton and the rest of us were expected to obediently go along. We were supposed to shut up about concerns we had about her political baggage and electability, and enthusiastically embrace her inevitable ascension. That really turned a lot of people off and was a catalyst for large numbers of us to seek an alternative. Thus, the Obama campaign was born here. I'm pretty sure it's a similar tale across the country.

I'm told Obama has a MASSIVE organization in CA. Also, Oprah will be touring the state with him. What more do you need? ;)

[CoffeeCat]

39. This is exactly what happened in iowa...

The Clintons, firmly entrenched in the Democratic apparatus, did not succeed.

Hillary had our former Gov Tom Vilsack (major DLCer), the Des Moines Register
and other traditionally Dem endorsements.

Voters seemed to bypass all of that---and vote for something different.

It really is inspiring. It's also an indication of why young voters, and so
many others, have stayed away from politics/elections. They didn't like the
current Dem playbook.

It took something really different, and out of the status-quo--to spark that
group.

Your description is spot on:

"...the rest of us were expected to obediently go along. We were supposed to shut up about concerns we had about her political baggage and electability, and enthusiastically embrace her inevitable ascension. That really turned a lot of people off and was a catalyst for large numbers of us to seek an alternative. Thus, the Obama campaign was born here".

That sums it up. Many wanted to circumvent the status quo for a long time. However, we
didn't have a viable alternative, whereas this year we do. There's just no stopping this.

Wouldn't you agree that the Clintons are in a tough position? If they criticize Obama and suggest that
he's only speeches and false hope--they run the risk of insulting his large, passionate contingent of
supporters. Most people will be offended by the Clintons suggesting that they are flibbertigibbets
who are being bamboozled by a good speaker.

Thanks for the info on the Obama CA support and organization.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

41. Oh yes, the Obama candidacy is giving a much-needed dose of reality to the DC Bubble

I really hope that this signals a sea change. If Obama gets the nom, he should purge the party of the Clintonistas. I'm getting tired of their losing strategies. One success, in the form of Bill Clinton, does not a successful movement make.

[BringBigDogBack]

17. wow wow wow wow wow

this is awesome. :7

[Alexander]

18. But that means MCOBAMA is LOSING!!!!!!!1!!!!!!

Seriously, that's the latest spin from the Hillbots.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[RoadRage]

19. Yeah!

This is good news... very good! People are starting to look at their options.. and read up on this "Obama guy everyone keeps talking about". WOOT!

[sandnsea]

21. Too cool, this is awesome! n/t

[cmaff05]

23. This is amazing

Just a few weeks ago this lead looked insurmountable. Now they are tied. It's hard to understate how important momentum is in any presidental race.

[MindMatter]

29. The only thing that is amazing

is that anybody took those early polls seriously. This type of shift happens ever Presidential cycle.

[jgraz]

24. There just isn't any bottom for Hillary

Inevitability was the only thing in her bag of tricks. Once that was gone, so was the interest in her candidacy.

[calteacherguy]

25. How sweet it is. Looks like Edwards has some momentum too and may surpass her! nt

[musiclawyer]

26. This is great news

It's not that's she's a clinton, it's not that she's a woman. Rather, it's how she votes; how she prioritizes, from whom she takes money, and the characters associated with her campaign (and hence, her putative presidency) that, in aggregate, are emetic. But if you throw in clinton fatigue and the otherwise low GOP turnout that she will stimulate and resulting hurt down-ticket, voting for her is crazy. Just crazy. I'm glad the independents voting thus far are looking at this with ostensible clarity. They want neither GOP not GOP lite. The country cannot afford the GOP or GOP lite in charge of anything related to government, ever, or at least as the GOP is presently constituted.

[MindMatter]

30. With all due respect

She votes, prioritizes, and takes money from that lot BECAUSE she is a Clinton, which is to say she is fully vested in the DLC Junior Republican mindset.

I honestly don't hate her on a personal level, but I thoroughly loathe that whole DLC lot she represents.

[AtomicKitten]

31. I had to re-read this a few times to make sure it said NATIONALLY.

Followed by a YIPEE!!!

[thoughtcrime1984]

34. K&R- We had polls shoved up our asses when Hil was ahead

Now how are the polls looking??

[zulchzulu]

35. Some of us predicted this would happen months ago

It was a hoot watching certain people posting national polls last August and thinking that those numbers would stick. I hope they've learned their lesson.

[cloudythescribbler]

40. I'd really like to see a battery of at least three or four NATIONAL polls, especially ...

after, as I expect, Obama wins in NH

[hayu_lol]

42. How neat. We can now cancel all the rest of the primaries...

and save a bundle of money and aggravation. Next election, we can just let Iowa and NH settle the entire matter for the rest of us.

No need to vote in the general either.