How could you argue against "Hope" and "Change"

[The_Casual_Observer]

It's brilliant actually.

[suston96]

1. Argue? Sure: What hope and what change? Details, please.

[Critters2]

2. Shhhh.....they're catapulting the propaganda here. nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. You just brush it off with a knowing grin!

[goldcanyonaz]

4. How dare you question Hope and Change!

:sarcasm:

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. Go ahead & try! I'll just shake up head & smile & say, "you just don't get

it, DO you!"

[goldcanyonaz]

10. I guess I haven't drank enough Kool-aid, yet.

[The_Casual_Observer]

17. I haven't got any Kool-aid but I got hope!

We all got hope!

[niceypoo]

16. Dont get that it is empty hollow rhetoric?

Which equates to FALSE HOPE and NO change.

[The_Casual_Observer]

18. What left if you don't have hope?

[hfojvt]

6. simply by saying "What?"

as in "Hope for what?" "Change to what?"

Some people hope that Seattle will win. Some hope the Packers will. The hopes and dreams of some are the defeat and disappointment of others. I hope I get the job means that I hope all those other people don't.

And change? Here's an example of change. A safe and dry New Orleans before Katrina. After Katrina it was changed into a disaster area. That is undeniably a 'change' and clearly shows the simple fact that ALL CHANGE IS NOT GOOD!

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. Yea, but you gotta have hope! Even a bum on the street needs hope!

You want things as they are?

[hfojvt]

46. I hope

that you have not forgotten the Crow Anthem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nulwrVw0dSY

[Double T]

7. Got to be the two (2) most used and abused words in political speeches.......

throughout history. Think we would have learned our lesson about believing THEM by NOW!!

[Tom Rinaldo]

9. Apple pie and Motherhood have been effective in the past. n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

13. You could argue about the calories in the pie, and a woman's right to choose

But not hope, a child needs hope!

[Tom Rinaldo]

28. Nothing that a good flag lapel pin can't counter. Ooops, wrong party. Never mind n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

40. I hope I don't see any more of those!

[niceypoo]

11. Hope for what? Change what?

Empty rhetoric.

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. What, you don't have hope? You gotta have hope, EVERYBODY

has hope!

[niceypoo]

22. Hope for the empty rhetoric to be replaced with substance

Which isnt forthcoming from Obama or his supporters if this is the best they can come up with.

[The_Casual_Observer]

26. There now, see, you've got hope!

[niceypoo]

27. Your an air head

[The_Casual_Observer]

29. I think it's You're an air head

Or, you are an air head
With hope!

[Critters2]

45. An air head with hope ridin' the wave!

All fired up!!

[Quixote1818]

36. You are missing his point

If you two were politicians and the American people were seeing your debate the OP would win because its a positive message even if it has no substance behind it. What he is saying is you can't argue against positive things without sounding negative.

[smalll]

12. I'll admit I'm surprised that Obama's promise of generalized "change" has done so well -

Specific changes people can favor -- say, ending the war, taking insurance companies out of our healthcare, etc. But generalized "change"? Who likes that? I certainly don't. It's not in the nature of human beings to like that. Change is painful; we desire stability, longevity, certainty.

And I am trully FLUMMOXED by Obama's talk about being a "change agent" or "agent of change." It's pure corporate jargon! At work, the masses in the cubicles know that when management starts talking about "change agents" it means BAD things -- people are going to get fired, there will be more pointless meetings about nothing useful, the surviving employees will have to toss around plastic fish and pretend to like it, that kind of stuff.

[Cameron27]

15. I don't get it either,

but it's caught on like wildfire. The OP's right, you can't argue with hope and change without looking like the Grinch who Stole Christmas.

[The_Casual_Observer]

21. Agent of Orange.

[Critters2]

24. LOL! nt

[Fearless]

19. Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside...

That we can abuse candidates for catch phrases and call words, claiming that they will do nothing... yet we refuse to see that many of the things that they are talking about were unheard of even four years ago. To have brought up ideas like universal health care, would have pushed you to the fringes. To have pushed aside beliefs based on abortion, gay rights, social security, or capital punishment stances and still to have votes, was not possible even in the last election. There are now republicans willing to vote for a man like Obama, a democrat, or a man like Rudy G, a thrice married, pro-gay rights, pro-abortion, anti-death penalty candidate. There has been movement. And there are reasons to hope and reasons to believe in change.

[The_Casual_Observer]

23. Well, sounds like you've got hope!

We don't want to change that!

[Cameron27]

25. That completely true,

but one candidate has cornered the market on the hope and change that all of his rivals would also bring to the office of President.

[Fearless]

35. Well who made it seem like they cornered it?

Surely it must be their supporters? Otherwise, no one would care... like when Bush says that he will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents. It's just not going to happen. But in this instance it does.

[The_Casual_Observer]

38. It's on the posters.

[Fearless]

41. Yes... "Obama '08: We have a corner on Hope and Change"...

C'mon.

[Cameron27]

48. No the brilliant thing is that he never

has to say it. The media brands anyone else who tries to use it as a copycat, it's his slogan you see.

[Skip Intro]

20. It is brilliant marketing - he's selling whatever you want - however you define it, that's it.

But it will fall apart, as I sense happening already. Snake oil salesmen went out of business for a reason...

[The_Casual_Observer]

31. It's like a picture of a baby. What are you going to do?

Can't say a word.

[Quixote1818]

30. I agree and every time Hillary says 35 years of experience people must instantly

think "career politician" "Washington Insider" "Yesterday".

The Clinton campaign has made one mistake after another.

[The_Casual_Observer]

34. But I'll bet she has hope, and I'll bet you do to!

[AndyTiedye]

32. Huckster HOPEs to CHANGE America into a Dominionist Theocracy

HOPE and CHANGE are not always good.

[annie1]

33. It certainly is working.

[ZombieHorde]

37. Aku, The Shape Shifting Master of Darkness could. nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

39. Even the The Shape Shifting Master of Darkness has hope!

and so do you!

[ZombieHorde]

44. Yea....you're right. nt

[incapsulated]

42. lol, and Mom and Apple Pie.

It is very good politics.

Yes, politics.

:P

[ginchinchili]

43. Yeah, they're brilliant words.

[BenDavid]

47. I'm reminded of the really old Popeye cartoon where somebody

convinced Popeye he'd be better off without his spinach.Popeye threw the can away - it landed on the back of a truck and as the truck pulled away, the spinach can called out to Popeye, "You'll be sorry!"I want a knife fighter to go against the Republican Slime Machine.
But it seems like the Democrats want a pony called "Change," instead.

[Lorien]

49. I want a heck of a lot more than hope, and I only want change in a good

direction. I've been hoping for years that BushCo would be held accountable for their crimes, but they have not been. I've been wishing for change and I got it; it just keeps on getting worse. I want specifics, I want a solid plan.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

50. Well

A Repuke being elected president over Obama in November will be a fairly strong argument... a late argument but an irrefutable one.

[laureloak]

51. Yep! It's from the 2004 Edwards campaign!

[Carrieyazel]

52. What's so brilliant about it. It's what all newbies argue they're going to bring.