Chuck Todd: Obama Is Dean 2.0

[THUNDER HANDS]

Chuck Todd had a very astute observation on Olbermann right just now. He said that Obama is Howard Dean version 2.0, meaning, he's fixed the bugs that were in Dean's "movement" campaign of 2004.

Basically, it boiled down to - Dean wasn't the right candidate for a movement campaign, because he just didn't have the "it" that it takes to lead a movement.

But whatever Obama has, he has "it" and that's why his movement has taken off.

The right messenger met the right message and you're seeing the results right now.

[MercutioATC]

1. Obama is not fit to lick Dean's shoes

Obama is as much of a political opportunist as the rest of them. Dean was a true leader.

...unfortunately, he didn't end up leading enough people...

[Colobo]

7. Obama is doing what Dean failed to do: Win.

[MercutioATC]

8. As I said...Dean didn't lead enough people.....

....but he led.

He said what he meant, unlike our current crop who all swing whichever way the wind blows. Dean might not have gained enough support to win the nomination, but he was no political opportunist.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

13. Can you prove Obama does not mean what he says

as well as prove he is just an political opportunist.

Its two rather serious claims after all

[MercutioATC]

21. Well...

His statements that he's always been against the war in Iraq, but now it's "our war" and to leave would turn it into a "hotbed" of terrorist activity...

His varying statements on what is "on the table" or "off the table" to "fix" Social Security...

His vote to reauthorize the Patriot Act after saying that he was against it...

His on-again/off-again support/non-support of DOMA....


Like the rest of them, he says what's politically advantageous at the time.

[madfloridian]

23. You best not speak so soon and so surely.

Obama may not win. We don't know yet. I don't care who wins. But comparing the two by Todd was meant to put Dean down as not being worthy.

[Peregrine Took]

10. Amen. n/t

[Kahuna]

2. Oh oh. Now you've done it..

:popcorn:

[no name no slogan]

3. Hey, move over

:popcorn:

I brought extra, too

:popcorn:

[Peregrine Took]

14. Yes, you have spoken the truth - after all the emotionalism and hype - it

will become common knowledge.

[Cha]

4. I keep thinking that Obama

reminds me of Dean in the way he inspired some us.

[ellisonz]

5. I knocked on doors for Dean and I'll knock on doors for Obama when the time comes.

I agree with Chuck Todd. Just imagine if the media hadn't taken out Dean!

[Bullet1987]

6. I agree...

Dean never got off the ground in 2004. It was over before it even started. Great message...but no delivery. Obama has the same message, but is in a strong position to sweep.

[NashVegas]

12. No Delivery

Dean had Kucinich, Sharpton and Clark attacking him from the left, Lieberman from the right and Kerry / Edwards at the center.

Dean wasn't able to deliver because party brass was dead set against him.

Obama, who I understand has been getting some assistance from the organizations Dean put together, has some of these same people rushing to create alliances.

[madfloridian]

24. Yes, you are correct.

.

[Peregrine Took]

11. Were you in Iowa, trudging through the snow? That was something else,

wasn't it?

[ellisonz]

19. L.A. and Tucson.

Iowa was a little far away.

Arizona was on mini-tuesday Feb. 3. 43 - Kerry - 27 - Clark - 14 Dean.

[book_worm]

9. Dean had "it" as far as I'm concerned. The media just didn't want his "it"

[no name no slogan]

15. or maybe Dean was Obama 0.5

Think about it.

[NashVegas]

16. Eh .. Nah

Certainly Obama has made use of the learning mistakes Dean's campaign made.

But I see Obama as more theater, less drama.

[Mz Pip]

17. IT's a different landscape now

People seem to be more pissed off now than they were in 2004. What a difference a few years make.

Dean got people engergized but that didn't seem to traslate into votes. Obama seems to have the charisma to actually get people off their asses and out to vote.

We shall see.

I am cautiously optimistic.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[mnhtnbb]

18. I was a complete Deaniac. Obama is no Dean. Sorry, no sale.

[ozone_man]

20. No Obama is Kerry.

Edwards is Dean. Clinton is Clark. That's the way I see it.

Dean was the populist in 2004, running on the antiwar issue.

Edwards is the populist in 2008 running on the anticorporate issue.

Both took matching funds, not like Clinton or Obama.

Both had Joe Trippi as campaign managers.

Both are grass roots candidates who attract progressives.

Fundamentally, Dean was against the mainstream media, for regulating them, one of the reasons the media took him out. Now it is the chance to fix that. But it is Edwards who will do the job. He's a fighter.

[madfloridian]

22. Todd was wrong. There is no comparison.

I see the media still putting Dean down in every way they can. They use to diss Hillary, they pump up Obama by dissing Dean.

They are playing their ugly little games.

Dean had far more passion for change than Obama does.

[THUNDER HANDS]

25. i think you're missing the point

[madfloridian]

26. No, Chuck Todd did it deliberately.

It was a divisive thing to say. I was disappointed in all of Olbermann's show tonight. He went after Hillary, and he did not correct anyone of his guests.

It was Todd's way, which he is very very good at BTW, of keeping Dean in his place. Trust me that was it. He did it on 03 and 04 as well.

I like Obama, but I see danger here with the way it is assumed he will win it all.