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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:23 AM
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Obama for President
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 09:28 AM by Onlooker
On a purely ideological scale, I would probably support Edwards because of his powerful and direct anti-corporate stands. On an emotional level, I would support Clinton, because the Clinton's fended off the most vicious Republican attacks, and they were victims of terrible cruelty by the right wing and the media. But, in the end, I want a Democrat to be president because Justice Stevens is ancient, a national health care system is critical, our world standing is a disaster, and the economic inequities in our society under Bush are among the worst in history.

So far, Obama has demonstrated what Clinton, Gore, and Kerry could not: he can put together a dynamic campaign that brings in a lot of new people, attracts independents, and generates political excitement. He has demonstrated a level of competence that more seasoned candidates have not. He has a steady vision, and has not changed course or style during the campaign. He does not come across as being packaged by campaign managers and advertising firms.

I know that Obama is not as liberal as Edwards; at times I find him humorless, condescending, and overbearing; but he can be inspiring and his overall message within the context of mainstream Democratic views is pretty progressive. In addition, he will owe his victory, not to the corporate side of the party, but to young people who want change, to minorities, and to many people of all ages who are now daring to enter the political process for the first time.

To win the presidency, you have to put together a coalition. Obama appears to be doing that. The others, for all their strengths, are relying on older political models (labor, traditional primary voters, traditional liberals, etc.) and are simply not pulling new people into the party. They are not generating the kind of excitement that is spilling over to Independents and demoralizing the Republicans.

Obama will be attacked for his inexperience, changes in positions over the years, failing to vote on some issues, and few mistakes during his career, but he operates on a higher plain -- a grand vision that promises to bring the country together. That promise, whether he succeeds or not, is idealistic, and gives me hope for better nation where people who have been excluded from the political process find their voice.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:30 AM
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1. I agree that he is "firing people up", but the party primaries ain't
the general election. He will be dealing with a completely different kettle of fish after the convention. This warm and fuzzy feeling can evaporate in a heartbeat when the Republican mob is out to politically kill you. I think that wanting to untie with and work with and compromise with Republicans is a losing proposition. The Democratic Party hasn't really fought the Republicans since Johnson in the sixties - I think we should try it again...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:35 AM
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2. You can't put Clinton and Gore in the same category as Kerry
The youth movement started under Kerry:

What an amazing night, not just for Barack Obama, but for America. I know that Senator Obama is so much more than simply the color of his skin, but all of us must acknowledge -- and celebrate -- the fact that one of the whitest states in the U.S. just voted for a black man to be our next president. Thank you, Iowa, for this historic moment. Thank you for at least letting us believe that we are better than what we often seem to be. And to have so many young people come out and vote -- and vote for Obama -- this is a proud moment. It all began with the record youth turnout in 2004 -- the ONLY age group that Kerry won -- and they came back out tonight en force. Good on every single one of you!

link


They definitely see something in Obama
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:41 AM
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3. I'm not so sure of that
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/198167_youth04.html

Kerry won the youth vote, but not by a wide margin, at least according to this article.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:48 AM
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6. It was a build up, but specifically
it was about turn out:

Preliminary estimates compiled by the University of Maryland's Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement showed about 20.9 million youths voted, an increase of 4.6 million from the 2000 election. The number will rise, too, as provisional and absentee ballots are tallied.


A 10% margin in 2004 and a 6% margin over 2000 are significant.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:43 AM
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4. Gobama!
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:45 AM
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5. My Concern about Obama
My biggest concern about Obama is that the Republican media (cnn, msn, foxnews) love him. Why is that? I feel that Obama delivers a beautiful speech and seems to draw people together, but I am sorry to say that his weaknesses are that he does not have the most experience and his record isn't consistent.

This is what I see happening in the general election: The Republican media is going to shift the message from CHANGE TO EXPERIENCE. McCain is going to get the Republican nomination, and Obama will be trapped.. I cannot take another republican defeat... Please let me know what you think about this concern, because it worries me.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:52 AM
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8. Welcome to DU JKaiser.
I'm not sure what you mean by his record isn't consistent. Can you provide some examples? Also, is his record any less constistent than the other front-runners(Hillary and Edwards both supported the war)?

McCain is an old fool, and he often looks tired. Obama is young and offers hope of a new politics. McCain represents more of the same. Watch the independant vote turnout today for Obama versus McCain. I think that will give you a good idea of how Obama will do against McCain. Also, look at the Iowa results from last week. Obama got more support than the top three Republicans combined; and McCain finished fourth in Iowa.
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:22 AM
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11. Okay..
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 10:51 AM by JKaiser
Give me some examples that prove that Obama has been consistent.. I agree that McCain is tired and old... He might not be the nominee.. BUT What if the dialog changes within the republican media from change to experience?? Obama will be in trouble.. republican could win yet again... Why does Obama get more positive media coverage than any other dem candidate..? I think the Republicans want him to win..

About the whole independent voter thing you spoke of... Republicans can register as independents for a time, to change the outcome.. I have done it in the SC primary in 2000 when I hated George Bush and saw McCain as the weaker candidate.. I supported McCain so Bush would loose.. It's the same thing that could be going on with OBama, Just think about it..

I think McCain is gaining support... Yeah, he got 4th place, but that is pretty good for someone who didn't campaign in Iowa.. He could win in NH..

What "polls" are you referring too, and who conducted the research?? All these polls have been taken while the dialogue has been "CHANGE" What if the media flips the message to experience??
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:53 AM
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9. I don't think you need to worry about that.
McCain has way too many negatives, including his lunacy on Iraq.
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:35 AM
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12. Well
Well don't underestimate the power of the media... Media can change the dialog from Change to Experience... THE message WILL flip and Obama Will be in trouble.... The republican media wants obama to win.. Almost all the republican nominees seem to have more experience than Obama.. The republican media (cnn, msn, Foxnews) is soo friendly to Obama now, just wait until the general election. ITs going to get nasty...
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:54 AM
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10. very true the media could definitely use this CHANGE TO EXPERIENCE
thing, and then what? And as much as I like Obama, can you see Obama trying to work bipartisan with the repigs in Congress???
that is something to think about??? Obama working with McConnell or Specter???? think about it.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:50 AM
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7. Can he balance a checkbook? Flat broke 7 years ago?
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aein Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:40 AM
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13. Go somewhere else, hack.
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