Snappy comeback from Clinton

[sniffa]

Hillary Clinton just now had about as adept a response as one could imagine to a bizarre disruption during her speech in the Salem High School auditorium.

Fifteen minutes into the event, a 20-something man stood up and started yelling over and over, “Iron my shirt!” as he held up a sign carrying the same message. A second young man in a different area joined him with the same handmade sign.

We were just sitting here trying to absorb the strangeness of the event when she came right back: “Oh, the remnants of sexism are alive and well!”

A minute later, after the police had removed the two men, Clinton said she was going to take questions, “if there’s anybody left in the auditorium who wants to learn how to iron his own shirt.”

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/snappy_comeback.html

[jgraz]

1. Sick shit from a couple of assholes.

We need more ice floes in this country.

[itsrobert]

2. Sounds like they were planted

How did they get by security and Secret Service?

[Cha]

6. They probably looked normal

and had the signs under their un-ironed shirts.

[maximusveritas]

20. Exactly my thoughts

But there are too many people gullible enough to fall for this crap.

[Cha]

3. Yeah, there's no accounting

for some people's neanderthal views!

[origin1286]

4. Sounds like...

Two college kids just doing it for youtube laughs.

[polichick]

5. Good for Hillary...

What ridiculous louts!

[Joe the Revelator]

7. Now THIS is sexism. Good response from Hill

nt

[Uncle Sinister]

8. You mean she WON'T iron my shirts? Damn, I hate her again

[no name no slogan]

9. Good play, Hillary

what a pair of rejects

[Faygo Kid]

10. College Young Republicans, I bet

Same crowd that comes up with stuff like "catch an illegal alien" games.

Put 'em in camouflage and let them go patrol Baghdad.

[parasim]

18. Would the Young Republicans dis one of their own past presidents?

Then again, she did step down from the position over her views on the Civil Rights movement and the Vietnam war, so yeah, it very well could have been them.

[JohnnyLib2]

11. Thanks, Sniffa.

:thumbsup:

[BenDavid]

12. The kind of same sick assholes that obama had at the dinner the

other night when HRC was booed.....Teenagers and now you have this crap.

Remember Obama and Edwards people Hillary hasn't lost anything yet and it is sure not being the nominee.

Wait, the "Obama landslide" was what, 38%? That means 62% of Iowa Democrats didn't like Obama, yet Bush's presswhores keep saying, "America has changed, Obama has charmed the white man." Anybody believe that?

Remember what they did to Harold Ford in 04? Who thinks America has changed in the last 14 months?

[sniffa]

15. You are brilliant!

:patriot:

[gdaerin]

45. Are you

trying to insinuate that these were Obama supporters, or would that kind of statement be too shaky logically for you to come right out and say?

Even if this were real, it's not something a teenager would do, most teenagers have parents or sisters, or more importantly, Girlfriends!

[bigdarryl]

13. don't believe the HYPE i bet my pay check they were planted shes....

trying to go back to the sympathy card with the crying and now this.

[spooky3]

22. Are you unaware of the massive amounts of sexist shit on the internet

about her? If you were, it would not be hard at all for you to believe this little stunt was dreamed up by these sociopathic idiots or the Republicans.

If Obama were similarly targeted, you would be outraged, as you should be.

[libbygurl]

37. No need to look too far for this - look around, right here, on DU. nt

[gdaerin]

40. First

Are you aware of the racist and religious attacks on Obama. I'd bet you are probably, very aware those.

Second, and this is what insults my intelligence the most with this play for my sympathy as a woman, this is not an attack. When you attack someone you do so to try to hurt them, not help them.

This kind of thing only could help her, and that would be pretty obvious to anyone really trying to hurt her, so we have to come to the conclusion that someone who wanted to Help her is behind this, get it?

Third, if there are 'sexists' out there, I'm sure they don't dare to wear their hearts on their sleeves with displays such as these. I'm sure any kind of sexism today is more an unconcious bias.

Look, as a woman, it's exactly these kind of antics that make me feel very strong negative feelings towards her. I'm talking really negative here people. I can't help it, I find her so insulting.

It's interesting to think how the circus she's putting on out there might actually do some real damage to women.

[Whisp]

59. yikes, I didn't think of that....

but you just may be right. would make perfect sense for Hillary to do this - she comes out a winner in two ways:
1. reminder of the blatant sexism out there against her and all women and girls, and how this is an extra burden for her
2. a really good come back comment on her part to show her quick wit (I didn't think she had much of that tho so this sticks out as a bit odd to me.) and how to deal with nasty little surprises.

but then again.
There Are a Lot of first rate Aholes out there that honestly think like that - but somehow I doubt they would be so public about it?? Did they survive getting out of the building, because if I would have been there I just might have waited for them in the parking lot with a Tire 'Iron'. ;)

[Thrill]

14. JERKS

[glennont]

16. Everyone knows

that if you stopped by the oval office for lunch after Hillary had won the election, and you and Bill and Hill were just talkin' away, Hillary would get the coffee, you just know that.

[Raster]

25. glennont, I hope like hell you forgot your sarcasm tag, I really do.

I am not a Hillary fan, but I am sick-to-fucking-death of the sexist bullshit passing itself off as snappy repartee. Welcome to DU, I think.

[Yael]

17. Score Hillary!

:applause:

[spooky3]

19. Touché! Perfect response.

Unfortunately, she has had so many "opportunities" to encounter sexism, she's had time to perfect it.

Can you imagine the outrage if someone held up a similarly racist sign or shouted similarly racist epithets at Obama?

It would be all over the news, as it should be, but I'll bet we'll hear very little about this incident.

[robbedvoter]

21. Love it! Too bad Edwards declared she is not tough enough cuz she cried,

therefore EU will want their shorts ironed too...

[spooky3]

23. that is patently false. Please read his statements, which were posted

in another thread on the greatest page.

[cali]

27. Oh, I read them. And I agree with what Gitlin wrote

And Gitlin has a lefty pedigree that's waay better than Edwards.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/063007.php

[spooky3]

35. You can INTERPRET any comment any way you wish and line up

whoever you wish to join in with you.

But what the earlier poster claimed was a question of fact, and it was FALSE.

[Andromeda]

24. Good post.

Thank you, sniffa.

[gdaerin]

26. Planted

I'd put my money on them being planted, it gave her a chance to appeal to women, to make her look like people were attacking her, and a way to make the news and get more publicity.

C'mon, who would actually do that?! Literally, no one, think about it, in depth. Let's say you're someone who wants to do something like that, you know you're going to be on camera, obviously the consequences would be large.

I really don't think sexism is as rampant as she and her supporters make it out to be. Maybe I'm lucky, but I'm a 26 year old woman in Texas and I've never experienced sexism in any real way. I'm really sorry if that dissapoints some on this site.

[thoughtcrime1984]

30. Absolutely planted, pathetic

clintons grasping at straws now....

[dailykoff]

33. Watch her pull a rabbit out of her hat!

stay tuned..

[Tom Rinaldo]

46. Grasping at straws?

With absolutely no shred of evidence you are accusing Clinton of arranging a sexist display against her and condemning her for it. What do you call making self serving accusations without a shred of evidence - grasping at thin air comes to mind for me.

[gdaerin]

58. I've reviewed the known facts and

I'm sorry if it upsets you that this candidate happens to be known for this type of thing, but since she is, "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best."

[dailykoff]

31. Yes, it's pretty obvious.

My post below was meant to be a response to yours.

[cali]

38. Try to employ a few of those petites cellules grises

Your pea brained little scenario makes no sense whatsoever. Perhaps you thought it up because it's something a brainless little twit like you would do. Ever hear of YouTube, you Texas genius? And no, pookie. The consequenses obviously aren't large. They were escorted out. Duh.

Maybe you're just an idiot and wouldn't know sexism because you don't have the brains to recognize it.

And no, I'm not "dissapointed". Hell, you can't even spell the word.

Pathetic.

[dailykoff]

39. And it just happened to fit perfectly into today's makeover message?

I really don't think so. This was pretty typical trickery.

[Tom Rinaldo]

47. Posts like this are the trickery

Turning any and all opportunities to convict Hillary of some misdead without any need for actual evidence - just leaning on a self perpetuating lie that she WOULD do something like that in your mind so therefor she did it. Just another chance to attack her. Who needs facts?

[dailykoff]

48. Look, lots of people like getting fooled.

The last three weeks have been nothing but scripted tricks, some more ghastly than others, and if you can't see that, fine.

[Tom Rinaldo]

52. Harboring suspicions is acceptable. Not condemming her for something with no evidence

How happy are you reading about John Edward's love child by the way? By your reasoning it could have happened so we might as well accuse him now and save some time.

It sucks. It sucks no matter who it is done to. Innocent until proven guilty is supposed to mean something to Democrats.

[dailykoff]

53. Don't shoot the messenger. (n/t)

[gdaerin]

54. Please post facts

Look, there is no real proof to be had. Do you think I should look this up on Fox news? Maybe you think I should go interview the guys? Because, that's the only way I could get these facts you think I don't care about.

Look, when you argue something did happen because it could have not not happened, that's a logical fallacy.

Unless you can provide real proof then I'm leaning more towards this being a tactic instead of some real event beacuse it's the most likely of the two possibilities, imo.

What I'd be interested to know is, where are these guys? Surely the media would want to find them and interview them.

Please post links to these facts you refer to.

[Tom Rinaldo]

57. You may have placed your reply to the wrong post, but I agree with you

Good post

[gdaerin]

55. Ad Hominem Argument

Lol, thank you for your post. You actually represent your candidate very well, thanks for the insight, I'll file it under the Many reasons not to vote for her.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html

[Little Star]

43. Maybe you should be thankful for all of those that went before you....

Without those brave women it would still be out in the open. Now it is so hidden I would not expect that many younger people would be able to identify it. I actually didn't realize just how bad it still is and I'm ancient!:loveya:

[gdaerin]

50. That doesn't mean she has the right to deceive me

And, that brings questions into my mind, like, does she think I'm that easy to deceive? Or, does she think I'm just going to vote for her because she's a woman?

[dailykoff]

28. I think we're not supposed to notice.

Somebody tried this before not so long ago although I can't remember offhand where.

[gdaerin]

34. Really?

[dailykoff]

36. Yes, not too long ago.

I think it was a female politician but I can't remember who. Not Hillary. I'll try googling it.

[gdaerin]

42. Wait

So you're saying the story was planted here before, or another pol. did this same thing, or she's done it before?

[dailykoff]

44. Very similar stunt, not too long ago.

I forget most of the details, and it might have been an author, but I'm pretty sure it was a politician, somebody like Feinstein.

Edit to add: could have been something I heard in an interview. In fact I think it might have been an interview with Pat Schroeder in the last year or so.

[ElizabethDC]

29. Well played, Senator Clinton! n/t

[FlyingTiger]

32. Now THAT'S some real sexism.

Not only that, but it's pretty pathetic if you don't know how to use a damn iron.

[pacalo]

41. "Since when do straitjackets require ironing?"

[hughee99]

49. Have to agree with the "planted" folks on this one...

Okay, these guys were smart enough, not that you have to be a genius or anything, to get past security with a sign, but they couldn't come up with anything better than this? And what do you know, Hillary with a handy retort no less. Also, the sexism is just so blatant and obvious that it can't be mistaken for anything else. These clowns go through all this trouble, and have no other statement except pure, unrefined sexism. This is just too good for Hillary to be true...

She gets a couple of clowns with a sign so blatant no one can misunderstand it and dismisses them with retort in hand. She can keep the "sexism" issue in the news, without being the one who brought it up. In fact, there's no "other side" to this, so there's no spokesman for the opposition, unlike other back-and-forths she's had with Obama and Edwards. She can paint opposition to her as having no other complaints with her OTHER than her sex, and doesn't have to appear to be "on the attack" because she's not pointing to anything any other candidate said. It's the sort of issue that pushes SOME discussion of the issues, or of her dropping poll numbers, to the back burner. It plays to people who have their heads up their asses, who may know no more about Hillary than she was "attacked for being a woman" during a speech. IF people buy it as genuine, there are so many ways she can use this to her advantage, but I suspect that most people who are paying attention and NOT already Hillary supporters won't buy it. Those who aren't already too jaded by the whole political process will see it as a cheap political stunt and (maybe) feel a little insulted that she though people were too stupid to notice.

Just my 2 cents.

[dailykoff]

51. Yep, that's about the size of it. (n/t)

[ButterflyBlood]

56. Of course you can have a snappy comeback to a planted disruptor

It's not hard.