Which year had the worst DU primary wars?

[ButterflyBlood]

Poll question: Which year had the worst DU primary wars?

Honestly 2004 is to 2008 what the Spanish American War is to World War II.

[T_i_B]

1. I think the flame wars last time round were worse

[Crunchy Frog]

2. '04.

At least this year people aren't being accused of being Republicans for supporting their chosen candidate. We haven't had the mass tombstonings either.

[mathewsleep]

3. don't

be a republican. i know you really are.
just kidding.

[incapsulated]

6. Crunchy....

Hon, you haven't been reading enough, lol.

[Crunchy Frog]

8. There's a heavier volume this time around, definitely.

I haven't yet seen anything as bad as some of the vile stuff that was thrown around at Clark though. I am seeing some really crude racism, but the skill level of those trolls is not up to what I remember for '04.

If I'm missing the really bad stuff, maybe you should send me some links though. :)

[ButterflyBlood]

9. Just take a look at the Barack Hussein and Obama=Osama threads

There's loads of them.

[AshevilleGuy]

17. Seriously, do you think the smear machine

will be politically correct and NOT do this? It will be all over the web, and in some TV ads. They will make the 2004 swiftboating look like a day at the beach in comparison. And why would they not do it? It would be so easy, and inexpensive.

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Well, at least one of the worst ones just got the granite cookie.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3989101

[no name no slogan]

28. And it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy

So long, assclown.

[incapsulated]

10. I dunno....

Last time I was very, very emotional about this and I still think this is far more vile.

The attacks are LOW, they are PETTY, they are just STUPID and OFFENSIVE.

The fact that you remember the skill level of the trolls just underscores it.

It was actually work to answer the attacks because at least they had some *substance*.

This is like a bunch of monkeys throwing shit, lol.

:crazy:

[Crunchy Frog]

15. Remember all the Wes Clark conspiracy theories spammed by seventhson?

Remember the Haitian man titties? Remember the cointelpro conspiracies? I'd take the idiots flinging their own feces this time around over that lot any day.

[sandnsea]

22. Haitian man titties???

Okay I missed that one. You've got to tell me.

What I liked last time was that we argued over issues as much as the daily spin. People will blather about Obama not having any issues, but won't stick around to respond when you post something. It's really sad. At least last time everybody was fairly well informed when it came time to jump in for the candidate. That isn't going to be as true this time around.

[Crunchy Frog]

24. Here's a sample of some of seventhson's trolling.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=94337

Sorry I couldn't find a Haitian man titties post, but I'm having trouble with the search function from that far back. Suffice it to say that he was spamming the board constantly with this shit. He did alot of Kerry spamming too.

[sandnsea]

25. Oh I remember seventhson quite well

endless bones posts and I think a few shot a Vietnamese kid in the back ones too.

It's just Haitian man titties kind of catches the imagination, if you know what I mean. lol.

[Eurobabe]

29. leftover freak from smirkingchimp.com

the first place I went to for consolation in 2000. I left that place shortly thereafter and joined DU. :hi:

[incapsulated]

11. I also think the first time around seems worse

Just because it is seared in your memory, lol.

[abburdlen]

30. Haitian man titties!!

yep. 2004 much worse

[Radical Activist]

4. last time was worse.

The tone of the candidates this time around has something to do with it.

[incapsulated]

5. This is worse

And I honestly didn't think it could get worse than 04.

And I'm not even *involved* this time.

Blech.

[Quixote1818]

7. Last time was much worse nt

[MrSlayer]

12. 2004.

There was some really vile shit going on back then. People banned left and right. It also might have seemed worse to me in '04 because I was so passionate for Clark and the most repugnant attacks were thrown against himself and my fellow Clarkies. And this time, while I am firmly behind Edwards, I don't take it nearly as personal when he gets attacked.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. Wasn't here in 2004. All I know is this is pretty bad.

I thought we were supposed to be attacking Republicans. :shrug:

[Lucinda]

26. Until the primaries are over.... its usually a bloodbath.

Then we get focused.

[CarbonDate]

14. Tough one.

Last time was pretty bad, but while it was ugly, it mostly stuck to substantial issues. This time around, the freep-trolls are having fun with the race baiting and misogyny, playing Obama and Clinton supporters against one another, and actually, in some cases, revealing some latent racism and sexism in each other.

I think, once the primaries are done, we need to take a step back and examine some of the misogyny and racism I've seen in some DUers and hopefully confront it both in each other and in ourselves. Hillary supporters are quick to point out sexism in others (sometimes valid, sometimes not), but I've seen some latent racism in some of their attacks on Obama. Obama supporters haven't been totally innocent in their attacks on Hillary, either. It's been very, very ugly. I'm hoping we can overcome it once and for all now that it's out on the surface.

[hayu_lol]

16. Last time it was primarily two groups...

Dennis's combative supporters and Dean's combative supporters.

This time the object seems to be the elimination of valid candidates before the primaries even got started.

Since many of us tend to use the behavior of supporters as one measuring a candidates capabilities, many of these attackers have hurt their own candidate's efforts.

Note that Dennis, due to the behavior of his surrogates, has not done well again. Amazing candidate--always working hard to be at the bottom.

[depakid]

19. Should have seen 2002- Greens & progressives vs. DLC'ers and appeasers

The appeasers won- and we all saw what happened.

A beauty of a "strategy" that one was... and unfortunately some of it's carried over to 2008.

[Chovexani]

20. Truth be told

Though '02 built up to a lot of the shit in '04.

The trolls were a lot smarter back then.

[sandnsea]

23. I came just after the invasion

Although I lurked occasionally before that. But I know when I came here after the invasion that there was constant posts about "what if they find the WMD". I assume those were the DLC appeasers you speak of. That's what makes me a little crazy when people post that all of DU "knew". No, I don't think so. Lots of people here were concerned about there being WMD in Iraq.

[depakid]

27. There was that (fear of finding -or planting WMD's)

But mostly it seemed to me that there was a fairly large faction that believed that actively opposing the push to war in Iraq or the so called "patriot" act- or most any of the belligerent and regressive far right proposals would cause us to lose the Senate....

That view was borne out by the leadership- with the coup de grâce coming in the form of Wellstone's plane crashing- and its aftermath.

[PVnRT]

32. If only it were that simple...

There were plenty of progressives going to war with the Greens as well. It was not a black and white conflict.

[sandnsea]

21. It's finally hit the awfulness of 2004

I think it's going to get much worse before Feb 5.

[GalleryGod]

31. I Agree. At least I haven't physically threatened any "Keyboard Kommandos" this time.

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