Fuck it. I'm rooting for Hillary to win tomorrow.

[youthere]

I'm from Iowa and had my shot for Biden..so my support can be nothing but symbolic. I hope Hillary wins tomorrow, if for nothing else just to piss off all the assholes who are slamming her today for being a human being and showing a little emotion. I've NEVER been a Hillary supporter but tomorrow Hillary is my candidate. On Wednesday I will go back to being neutral. I will stand up and cheer for her to win NH. She gets kicked for being too cold...then she gets kicked for "crying". To hell with you all. And before you start in about how "phony" she is, you damn sure better ask yourself if you've ever questioned the sincerity of any male candidate (including your own) that has shown the least bit of emotion. I hope it's Hillary by a landslide..and all of you out there that think that you are providing a service by slamming her every opportunity you get, I hope your "karma" comes back to bite your own candidate in the ass.


On edit...and for those of you that would waste my time by posting reasons why you are justified in acting like immature right wing assholes, don't bother because I don't give a flying fuck.

:nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr:

:rant:

[eileen_d]

1. LOL

K&R - you go!

[Hatchling]

5. So how do you really feel?

K&R

I'm with you. All this bashing of her personally as opposed to her politics is really getting to me.

[Kikosexy2]

157. My vote might switch...

over to Hillary...I still say the safer bet is Edwards...It's not Obama's time...the U.S. is still a sexist and racist nation...I guess everyone got on the Oprah bandwagon...because OPRAH IS GOD!!...If BO is the nominee, he's gonna get eaten alive...Hell, look what they did to Ford in Tennessee...and ask yourself are we really ready for an African American president?...

[azmesa207]

209. Screw

all you Hillary basher's If Obama wins the nomination he will get his ass kicked by the Republican Slime machine . And you can thank all the Hillary Basher's from the democratic side for doing the republican dirty work . If you think they savaged Gore and Kerry watch what they do to your rock star .

[quinnox]

2. hell yea!

I am appalled how supposedly in a Democratic progressive forum people are ragging on Hillary for "crying", they remind me of some old mean right wing hick who makes fun of crying as "not macho". To hell with them!

[aquaman11173]

17. after seeing it.. I'm appalled at how lame it was

Could not have been more fake and contrived than Bill's "I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN"

[grantcart]

69. genuine

It was a a genuine response not contrived. She isn't that good an actor

[pnwmom]

132. You're right, it was genuine.

But after she answered the question, being the pro that she is, she re-focused herself and got back on message.

Welcome to DU!

[TAGGLINES]

100. Right On !!!

That shit was right out of Bill's playbook...What the fuck is she gonna do when she meets up w/ The Big Dogs...at home and abroad...and has to toe the line. Very, Very poor taste. Did't know that she was sooo Emo !!

Folks...this is a war of ideologies...and the left MUST prevail against these Fascist, war mongering pigs...

:nopity:

[Debi]

136. Welcome to DU TAGGLINES

Which Democratic candididate is the facscist, war mongering pig? :shrug:

[progressivebydesign]

147. Sexism lives. n/t

[progressivebydesign]

146. gosh, did you type this entire website address in all by yourself???

Wow.. 15 posts and you're bringing up Monica Lewinsky already. Must be a record. Damn, I thought that Karl Rove would have taken up golf in his retirement, who knew he'd be here today?

[Joe the Revelator]

3. I'm sorry

When did people begin to think that we should all hold hands and love our opponents in the middle of the Primaries.

In the middle of the GE, if the republican starts getting slammed, are we suppose to let up on him so that he can get his footing back? Do we root for him to win a few polls to help his feelings?

Give me a break.

[Clintonista2]

7. Hush

[Joe the Revelator]

30. Its a valid point Lirwin...

As honest as you can be, if the tables were turned, and Obama was imploding, would you feel sorry for him and want to let him catch his breath, or would you continue on until he was out of the picture?

[femrap]

56. If he were attacked because of the

color of his skin??? If I posted some of the things I have been hearing, I'd be banned. But it's OK to call Hillary anything.

You're clueless....must be white, self-entitled male.

[D23MIURG23]

108. LMAO

Irony much?

[butterfly77]

118. Don't worry...

if Hillary is down tommorrow the attacks will begin on Obama and it won't be pretty. Once he is the nominee everything will be thrown at him. I don't want to the nominee to be chosen yet. The media is making sure to be nice to Obama now and then it will begin. I am already tired of hearing about his middle name, or that he is a muslim. If you watch the repubs they are so giddy because they know once Hillary is out they will have a ball. Some people seem to forget what the CONS have done for the past seven years. They are ready to pounce and they have the questions set up for Obama and once he says something they can use we will hear a lot of buyers remorse. They have already chosen our candidates.

[femrap]

133. Hopefully Edwards is speaking the

truth when he says he will stay in the race...his message scares them while it is music to my ears.

Excellent analysis of our situation, butterfly77.

[pnwmom]

134. If he were imploding because of racist attacks -- as the attack against HRC

is sexist -- I would be rooting for his triumph, absolutely.

Why are Mitt's tears "poignant" and George's "moving"? But HRC's emotion either "phony" or a sign of "weakness"? Sexism, plain and simple. A woman is damned if she doesn't show emotion, and damned if she does.

[progressivebydesign]

152. the saddest thing is the attacks on HRC are HERE on DU.

I read your post and thought.. so true.. then I realized that it's the MSM that is typically saying those things, but the venom against Hillary was here, on a supposedly progressive site. I suspect that many many of the past year's new members are of the young male variety, who have never actually been around to see the struggles women have been through. If we aren't ready to put out, or aren't a size 0, or not 20, then women have no use for them. They're using anything they can to marginalize Hillary because she's not only a woman, but a woman who has no use to them. She's not a gamer, she's not posing in Maxim, and she's not tattooed.

[pnwmom]

222. I've been stung by all the venom around here, too.

Unfortunately, it's not just young men who don't have any idea what HRC has been through. A lot of young women don't seem to know any history either.

[ProudDad]

233. The REAL saddist thing is that DU

used to be a PROGRESSIVE board...

But, nothing stays the same -- it either changes for the better or for the worse...

Too many "conservative Dems" here now...it at times resembles a planning meeting of the C of C...

[emilyg]

177. I would.

[maddiejoan]

11. hehehe

this from the guy that whines everytime Clinton throws a punch.

[Joe the Revelator]

25. Where have I whined?

Do tell.

[maddiejoan]

33. OMG

anytime Hillary comments on another candidate you're like a non-stop whining machine

[Joe the Revelator]

38. Maybe we have different definitions of whining

[TwilightZone]

42. "Whine" and "Wolsh" both have five letters.

Coincidence?

[1corona4u]

61. LOL...

[D23MIURG23]

109. And 2+3=5 !!!!!

The Illuminati is all over this one!!!!!!

[Vilis Veritas]

122. Perhaps.

But not because of those numbers...;-)

[SaveOurDemocracy]

114. Love it! ;o) n/t

[aquart]

156. No.

None.

[comradebillyboy]

34. wolsh when have you not whined? nt

[Cant trust em]

139. Seriously, I mean, come on

We're suddenly supposed to be Hillary supporters now that she's down in the dumps and is crying? What have you done for me lately, Mrs. Clinton?

[aquart]

149. Leg? Arm? Neck?

[kstewart33]

She's a Dem, one of our own.

Can you not see the difference?

[Little Star]

4. Good on you! Where do we women go to buy a burka?

[Hieronymus]

6. Go for it .. I guess she's not too different than Biden, who is on

your avatar.
Hillary is about to have her ass handed to her.

[1corona4u]

62. So, where does that leave John boy??

He's not going to beat Obama. I'd say he's done tomorrow. Consider his as handed to him as well.

[tavalon]

93. It's distinctly possible that his Presidential aspirations are done tomorrow,

but if Senator Obama is smart, and having read his first book, there is no if, he will choose Edwards as his running mate. I wish it were the other way around but so be it.

[Native]

154. The way Edwards was shamelessly cozying up to Obama during the debate,

I have a feeling it has already been decided.

[kenfrequed]

106. Meh

This deal isn't closed yet. Iowa and New Hampshire historically don't determine that much outside of the stupid process-strategizing of the media and the intellectual masturbation of the punditocracy.

[aquart]

151. Because of INDEPENDENTS????

Because of gutless little superior wishy-washies who won't deign to soil themselves with dirty party "politics" but will show up to distort an election process they've already opted out of? LIKE HELL!

[progressivebydesign]

153. I take back what I said earlier that Edwards supporters were nice.

ugh.

[Clintonista2]

8. k&r

[ORDagnabbit]

9. wow her handlers must be pleased with the response they're getting from this "event"

[aquart]

155. "Her handlers"? Because she's just a puppet?

Isn't it time for a personal, interior ass inspection?

[zulchzulu]

10. Are you a betting person too?

I bet you 100 bucks she loses badly. Game?

[thoughtcrime1984]

19. I agree with zulch

And I can't believe that nobody sees through the Clinton shenanigans.

[femrap]

60. and you have fallen for

the BIG BAD PLATFORM OF ..........(drum roll)........CHANGE??? WTF? Who in this entire country (Dem or Repugnant) doesn't want CHANGE?

He's a cult figure and a hypocrite....taking $$$ from Big Pharma yet saying he'll fight them. Oh and btw, he's finally found his papa...The Big Corporaton...it'll take good care of him.

Do some research:

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011675.php

[progressivebydesign]

159. Thank you! Couldn't have said it better...

.. but don't confuse his supporters with facts about him.. cuz he's a "rock star"! And image is all that matters. That's how we got Bush and Reagan. Someone actually referred to HRC as "old school" and that everyone supports Obama cuz he's young and different! I think it was Bill Richardson that said the other day, 'since when is resume considered leprosy"?? (I paraphrase).


I don't want a rock star, I want someone who can kick ass on day one. I don't want someone who can give rousing speeches, I want someone who can do the job.

[emilyg]

180. Exactly.

Obama supporters have blinders.

[Danger Mouse]

214. Please. And Clinton is the very standard of integrity?

She's every bit as dirty as Obama.

[Danger Mouse]

217. if you're a clinton supporter...then criticizing Obama for being on the corporate take

is laughably hypocritical.
if that is not the case, then go about your business, and have a nice day. i have no beef with you. :hi:

[1corona4u]

52. She may lose, or should I say....

she stands a good chance of losing, but I can assure you, the Obama and Edwards supporters, and their sanctimonious bullshit on this board, have lost more than one vote for their candidate.

Keep it up, we still have another 48 states to go after tomorrow.... you'll push even more people away. I can't stand the hateful bullshit you all spew day after day.

[thoughtcrime1984]

125. If anyone votes based on what people type on a msg board

Then they need to think for their friggin selves. I'm as passionate for my candidate as you are for yours. I just happen to not like yours very much, oh well, you'll have that. I have already been pushed FAR from Hillary by her own actions. Sorry that so many do not like this.

[redqueen]

128. You're for Obama and you're being mean to Hillary.

I'm gonna start trashing Obama and support Hillary, just for that!

:crazy:

It's like fuckin Romper Room in here, seriously.

[progressivebydesign]

164. A candidate is only as good as the people that support him.

I was open minded about Obama at first, read up on him and decided he wasn't what I was looking for but still open to him if he gets the nod or my fave drops out. Then... I visited DU again after a few months off. Contrary to what you think, the venom spewed against HRC by the Obama supporters here has turned off so many people, and I am one of them. If a candidate seems to attract only misinformed assholes, then I have to deduce that he is not worthy of my support. I hate assholes. It's one of my quirks. I'm coming to a point where I may not vote for Obama even if he gets the nod...

[thoughtcrime1984]

200. Whatever floats your boat

You're putting too much emotion and stock in a simple message board, IMO.

[tridim]

12. I'm rooting for the Demcrats to win tomorrow.

So there. :)

[oasis]

13. Obama and Huckabee are both one-term material. Wake up Democrats.

We will have hell to pay if Obama leaves the presidency in a mess.

[Kucinich4America]

55. And Hillary is ZERO term material

So who are you supporting?

[oasis]

67. Who am I supporting?...Okay, pay attention. In the following order: # 1 Hillary

#2 Edwards #3 Biden #4 Richardson #5 Dodd #6 Obama #7 Gravel #7 My Precinct Capt. Janet Miles #8 My grocer, Mr. Pegram #9 Dennis Kuchinich.

[Kucinich4America]

78. OK, pay attention to this.

You're on the ignore list. I don't put up with psycho stalkers. :)

[oasis]

81. Lesson#1 Grasshopper: Don't start anything you can't finish.

:hi: bye bye.

[kenfrequed]

107. uhm...did you use the number 7 twice on purpose?

Seriously, the complete derision by the Hillary camp for Kucinich makes no sense. Strategically having him in the race as long as possible helps Hillary by spliting the prog vote. So why is there so much under the table work to keep him out of the debates and marginalized.

It never really made much sense to me, though it seems to be a good representation about how the left has been treated for years within the party we are supposed to just line up and vote for.

Truely sad.

[oasis]

110. Uhm.....are you "truely" sad, or are you "truly" sad?

:eyes:

[kenfrequed]

197. thanks for filling in

I mean despite my at-work-feverish-typing-during-my-break-typo I actually managed to have CONTENT alongside my snarky spitball at your post. You replied with snark sans-content.

Good for you, you may have put my computer spellcheck out of work.

If you don't intend to reply to my content in the future, don't bother replying at all.

[oasis]

221. Don't lecture me. Your so called "content" was buried by your snarky intent.

No need to reply to Kook---er Kooch supporters after today, he's history.

[kenfrequed]

227. Of course

Why should the left be addressed in any regard? Far easier to just throw a few empty platitudes and buzzwords, say as little as possible so that you can run like gangbusters to the right during the general (never mind that you cannot win with a strategy like that) and then after getting elected run even further to the right.

I wonder if it occurs to any of you that a lot of us on the left, people who have been resisting the Bush administration since the begining of it, actually do care about the fate of this nation. I am continually surprised at the arguments I encounter here for moderation, moderate candidates, and agasint impeachement. I thought this website was called "Democratic underground", not "the Association of squishy moderate DINO lovers"

[oasis]

113. Check post #55

A Kooch supporter comes out of nowhere so write "Hillary is zero term material".

I remind you that DK asked his supporters to caucus for Obama in Iowa.

[DemCam]

14. Rock on, youthere!

Love all those mushroom clouds!

[malta blue]

15. Well then.... youthere.

Nice rant. I don't see what all the hype is about anyway. She did not cry. At least none of the clips I have seen show her cry.

[Cooley Hurd]

97. Her voice cracked, but it wasn't blubbering, by any means...

:shrug:

[MS Liberal]

16. I agree with you.

God bless you. You have a good soul.

[HughMoran]

18. Excellent rant

I'm getting sick of the hate too.

[no name no slogan]

20. Great post, but not enough smileys

K&R'd

[KingFlorez]

21. Great post!

:applause:

[Andromeda]

22. I could kiss you.

But I won't. Just a hug instead. :hug:

[polmaven]

103. Kiss?? Hug?? What's up with that??

HOW FEMALE!!!!! :wow:

(:sarcasm:)

[TwilightZone]

23. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

[sandnsea]

24. Good because Obama's going to RAISE YOUR TAXES!!!!!!!

aaaaacccccckkk!!!

If people don't get what kind of phony she is after this, then they just don't want to see.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3983464

[aquart]

148. ALL of them are going to raise our taxes.

BUSH raised our taxes, but he called them "fees."

[progressforward]

26. Why not. n/t

[FlyingSquirrel]

27. I think your reasons are sound. nt

[FlyingSquirrel]

28. I think your reasons are sound. nt

[Flabbergasted]

29. LOL This is Hillarious....

Do we always root for the underdog?

[FlyingSquirrel]

31. At the moment I'm becoming a bit embarrassed to be an Edwards supporter

C'mon guys, show a little class.

[Flabbergasted]

37. Meaning?

I am just amazed at how things can shift so quickly. I'm not judging.

[FlyingSquirrel]

47. Ok

I was just kind of disappointed at how quickly Edwards pounced earlier today (even though he did not specifically say anything bad about HRC)... fortunately he only brought up the strength / resolve thing once, and since then he has only said that the campaign process is grueling and that he has no other comment on the so-called story. I really wish that Edwards supporters would follow his lead and not comment any further. I understand that you are mainly commenting on the mood at DU.

[aquart]

160. Happened to me a couple of days ago.

Which is unfortunate since I still have a while to waffle till I vote.

[sendero]

32. I didn't see it .. I heard it..

.. and it was as rehearsed as any campaign speech.

Forget that, the very fact that she DARES to talk about change after her continued complicity in the creation of the problems she now wants to "change" is what amaze me.

Sorry, not buying it.

[ordinaryaveragegirl]

35. Romney's blubbering was fake...

HRC's isn't. She's someone who seems genuinely grateful for the opportunities she's had, and concerned about our future. If someone with an (R) behind their name gets in, heaven forbid, we're in for another 4 (or more) years of social regression. Mark my words. She's right, as are Edwards, Obama, Richardson, and Kucinich. We can't afford to regress any more into this mire the Repugs have put us into. I'm not 100% on exactly who I'd vote for yet, but Hillary won some brownie points with me today for letting the public see that she has a heart.

It's not just about strength, it's about humanity. One without the other gets you nowhere. Just look at *...all balls, no brains, and certainly no heart, despite the "compassionate conservative" bullshit he threw out there in '00. I'm sure glad the candidates on our side of the aisle have more passion and compassion in one finger than all of the Repugs lumped together.

[barbtries]

96. well put.

clinton really rose in my estimation after i watched the clip. i gained a greater understanding of how much a campaign demands of a person. how exhausting it is. i believe more fully in why she wants to be president.

but whatever. now i don't want to see her take a drubbing today. those who do say it was fake and disgusting. gwbush's emotion is fake and disgusting, and there has not been one instance that i can say i was taken in by his bullshit since ever.

regardless. i'm not in NH and i'm still for kucinich. but clinton may have won my second choice spot yesterday. it seems i'm determined to root for the underdog. :) oh well

[aquart]

161. Bush only has balls for sending other people into danger.

Basically, he has false balls.

[usregimechange]

36. Not an emotional type decision, imo... too important for that

[indimuse]

39. kick!

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

[LostinVA]

40. You know I've always liked you-- and now I have another reason to

:pals:

[superkia]

41. Im not voting on substance my primary either, when Maryland...

comes around I will vote for who ever people are talking bad about because I really don't give a shit about my children's future or any or yours either. I think we should all vote like this, why take our children's future seriously. I have seen more and more posts like this and it shows that I am not the only ignorant jackass in the country that will vote for someone because they are picked on. Fuck the issues!

[femrap]

65. The ISSUE is the Sexist Treatment and Attitudes

that exist here on DU where supposed Leftie boys reside. You sound like neanderthal repugnants.

You can't even see what the issue is....you're talk like just another self-entitled white male.

I sure hope you don't have any daughters. Raise your consciousness...listen for a change.

[demommom]

86. Issues?

Let's make History, first black man: first woman:
hell,we've already had the first Neanderthal; elected 2 times. Who the hell cares about issues. Hair is more important,and how much is paid for haircuts; and whether you are the first of something or the other.
How nasty we can be to each other,now that is an issue.

[progressivebydesign]

168. As long as you're being snarky....

... it would make sense not to vote for the person who has decades of experience FIGHTING for the lives of children. :sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

43. this comment says it all. Right on!!

......She gets kicked for being too cold...then she gets kicked for "crying". To hell with you all.

[Cha]

44. That's really a smart way

to pick a candidate..very surface like.

[mtnsnake]

45. I love your passion, youthere!

:thumbsup:

[KennedyGuy]

46. Faaaaantastic!

A big kick and rec!

[Beausoir]

48. Thank you.

[1corona4u]

49. I'll join you in that!!

It really pisses me off the way the OTHERS,, and their supporters are acting!!! They're like fucking vultures!!!

[femrap]

50. K and fucking R

I am beginning to believe that these snotty little lefty boys are going to be responsible for a rise in the Women's Movement.

Aren't they annoying little brats? Love your rant, youthere!! Sing it!

And as far as that Karma goes, I hope it comes back and bites somewhere else than the ass! lol!

Some of little brats keep saying that Hillary, woman, can't beat the gop candidate. All I gotta say is how do you think Obama, a black man, is gonna get the southern Red States to vote for him?

Shirley Chisolm always said, "Men are men."

Thanks for the rant!

[progressivebydesign]

174. We're in an era of lefty boys convinced by advertisers that they are gods...

Seriously. They've grown up in a world where women are only useful if they're: young, thin, breasty, willing to put out, play video games. They've been convinced by people who want them to buy things that they are somehow more SPECIAL and more INTERESTING and more POWERFUL than they really are. Dude- they're just trying to get you to drink more Mountain Dew, it's not that you're any more entitled or special or good looking than any other sex, race, age, or style. Though I know it's hard to understand, as most of your experiences seem to involve playing games or drinking or eating pizza, but there is actual value in people that aren't showing their tits on Myspace or screwing virtual hookers (then killing them) in GTA.

The advertisers have done a number on you. It's not your fault you think you rule the world, that's their idea. They prop up your adolescent egos in order to get you to buy more stuff, rather than grow as adults and read a book or volunteer to help others.

FYI boys, we're not electing a "rock star", it's not a contest for a new veejay on MTV, this will be the leader of the free world, someone that has the experience and power to keep your sorry asses out of a draft. Now take your special little selves over to 7-11 for some Red Bull and the latest copy of Maxim.

[rch35]

191. that is outrageous

playing video games isn't a requirement for a useful woman!

[rch35]

206. and btw

I find this whole little rant you've gone on to be incredibly misinformed. While you put the plight of women on the current generation and our sexism, it really forces you to just look back and remember how great women had it in the past. I'm not saying the womens rights movement, or any of the smaller movements associated with it are bad, in fact I support them, and I believe there is much work to be done to make women equal in not just law, but in practice, in government where it is dominantly male, etc.

But I am below 30, and sometimes i drink Mountain Dew, and I do enjoy an occasional romp of GTA killing, i find pizza incredibly tasty, and getting drunk is just a downright enjoyable experience a lot of the time. I guess this must mean that my "adolescent ego" has taken control of me. That really jives with the political science degree I am in college working on, payed in part by me working long hours, and some scholarship money I got from working my ass off before college too. So you should consider stop generalizing about whole generations of Americans, and look back and realize, there were assholes in your generation too, and there were really really stupid trends, as there have in every generation, and realize that just because you're older, doesn't necessarily make you right.

P.S. I hate MTV and Red Bull
P.P.S. I'll be getting the new GTA game when it comes out, I'll let you borrow it after I beat it.

[ButterflyBlood]

51. LOL

Yeah, people are just going to be all nice during the primaries.

[ronnykmarshall]

53. Thanks!

I like Biden as well. He was my #2 as well as my mom and step dad.

Thanks for your post. Not just because it's warmed my heart, but it helps me update my ignore list with the replies.

:yourock:

[loveangelc]

54. do you really want to talk about karma?

for months, the clinton people have been acting like they are above answering questions (and still do) and attacked obama on everything from kindergarten to drug use. she thought that this would be a cakewalk and everyone should just get ready because she was going to win. the fact that this is backfiring on her and she wants to play the victim is karma imo.

[aquart]

170. "Cakewalk"? Now there's a deliberately loaded word.

The massive amount of fundraising and planning that went into Clinton's campaign alone proves you are flat out lying with that ridiculous assertion. The first viable woman candidate for president thinking it would be EASY? Either you are completely delusional or a deliberate liar. I'm going with deliberate liar just on the basis of your choice of "cakewalk."

Nice try. Now stuff it in an orifice.

[NoPasaran]

57. Right on!

Give 'em Hil!

[Cameron27]

58. Yea!

I won't forget this, I really won't.

K&R

[Tashca]

59. I'm with you all the way on this one!!

I never thought I would support her in any way shape or form...but today was over the top.

[itsrobert]

63. Looks like the little ploy is working in Hillary's favor

Just how corporate market researchers predicted.

[Apollo11]

91. I'm amazed that some people think it was not planned in advance.

Time for a reality check. Everything the candidates say at these public meetings and when the TV cameras are on them is planned and prepared in advance.

Clinton's campaign team was worried that maybe she had come across as too tough in the ABC TV debate, and so Hillary needed to show that she also has a softer side.

Notice how they basically set the whole thing up like a press conference. All the TV cameras were invited to capture the moment when Hillary showed her softer side.

Hillary's message seems to be: "Please vote for me because if I don't start winning soon then I will really take it personally. Haven't I suffered enough already?"

[sss1977]

101. EXACTLY

[bunkerbuster1]

141. Here is why it wasn't planned in advance:

If you are planning to break down and get emotional, you don't do it when someone asks "Who does your hair."

You do it when someone asks about Iraq, or struggling-to-get-by Americans, or something meaty.

[aquart]

166. Was that the question?

The fatigue must be horrendous.

[bunkerbuster1]

172. Yes, it was.

It was preceded by something equally innocuous.

"How do you do it? How do you keep up ... and who does your hair?"

[progressivebydesign]

169. OMG- I TOTALLY take back my nice words about Edwards supporters now.

That's two in one thread. SOrry, but I now pronounce Hillary and Biden's supporters to be the nicest.

[Colobo]

64. Obama will win tomorrow.

[progressivebydesign]

176. the award for the most random post today. wtf? n/t

[Mz Pip]

66. I'm not

15 seconds of genuine emotion does not negate the crap she has been dishing out today.

It just doesn't. Playing the Al Qaida card pretty much cancelled out her moment of emotion.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[AZBlue]

68. I'm an Obama supporter, yet I have mixed feelings about tomorrow.

Obviously I'd like him to be the Dem candidate. However, I am sickened at the thought of Iowa and New Hampshire choosing our candidate for us. I feel if anyone were to win both, the contest would be done, too many just jumping on the bandwagon without thought or discussion. Such a dilemma...

[1corona4u]

71. Yep.

And the rest of us have no choice. If we want to vote at least. Time for sweeping changes I think.

[AZBlue]

244. I agree.

Once the 08 elections are over, my next focus will be election reform, one day for national primaries, electoral college overhaul and the like.

[Blue_In_AK]

70. That's funny, I'm kind of feeling that way, too...

And she has always been my last choice. I'm just kind of sick of the Obama coronation going on when this thing has barely started. It feels like we're being stampeded.

[HughLefty1]

173. I agree...

I'm feeling that Iowa and NH have basically picked our candidate. I live in CA and have been basically uncommitted but after yesterday sincerely hope HRC puts in a decent showing in NH.

Some of the Obama fans on this forum truly suck. I cried the past two presidential elections because of * and can't believe I'm seriously considering changing parties to cast a vote for Ron Paul next month.

[annie1]

72. Right on. thanks.

[CyberPieHole]

73. Good on that, youthere. Kick and recommend! n/t

[hfojvt]

74. the politics of silliness

because it is all just a game, and poor widdle Hiwwawy's feelings matter far more than the future of this party, of the poor and working class, and of the country. Because I, or somebody else who cares about progressive issues, typed something mean on the internets, we all deserve to have another President Clinton to set the progressive movement back another two decades or more.

The logic there is ironclad.

[Horse with no Name]

79. Aint that the fucking truth. n/t

[progressivebydesign]

178. Umm.. the "poor and the working class" THRIVED under Clinton.

As did civil rights, the health of children, education, etc. etc. etc. I'm not sure what utopian dream you're envisioning, but Bill Clinton did more for workers and families than anyone ever has.

[hfojvt]

202. sure they did

welfare reform, NAFTA, and the telecommunications act were all designed to benefit the working class. When he entered office in 1993 the share of income going to the top 5% was 21%, when he left office it was 21.9%. The share of income going to the bottom 40% was stagnant, it dropped by .1%.

"More than anyone ever has". Yeah, he makes FDR and LBJ look like pikers. NOT. Kennedy/Johnson for example took the poverty rate from 18.1% down to 10%. Clinton took it from 12.3% down to 8.7%. When he entered office the real value of the minimum wage was $4.61 when he left office it was $4.56 (in 1996 dollars). When Kennedy entered office it was $6.03 and when Johnson left office it was $7.21. It didn't used to be utopian to expect the real value of the minimum wage to increase.

[JVS]

224. But employment skyrocketed! Everyone had TWO jobs!

;-)

[pingzing58]

75. I don't f*ing care about Iowa or NH and that's why I want Hillary to win!!! I want a contest.

[BeyondGeography]

76. Feel better now?

:boring:

[Catherine Vincent]

77. Hey you there....!

Great post! :thumbsup:

[PassingFair]

80. Fuck it. Nobody cares.

Nobody cares that Hillary "cried".

In fact, she didn't "cry".

What makes me sick about her little performance is the TIMING.

The NIGHT after Edwards jumps out in a debate by stating that
"it's personal" for him that the 'pukes be taken out, she's
using the SAME WORDING and adding a touch of:





LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!!!!

[stillrockin]

82. boo hoo

:smoke:

[LittleBlue]

83. She won't, but thanks for contributing

We don't need such hateful, spiteful elements in the party. If you base your choice off of DU posters, then please don't bother polluting the vote.

[Faryn Balyncd]

84. Personally, I found Hillary's emotion sincere & moving. I like her. But I think Edwards is a better

choice.

I certainly did not find her insincere.

In fact, she caused tears to well in my eyes.

Speaking of Biden, I wish he were in the race. I believe he would be perhaps our best candidate, would inspire & energize Americans, & would be probably our best president.

But as of this point, I think Edwards is our best chance to beat the forces of evil, & also best positioned to resist being compromised by corporatist pressures.

[demommom]

85. You go!! " God love ya"!!

I'm with you. I don't think it was phony. :toast:

[jillan]

87. Hillary is my candidate tomorrow too.

I am not throwing my support to her, but this election is too important for it to be over.
and if Obama wins tomorrow - it's over.

[avrdream]

88. Thank you soooooo much for expressing my feelings so well.

I am absolutely pissed off at John Edwards' remarks today. True fuckin' colors came out today, that's for sure. He will never get my vote.

[wiley]

89. Feb 5th is my turn!

I support her and have respected her courage and intelligence and ability to dedicate her life to this country. She has personally helped me, my family members and my friends when she could just as easily flipped us off. I don't care if there is a more rhetorically on message and appealing crisp new candidate that doesn't leave the media ratings flat and faux journalists suffering from ennui. This whole front loaded media controlled BS nomination process is crap. Why would any Democrat even be thinking they want bi-partisanship at this point? How many times do we have to bend over and get stuck with raw butt sores and the least common denominator.

[ProSense]

90. I'm not rooting for

media bias.

[JTFrog]

92. I'd probably vote for Hillary if I didn't give a flying fuck too.

I'd be careful about that karma talk tho. Looks like your candidate already has a sore ass.

[Perry Logan]

94. Can you say M-I-S-O-G-Y-N-Y-? I thought you could.

[skids]

104. Can you say D-E-A-N S-C-R-E-A-M? n/t

[GrimReefa]

95. "Acting like ... right wing assholes"

Interesting choice of words, when your new favorite candidate recently had this to say...

“I don’t think it was by accident that Al Qaeda decided to test the new prime minister. They watch our elections as closely as we do, maybe more closely than some of our fellows citizens do…. Let’s not forget you’re hiring a president not just to do what a candidate says during the election, you want a president to be there when the chips are down.”

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/clinton_heighte.html

[aquart]

171. Welcome to DU.

Can't imagine where you were before.

[MissDeeds]

98. I hope you aren't serious

If you want to vote for her because of her positions, record, or platform, then terrific - you should vote for her. But if you are going to cast your ballot for HRC for no other reason than "to piss off all the assholes who are slamming her today for being a human being and showing a little emotion" you are doing yourself and this country no favors. Certainly, you meant to include the sarcasm symbol in your post. A vote garnered through pity is pathetic and beneath you.

[formercia]

99. If Hillary is such a sensitive human being

then why didn't she ask for the camera to be turned off?

Just asking.

[Roland99]

102. Al that matters to me about her is....

DLC ... AIPAC ... NAFTA ... IWR ... PNAC... etc.

[Stump]

105. I've never slammed Hillary

However, I won't be voting for her in the primaries and I believe Obama is gonna wrap it up soon. Are we being pushed? Probably so, but it doesn't change the facts. It is what it is.

[EV_Ares]

121. Same here, I think she has got a raw deal in certain cases, the media sucks for

everyone. However, that said, I think she has got the wrong people evidently running her campaign and we can see how those kind of mis-steps can kill you in the general election. There is no way Gore or Kerry should have lost their elections to GWB. Also, Hillary is so closely aligned with people such as the establishment, Washington insiders, lobbyists, letting Rupert Murdoch hold a fundraiser at his home. I think with Obama's electability, his speaking ability, his youthfulness, his voice of change, he is the better candidate or Edwards for that matter over Hillary.

[progressivebydesign]

179. Oh okay then.. Obama's gonna "wrap it up soon"

nice that the rest of the fucking country has NO say in this. It's wrong.. the point of a primary SEASON is to test the candidates and let the VOTERS decide who they'll choose.

[Stump]

242. Oh OK then...

let's wait and see...

[progressoid]

111. There's one way to prove the other candidates are sincere....

a hunting photo-op.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2619250&mesg_id=2619250

[IronLionZion]

112. Bwahahaha!

Well done! And I see you have 69 recs. Emotion is a good thing, and frankly I didn't see any crying.

:toast: :applause:

[Rockholm]

115. Hey You There. Thanks for this post.

Nice to see there are some others out there who are paying attention.

[focusfan]

116. why vote for Hillary

she has took money from lobbyist and these religous right
wingers she is no better than Bush

[rockybelt]

117. It's aa wonder I can see anything

when I have to peer out of this ass hole that I'm in. So, just call me another ass-hole.

[Myrina]

119. Yes, she's about as sincere and 'hurt' and 'warm and 'fuzzy' as ...

.... Lady MacBeth.

[sniffa]

120. Fuck it! I'm rooting for her to get her ass handed to her

[Colobo]

123. Me too!

[Labors of Hercules]

124. DAMN RIGHT!!!

[redqueen]

126. Doesn't primary season just bring out the best in us all?

O8)

[GMFORD]

127. Hillary is a terrific candidate.

As are Edwards, Obama, Richardson, Kucinich and even Gravel (and so were *sniffle* Biden and Dodd). They are all running on a sound democratic platform. The country will be better off when any of them win in November.

Hillary was ahead, now Obama is ahead, maybe it will be Edwards next -- whoever wins the primary will get my vote in November. Not only that, I'll put up a yard sign, afix a bumper sticker and wear the pin. I'll donate the their campaign and go from door to door as part of the GOTV effort.

And whoever wins the Republican nomination will be Public Enemy #1 -- let's face it any one of our candidates has more integrity, more honesty and better politics in their little finger than the entire republican slate put together.

(deep breath)

Just sayin'

[PatSeg]

129. Great Post Youthere

I'm not supporting any of the candidates right now, but I'm not happy with the media right now (so what else is new?). Matthews played a great clip of Hillary putting him in his place with great charm and wit. That is the Hillary that should have been out there all along. That doesn't change her position on many issues that I don't necessarily agree with, but it did show a real person who I could relate to.

[Beacool]

130. Thank you for your post!!

You have eloquently expressed the frustration that some of us feel of the treatment that Hillary has always received since she came to national attention. I've seen a lot of misogynist comments from the media, other politicians and regular folks piled on this remarkable woman over the years. Everything about her for the last 16 years makes news and is dissected mercilessly: her hair, clothes, age, laughter, etc.

I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with her position on the issues because that is a legitimate argument, but to bash her because she had one small emotional moments after many months of campaigning is infuriating!!!

I'm perfectly aware that today she will lose to Obama, but this is only the beginning. While it is a setback, there's still February 5th and I think it's way too soon to declare her candidacy dead on its tracks. Same goes for Edwards.

Here in NJ, we are taking it in stride and in my neighborhood (Hoboken) we are meeting tonight for Happy Hour to bolster our spirits and to plan our strategy. Remember: Never surrender, never give up!!!!

[pnwmom]

131. I think the Hillary-trashers have no idea

how much sympathy they generate for HRC among people who aren't her supporters.

I'm with you -- part of me wants her to do very well just to spite the nasties out there.

[Marrah_G]

143. I'm right there with you

I have many of them on permanent ignore now. Anyone willing to carry water for the RW by tearing our own party leaders to pieces is worthless in my book.

I've lost so much respect for so many people. I'm really saddened by it all. Even Skinners post applauding those willing to stand up for those they aren't supporting fell of the page quickly. It seems much of DU has been so consumed by hatred and have fallen so hard for the propaganda that they can no longer behave in a civilized manner.

[Auntie Bush]

223. "Anyone willing to carry water for the RW by tearing our own party leaders to pieces is worthless "

Ditto for me. I'm throughly disgusted with soooo many posters here. You'd think they were quoting Rush Limbaugh and this were Free republic.
In fact I think some are even worse. It gives me great sorrow to see fellow Democrats be so disrespectful and vicious...just like Republicans. Who knows...maybe some are true real life Freepers.

[Debi]

135. But youthere...the Hillary supporters tried to kill you at your caucus

:wow: with poisoned food!!

I spent most of yesterday in The Lounge (and getting my ass kicked in the JBSG) so missed the bashing, guess I have some catching up to do.

Stop by the Iowa Forum, you've been missed. :hi:

[youthere]

150. OMYGOD DEBI!

I wasn't going to respond to any posts on this thread but I actually went to the emergency room Fri. night. I was so sick.

'No one else that ate Hillary food at caucus got sick except for me...she's singling me out for some reason! LOL!

[Debi]

158. I am so sorry!! I called Seth a Loser for not showing up Friday night

and gave you a pass (thank God I gave you a pass! I would be feeling really guilty right now).

I hope you are okay now :hug:

Did you make fun of Hillary crying? I hear that has pissed some folks off...would that have made them try to kill you? :shrug:

I remember the Clinton supporters brought food to caucus, but so did the Edwards and Obama and Dodd and Biden folks (but I didn't eat any of it - none - I got too busy and by the time I went to get food it was gone!) As far as I know nobody was poisoned at my caucus (of course since Hillary didn't get a delegate out of my caucus I'm not going to eat anything that comes in the mail! :7)

[youthere]

162. LOL!

I'm feeling MUCH better now. I suppose hubby and I could have swung by the ID on our way home from St. Lukes!

I think it's ALWAYS a good idea to avoid food that comes in the mail...I remember a particularly awful mailed-food episode from when I was nine....my grandmother mailed us fruitcake! :puke:

Beware of ticking brownies!
:scared:

Í'm begging all the Iowa DU'ers to plan another meet up real soon.

[sallyseven]

137. I just made a substantial contribution

to Hillary's campaign. I watched Dan Abrams last night and he hit it right on the head. The MSM is going after Hillary but not Obama. They are making the sure that the candidate they want is the winner. He was excellent. You know that Obama cannot stand up to the Corporate interests in this country. They made the last selection too. Edwards doesn't have a chance of a snowball in hell against what the MSM won't allow people to know. Now I will send a contribution to Edwards.

[Beacool]

163. Great, I did too!

I saw McAuliffe last night (I forgot in which program) and he mentioned that they received $1M in the four days after the IA loss.

Too many people are ringing the death toll of her campaign prematurely. There are some of us who don't vote with the wind, we have a candidate and we stick with that person through thick and thin until every vote is counted and every primary has been played out.

Let's not rush like lemmings over the cliff just because the media has now found their new darling and they have already proclaimed him the winner.

[emilyg]

181. I did, too.

[Cant trust em]

138. She wasn't emotional just because she loves America so much

She started to get emotional because she can see her campaign going down the drain. That being said, I feel that this can only help her and really did make me like her more, and I'm not a Hillary supporter. She needs to say more things like what she said to CNN.

“It's usually a mother who throws arm around me and says thank you for the Children's Health Care insurance program, or a man who drove here all the way here from New York to say I'd saved jobs in New York. That's really moving to me. That's how I judge the job I'm doing."

She can point to all of the concrete things that she's done and not just talk about change like Obama and Edwards.

[bunkerbuster1]

140. If I had a buck for every time I've felt that way...

I'd be rooting for Huckabee's FairTax so I could screw po' folks.

K&R'd, I hear ya, and all that. I almost certainly won't vote for Hillary, except maybe out of spite for those who so richly deserve to live under a female President.

[progressivebydesign]

182. Sexism is alive and well....

Did you actually write this knowingly? " I almost certainly won't vote for Hillary, except maybe out of spite for those who so richly deserve to live under a female President" And yeah.. there's no issue with sexism in this election. riiiighht.

[bunkerbuster1]

183. I'm not sure what you mean by "sexism."

If you're upset by my contention that there are some stupid men with unresolved mommy-issues who have found ways to keep women down and in a world of shit during their adult lives, who deserve a comeuppance one way or another, then so be it.

But maybe I read ya wrong.

[Cant trust em]

142. Get over it! People don't like Hillary.

Yes, the MSM overly scrutinizes everything she does. Her hair, her smile, her clothes, is she not nice enough, can a woman be an effective leader? For whatever reason, people don't like the woman. Yes, it's lame that some people won't vote for her because of those qualities, but let's quit whining about it and get to work.

[aquart]

165. Name ONE woman they WOULD like as candidate for president?

Come on, ONE name in this whole great big country. ONE WOMAN that the media wouldn't distort into a monster for the crime of getting above herself and running for president. Millions of women in this country and all I'm asking for is ONE name.

[Cant trust em]

187. I'm not denying that sexism plays a part in that

It's unfortunate but if that's another reason that people don't want to vote for her then don't expect me to care. I'm not interested in voting for Mrs. Clinton just because she's a woman.

[aquart]

193. So you can't name a SINGLE woman you WOULD vote for?

Not one in this entire country? MILLIONS of citizens and you can't think of ONE woman you'd vote for as president?

You dismissed Hillary Clinton from your consideration because she's a woman.

[Cant trust em]

208. I didn't dismiss her because she's a woman

I'm dismissing her because a. I don't think that she can win and b. because if she were able to win, I imagine her being so divisive with her history that she wouldn't even be able to govern. I think that being 1 out of 100 senators she is able to keep the partisan republicans off of her back a little bit. Being the frst female president I think that the bull's eye would be back on.

Secondly, I'm trying to sum up reasons why others wouldn't vote for a woman. I don't have any personal problems with Hillary. In fact, I thought that yesterday's "incident" made her look better. You should probably be picking this fight with someone else.

[Cant trust em]

245. I just remembered one

How about Elizabeth Edwards?

[underpants]

144. Smart bet

Feb 5th is when Hillary will likely do the "comeback" thing

[progressivebydesign]

145. I thnk I love you!

:* Seriously, thank you for being so damn human. The relentless attacks on Hillary actually solidified my support for her tremendously. And the supporters of another certain candidate have turned me completely off of him, so that I'm not sure I could even vote for him the general election. The relentless attacks against one candidate always backfires when attributed to another candidate's supporters... I find myself spending more time finding reasons not to like their candidate, rather than be open to him.

Edwards supporters and Biden supporters have been the kindest here... Hillary's supporters are close on their heels but with a touch more fire (as we're constantly defending our candidate and ourselves).

Thanks for your post! You're a gem!

[rAVES]

167. Way to fall for the bullshit.. hook, line and sinker!! be proud :)

[Mrspeeker]

175. Fuck Hillary

and im not acting like immature right wing asshole, I just want Edwards to win!

[PATRICK]

184. About taking advantage of media spin

Just stop it. Maybe it is better not even to note it much since whatever efforts are made by any side it works the way the GOP wants it to.

No one talks about Chimpy's near breakdowns, pouting, self-absorbed lunacy. Physically, Hillary has just taken an unaccustomed pounding on top of the emotional gut wrenching. She never ever had to hit the campaign trail so hard and so on her own with nothing but chains around her neck. She is holding up real well, except that, under pressure, everyone who is faintly human gives away some thoughts and feelings a politician with a second pause would not say. So it has been negatively instructive, but then under these kind of emotions it is hardwired into all of us to get blue, negative, bitter or whatever.

Nor can the armchair fans and critics here restrain their relatively unchallenged emotions to simply see what is going on, have a little sympathy that goes along with better judgment.

I am thinking a great many people, conflicted in their own way, want Hillary to get back in the race strongly, but those against her- and us- can't stop the accustomed barrage which she is taking off safe, favorable ground.

If she could carry off an upset, or close second, today....we will have one hell of a campaign race more like the less rigged days. So as far as I can judge, slamming her unfairly is based on a very legitimate fear. The race could make us forget simpler more unchanging realities and issues...like November vulnerability, the center/progressive fight, and starting to knock down the untouched losers in the GOP who have no intention really of losing the WH. Nothing is so vicious as a family quarrel. the closer one is- and disagrees on key issues- the more bitter it could become. Meanwhile, as far I have seen, the house, my fellow posters, is still burning toward the basement.

[NCarolinawoman]

228. Fine post, Patrick.

I am not an Edwards fan, but, hey, I always enjoy reading what you have to say.

Sometimes I think you are a poet. :)

[kstewart33]

185. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Obama may well be a better candidate, but that's beside the point. Hillary has been dragged through the dirt by the media and a bunch of sexist jerks. No matter what she does, she gets blasted for it.

I won't bother you with all the examples of male candidates who've teared up on occasion and no one even noticed, certainly not the media.

[frog92969]

186. If you can't see she's a neo-con plant then....oh nevermind.

[SIMPLYB1980]

188. K&R

Thank youthere.

[peacock]

189. I understand. When will the MSM take elections

seriously? This is media hype just like all of the MSM coverage.

I think we should ALL boycott the MSM. The MSM is doing a disservice to the people.

"WE ARE THE DECIDERS" (Molly Ivins). Let´s just turn off the MSM.

I´m for JRE and think the entire MSM coverage of the election process is skewed and terrible. How is it skewed? Well, by the MSM declaring winners on the Democratic side or Republican side depending on 2 State´s votes! This is crazy!

Let´s make this a 50 State race! JRE is in it all the way and HRC is too. Let´s give everyone a chance to participate in every state (well MI and FL appear to be ruled out but we need to take that up locally with local Dems and take the whole process up to revision at the National level).

[Name removed]

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[goldcanyonaz]

199. lol! A comedian in the bunch.

[shayes51]

192. I've been for her all along and am still for her. Thanks!

[Egnever]

194. Good luck with that beating your head against a wall thing.

[gateley]

195. You rock, youthere! nt

[readmoreoften]

196. I don't want her to win the nom, but I wouldn't mind her winning NH.

I'd prefer that Edwards win, but I think the sexism against Hillary is fucking seismic. It's off the charts.

[CadenBlaker]

198. Not Genuine In My Opinion

I feel her reaction yesterday was calculated. I came to this conclusion after viewing the clip in it's entirety. I'm sorry, but I know the Clinton political "win at all costs" machine and I'm not buying it. I simply think you should make up your own mind, but you MUST be aware of the dirty tricks they use to try and drum up support and take any show of emotion with a grain of salt.

Consider that right after her emotional buildup she went straight into her campaign spew about how she's accomplished change. Being one of the most lobbied senators may be an accomplishment to her, but it's a part of the problem to me.

[Roxy66]

201. Thanks for posting!!

[Stand and Fight]

203. I'm an Edwards supporter, but Hillary's show of emotion...

Was a positive thing for me. I am seriously considering caucusing for her (from Nevada) on the 19th if Edwards doesn't do too well in the Granite State.

[jlake]

204. Rock On!

[Stand and Fight]

205. Also recommended!

These jerks who are slamming a fellow Democrat as if she were some sort of Bush clone can go to hell, and you're absolutely right in your rant, youthere. More power to you!

[1corona4u]

207. GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!

[goldcanyonaz]

210. kick!

[woundedkarma]

211. looked real to me...

I think the shame of it all is that Senator Clinton didn't show us this side from the beginning. Either she's a great actress and should go on to make some movies, or she was really and truly being sincere for what seems like the first time I've ever seen her do so.(which is what I believe)

She said things that made me think she actually gets it. Like she gets that the country is screwed up. She gets that things are bad and really wants to make the country better.

If she had been like this from the beginning. Spoken from the heart instead of the toughness that people expect from a politician. The coldness and greasiness. Then Obama wouldn't have stood a chance in **** of defeating her.

That's the irony of what happened. She's a woman, who acted cold and less like what people would expect of a woman, when in the end, heart is what people want. Heart, hope and change.

[Doc Martin]

212. Not a Hillary Supporter, Rooting for Hillary

The disrespect being shown toward her is upsetting. Obama was my #2 choice (behind John Edwards as #1) but I am upset with both. I'm especially ticked at Obama's dissing of the boomers.

Her tears might well have been planned but they also seemed authentic.

Today I will forget about her position on the war. Go Hillary.

[Beacool]

213. I too was offended by Obama's dissing of the Boomers.

I'm his age, but I have the utmost respect for the men and women who fought for civil rights and for equality. Obama wouldn't even be able to be running for president if it hadn't been for the 60s generation. As a woman, I deeply respect and appreciate the hard fought battles of that era and the people who enabled I and my fellow sisters to aspire to be anything we ever wanted to be............except, as it turns out, maybe president.

[snooper2]

215. If you don't give a flying fuck...

why are you posting messages on the Internets?

[Danger Mouse]

216. Personally, I wouldn't believe Hillary if she said the sky was blue.

I don't like her, I don't trust her, I will not vote for her in a primary...but I will vote for her as a presidential nominee if it comes to that.
That being said, jumping all over her is pretty tasteless, but I'm skeptical when ANY politician sheds tears, not just Hillary.

[coalition_unwilling]

218. Too bad Hillary couldn't have shed at least one little tear for

the 1 million Iraqi civilians whose blood stains her hands. Nope, the only tears she could muster were for her own crumbling ambitions.

[Tom Joad]

226. I cry when politicians like Biden and Hillary support wars of aggression

[1corona4u]

231. ..

[Tom Joad]

234. that is so sweet!

[krkaufman]

219. Hillary's among my least favorite Dem candidates ...

... but I'd love to see her exceed expectations in New Hampshire, just to frustrate all the news pundits who've been going after her.

Of course, I'd prefer that Edwards win New Hampshire, to really twist their panties in a bunch, but I don't see that happening.

[IA_Seth]

220. Oh you make me proud to be an Iowan!

Thanks, and I hope you are feeling better!

[Tom Joad]

225. I think it natural of those very angry at the world to vote for pro-war politicians like

biden or hilllary.
just makes sense.

[cloud75]

229. If she's acting she would be in holllywood not washington...i'm with you brother or sister.

[ProudDad]

230. If hillary wins -- here's who actually wins

Korporate Kapitalist Kreeps...

[Tom Joad]

236. don't forget ....

Murdoch.

[1corona4u]

232. GO HILLARY!!!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

235. Okay, now that's not a good reason for hoping she wins, tho I agree on the crying thing....

... I'm not for H. Clinton but it has nothing to do with crying. I agree that we women are often attacked when they cry, whereas men are not. However, I'm against H. Clinton because I want a left wing candidate. If I wanted a centrist or slightly right wing Democrat, you bet I would vote for H. Clinton.

[1corona4u]

238. Different strokes, for different folks.

That's why it was important that there were more than 3 candidates to choose from. For every state. Oh, too late.....

[Sarah Ibarruri]

239. Okay but how about looking at ISSUES for a change? Gee what a novel idea! :-) nt

[1corona4u]

240. No thank you....

I am so sick of looking at the issues I could just puke. I know everything inside OUT, about EVERY candidate, and I'm tired of wasting time talking about it.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

241. So you're not voting based on issues? Well.... then I have nothing to say. nt

[still_one]

237. There is no difference between the Kyle/Lieberman bill, and the republican position /nt

[robbedvoter]

243. I was remembering this thread - and feeling good....anyone needs ironing?

[youthere]

249. LOL!

[robbedvoter]

246. another kick

[Catherine Vincent]

247. yeah, that was a good thread.

[1corona4u]

248. Kickin for Hillary

[rodeodance]

250. Congratulations--on your root!!