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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:38 AM
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O.K. aside from the fact that Obama has some Afro heritage
What else does he offer? Universal health care? Dump NAFTA, CAFTA ETC.? Prosecute war crimes? What?
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:40 AM
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1. Afro heritage?
I don't seem to recall Obama saying anything about his hair :shrug:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:41 AM
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It's the standard "isn't he just an Affirmative Action hire?" n/t
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:41 AM
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2. Here you go:
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:57 AM
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25. Have read barackobama.com It's god and apple pie. Not one risky stand. His social sec part is bunk.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:01 AM
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26. He votes pro war in Senate and tries to appear anti war on his site. Where does he explain war fund
ing?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:41 AM
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3. You missed Katz "spamming" the board
in response to posts like this?

Don't you guys get embarrassed questioning someone's accomplishments? Or pretending there are no proposals when there are transcripts of speeches full of proposals?

I expect this from people who don't watch anything except cable news, but for savvy DUers, I'd expect them to have found out for themselves.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:42 AM
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4. He offers the most appeal to independents, which will help him win the general election
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:07 AM
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12. Oh boy, that helps!
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:27 AM
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18. Yeah - who cares about POLICIES. He is like totally popular...RAH RAH!!!!
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:42 AM
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5. Hope and Change.
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 02:42 AM by mycritters2
You're not supposed to ask questions.

Critters
ridin' the wave
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:08 AM
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13. I guess not because I'm not getting answers
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:39 AM
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23. Surfs Up!
How dare anybody question the audacity of hope.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:43 AM
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6. Stuff
and things.

lot's a stuff and things.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:09 AM
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14. Yup, that pretty much sums up the answers I've gotten
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:36 AM
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22. You could try his website
I hear that has some stuff on it, too.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:43 AM
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7. Are you being serious, or is this a joke?
If you're being serious, I recommend examining the candidate's website or the DU Research forum.

Your request for information is quite broad, and any thread started here would likely turn to a three way flame war between Obama-Edwards-Hillary supporters, and you likely will not be satisfied with the "answers".
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:02 AM
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9. I spend several hours a day at DU. I listen to AAr all day
I spend more time than most trying to figure out what I should support and all I've heard about Obama is that he is great. So... tell me why he is great.

I like Edwards because he seems to understand the corporate problem. I don't like Hillery because she seems to be the corporate problem. If it was up to me, Dennis would be the candidate.

Sure, I can spend my time researching Obama. I can also spend the rest of my life researching all the other candidates but I don't want to so give me your best shot. Why Obama?
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:29 AM
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19. A bunch of positions were posted here earlier tonight
But complaints were made about it being Obama supporters spamming the board.

There's an Obama forum on DU, maybe check there. The problem with asking here is I don't think it is useful to ask around the GDP. You won't get an honest answer from anyone. We're really good for arguing, knocking down strawmen, and posting ad hominem attacks.

Personally, I can't tell you why I support him specifically. I worked in Springfield. I was familiar with Obama before he was on the national scene. And since I don't see major differences between the candidates on the issues most important to me, I default to my background knowledge of Obama as my deciding factor. I've read his speeches, I've seen his IL record, examined all his votes. Through that process I know I'm comfortable with his leadership and vision. I can't say the same for the others because I haven't had that experience with the others.

So I can't help you. I can only suggest that if you want to find out more, the GDP is probably not the place.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:11 AM
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15. All I'm asking for is why I should support Obama! All I am getting
is if you have to ask, you can't afford it.
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Konza Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:18 AM
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27. Here's one simple one I like
Sen Obama is the only one out there actually doing something for energy independence, a big issue for me. The legislation he wrote with Sen. Talent from Missouri, yes, he is a republican, offered financial assistance to build alcohol fuel infrastructure, as well as establishing the goal of having new cars be flex fuel cars within 5 years. And by reaching out to a few republicans, Obama was able to get this legislation passed. Big deal you may say.
Fair enough. But imagine what this really means:

Instead of being at the mercy of Dick Cheney and Opec when you fill up your car in 2012, you will now have an option. You can buy gas from pump A, brought to you by Saudi princes, Dick Cheney and young men and women risking their lives for your cheap gas.
Or you can use pump B, which uses a domestically produced fuel that costs less, burns cleaner and can be produced by any American farmer using any source of biomass and basic 19th century chemistry. Even trash can be converted into alcohol based fuels. And Christ knows we can produce trash in this country.

An Obama energy plan will liberate America from dependence on the Saudi's and the Big Oil thugs, put money into the hands of American farmers and small businessmen and allow us to bring our troops home, because we don't need their oil anymore. It will also liberate the developing world, allowing them to break free from Big Oil and the Cartels.

Now we can continue this kind of thinking at the presidential level, with all the power and authority that implies, or we can vote for The DLC sponsored candidate or this year's flavor of corporate republican. I looked at Clinton's plan and she advocates a lot of carbon trading schemes, energy market adjustments, and "Green Value" bonds to be brokered and sold on Wall Street and conservation. Fine.
That's all well and good, but I want energy independence, not yet another way for corporate lawyers to make money prolonging the problem. That's why she drives me crazy sometimes. Instead of getting something done, she makes things so bizarre and "Washington/Wall Street" that it's doomed, yet her well connected supporters can still make a buck off of prolonging the problem.
Now, we can solve this issue. You and me. And we won't need a new stock market initiative, or Wall Street trading schemes to do it.
And when she talks of her experience, where is her legislation? Where is all this heralded experience? She has been in the Senate since 2001 and accomplished nothing, nothing, on this issue. Obama on the other hand, the "young kid from Illinois who is grossly unqualified and inexperienced" has actually passed bills to get the ball moving on this issue. And yes, he did work with republicans to get it done. Oh, the shame.

But in all honestly, I must admit that even though Hillary's corporate insider model is bad, it's still preferable to the republican alternative, which seems to be to deny there actually is a problem.
(Sound familiar?)
And if there is a problem we will just drill up some more forest or invade another oil rich nation.

But vote how you like. As for me, I'll vote Obama.
peace



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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:45 AM
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8. There are none so blind as they that will not do five minutes of their own research.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:05 AM
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11. Fuck that! Tell me why I should get behind Obama
I've spent 57 years researching. Give me a reason to look more into your candidate than the other gazillion.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:02 AM
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10. Fisher DeBerry, is that you?
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:12 AM
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16. It ought to get somewhat ugly this year
when the BOReilly's and Michael Savages start working their new and improved poisons for 2008 into the airwaves.

Talking points to expect:

1. If we have a President Obama, all the productive, hard-working white people will get fired and lose their jobs, and President Obama will replace them with lazy, unproductive black people who are cheating on welfare anyway.

2. Inter-racial marriage will be mandated by government decree.

3. All these poor, unemployed Blackwater ex-mercs who were doing perfectly good work in Iraq, well they do have excellent assassination skills and I propose we put them to productive use somewhere in our country (expect this to come from the Right Reverend Pat Robertson, who has proposed assassination of a certain political leader in another country).

The sky's the limit on what these people are going to be suggesting soon. I for one will not be too suprised.

Trying to get the white folk into that higher consciousness, yeah, I know it's a tall order but just because there uncurable diseases in the world, it doesn't mean we should give up and quit trying to find the cures.





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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:23 AM
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17. Ah yes, another good reason
Can anyone tell me why to vote for Obama or am I just a racist pig because no one has an answer?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:33 AM
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20. The most progressive record after Kucinich.
The ability to attract independent voters with a progressive message. He had the courage and foresight to be right about Iraq. He's an all around great candidate.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:48 AM
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24. As Senator he votes for the War in Iraq. His progressive record in Senate same as Clinton's


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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:37 AM
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21. Well, other than his "Afro" heritage....
...what else do you have against him?

I am under no illusion that you actually expected an answer to your question. It's just racist flame-bait and I'm alerting.
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