Bill Clinton is going down in flames along with Hillary it looks like

[BluegrassDem]

He's totally losing his statesmanship. He looks petty and ridiculous. This guy is a world statesman and he's getting involved in the trivial back and forth of a political campaign! Sure it's his wife, but he was looking better back in the summer when he wasn't going around bashing the media, Obama, and anyone else but his own wife. And the more he stands up for her, the more people realize that they don't wanna go back to the 90's after all.

Bill Clinton always said that elections are about the future and not the past. I couldn't agree with him more! Bill is the past and Obama is "OUR" future.

[LostinVA]

1. I'm getting VERY tired of the President Clinton bashing on here the last few days

Believe me, I did NOT agree with everything he did... nor Carter, or JFK, FDR, et al. But, he was a DEMOCRATIC President, and a decent one.

The wolves are out.

[Egnever]

2. I understand

But he is bringing it on himself.

[LostinVA]

8. He's bringing CRITICISM on himself, NOT bashing

He's being mocked and bashed and shat on all over DU. The criticism is definitely different. That he has to expect. The bashing? Not on this site.

[Egnever]

13. its a fine line

between criticism and bashing.

[LostinVA]

28. No, it really isn't

Monica Lewinsky has nothing to do with HRC's campaign, nor attacking past issues using RW talking points and slurs. It's quit appalling.

[xultar]

5. Agreed. Makes this place look like shit.

[CoffeeCat]

7. People are attacking President Clinton's...

...tactics in this primary.

He is going after Obama and positioning his charisma and leadership skills
as something sinister.

I'm sorry, but Hillary ran such a horrible campaign in Iowa. It really was
one of the PR textbooks, right up there with the government's response to the
Challenger disaster.

The Clintons appear to be completely out of touch and indignant that their
dream of another Clinton presidency didn't automatically fall in their laps.
They come off to me, as being angry about their entitlement being stolen
from them.

Calling Obama's campaign "a fairy tale" is a bit over the top, don't you
think?

If Bill wants to make remarks like this, people have the right to form opinions
and express those opinions.

I've always liked Bill Clinton. However, his behavior lately hasn't been exactly
stellar. Pointing that out isn't bashing...it's simply having an opinion about
what is being said.

[LostinVA]

10. Not some -- some are bashing BIll Clinton, independent of HRC's campaign

All the way back to Arkansas... including bringing up Lewinsky, etc. It's disgusting.

There IS an infestation on here.

[Marrah_G]

17. It's really pretty astonishing here lately

It's like reading over at Freeperville....only the insults here are even nastier.

I'm pretty ashamed by the behavior of many Duers lately. They are just doing the RWs job for them.

[DURHAM D]

24. A lot of them are Freepers.

This board is at least 40% non-Dems.

I hope they go away after the election and can't find their way back.

[Anouka]

19. I agree with your points.

I have to say, it's distressing to see the Clintons fall apart like this. I'm still convinced a lot of this has to do with promises to backers made that we will never know the full extent of. I'm going to give the Clintons that out.

The hints about the Clintons and their people skills have been out there for some time. It was wrong what happened to the Clintons over a stupid blowjob. Utterly wrong. But I believe a closer look does need to be given to them, their legacy, and their tactics all this time.

Instead of thanking the people of Iowa and those who supported Hillary, the Clintons bashed the hell out of the entire state and staked their reputation on New Hampshire giving the 'right' answer. They are living down to every Republicans bad word about them. It's distressing to see them flail like this.

I think the 'fairy-tale' quote is a misquote, but a not far off misquote. I'd have to read that whole thing again.

Bill Clinton said his wife was tougher than Mandela. Any other time, that *might* be passable. It's tone-deaf and spectacularly idiotic right now.

Hillary Clinton tries to diss Obama by making short shift of JFK and MLK and placing all responsibility for the success of the civil rights movement upon LBJ.

A female Clinton supporter introducing Hillary disses JFK by implying that he didn't follow through on Civil Rights, it was up to LBJ. Several commentators last night who were floored by the comment ('did she really just say that?') reminded readers that JFK was unable to follow through because he was murdered.

I don't have the quote, so take what I just said with a grain of salt until you can read the quote for yourself if you haven't already.

All that to say, it's better to know the real Clintons than the rosy glassed Clintons. They bring this upon themselves, just by being themselves -- slippery.

[CoffeeCat]

30. I sense what you sense...

...that there is so much behind-the-scenes that we will never know. I agree with you, that this "breakdown" is
probably due to all of the background mechanics falling apart.

In my opinion, the Clintons realized long ago, that if they were going to get anywhere, they had to play
along with the neocon, corporatist elites who are truly in charge right now. They did climb on board, and
their cavorting with the Bush's is evidence of that. Hillary's pro-war votes almost seemed to be collateral
to the neocons--as assurances that she would continue their legacy.

A few weeks ago, I heard Naomi Wolf discussing that the Clintons really were good people, but they were
forced to play along with bad people--so they could re-gain power and then make change. I'm not sure that
I buy into this, but it is plausible. In this day and age, you're not going to get the media coverage or the
voting machines, without being in the laps of those who control these things. Hillary had all of that,
but I bet it all came with very heavy price tags.

If this scenario is true--both of them had to sell their souls a bit--for years, until they could re-gain power.

If they played along with the neocons for years and held their noses---they both probably rationalized that
they could do this long enough until they were in power. Now, their will be no power. No pay off.

I was always astounded at how silent Hillary was on Bush's crimes. Our democracy is dying, for God's sakes.

I think Bill is probably more bothered by all of this. He seems to be unraveling. Bill has an addiction and has
actually rec'd psychological help. He knows the American people, after campaigning in 2 presidential elections.
I believe he's torn and that he's been split in two---living in the elite world and knowing how screwed "We The
People are"--and then having to face "We The People."

They were probably relying on their big WH win--to finally end the nightmare.

Now, that's all going up in smoke. Bill is probably out of his mind right now.

Maybe Bill, down the road, will realize that the Bushies have taken him for a ride. After all, they did
slap him down when he suggested the "Bill and Bush Sr's Excellent Adventure". Betrayed by the elites,
and by America--and sandwiched in the middle with nothing.

I'm sure we'll see more unraveling. If we're lucky enough, maybe Bill will be the one to finally end
the neocon nightmare and expose the truth about what's really happened to this country.

[onehandle]

11. Yep. This is DEMOCRATIC Underground and we are looking petty. nt

[LostinVA]

12. As I aid upthread, criticism of any Dem is fine -- not bashing

Not attacking, not mocking, not using RW sources to promote this.

[bellasgrams]

15. I agree completely.

The only thing I can figure is that some have short memories and don't remember how good it was, or is the place flooded with kids that don't know any better. I would love to have 8 more years of Clinton. No real wars. Exceptional economy. A man that is admired all over the world. He did a great job regardless of the relentless repbs. that chased him the whole time. I didn't agree with everything he did, but we will never have a President that will please everyone all the time. Obama and Edwards really scare me. I've had supervisors that didn't know what they were doing. It can really cause a mess. They are good at flapping there lips that's about all. If Hill, or Richardson can't make it I hope someone else jumps in that can save us. We've just had 8 years of a know nothing pres. that let the wrong people lead him.

[Bitwit1234]

25. What do you expect from the newbies who don't do anything but bash

the only reason all those republican leaning butts came to this site was to bash Hillary and Bill. Obama is just a shoot off.

And I love this going down in flames shit. Obama won Iowa and one more electoral vote than Hillary...what in the damn hell is so wonderful wonderful wonderfull about that. Remember this Obama and his girl Oprah bussed all the students in to vote for him. And all he got was one vote. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AHA AHH WHO IN HELL WENT DOWN IN FLAMES..HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Bitwit1234]

27. PS Obama will never see the day when he is loved the world over

the same as President Bill Clinton. He will never see the day that he is loved in this country the way Bill is. He might pretend to be somebody but he sure as hell aint' no Bill Clinton, or JFK> no matter how the crazies try to portray him as such..REAL TRUE AMERICANS KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

[leftynyc]

29. Step back

Are you saying Obama supporters are not true blue Americans? Cuz that's what it sounds like.

[Azathoth]

3. Agreed, his behavior lately doesn't befit the stature of an ex-President

He's coming across as a petty, political hatchet man.

[closeupready]

20. Agree. I didn't care much for him personally as president, but I was feeling good about him

over the last couple years. His recent behavior, though, makes me think I was right the first time.

[Clanfear]

4. Dartmouth Students Walk Out on Bill

By Jose Antonio Vargas
HANOVER, N.H. -- About thirty minutes into Bill Clinton's nearly two-hour stop here at Dartmouth College, a steady stream of students started walking out of the venue.

Moments later, Clinton -- his voice hoarse, sometimes cracking -- took arguably the toughest question of the night, courtesy of a tall, blond 19-year old freshman wearing a bright red sweater. "My main concern is, if Hillary were elected, it would create a dynastification of American politics. Bush, Clinton, Bush. What do you think?" asked Sebastian Ramirez, standing less than a hundred feet from the former president.

Clinton responded, to rolling laughter across the room, "I'm not responsible for the 12 years that the American people gave to the Bushes." He continued: "I actually tried to talk Hillary into leaving me when we were in law school, that's the God's truth. I told her, 'You have more talent for public service than anybody in my generation that I have met... I shouldn't stand in your way.' She looked at me and said, 'Oh, Bill, I'll never run for office.'"

That got a few cheers from the crowd of about 600, most of them students, with their backpacks and books in tow. But many of the students in the room, judging from more than two dozen interviews, are supporters of Sen. Barack Obama. They plan to vote for him tomorrow night.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/07/dartmouth_students_walk_out_on.html?hpid=topnews

[lazer47]

6. He is just a man that sees his wife being "bash" for no reason.,,Good thing it isn't me,

I would have bitch slapped Chris Matthews yesterday,,,

[Cameron27]

9. Well he's status quo, don't you know,

or so somebody said. It appears that there are lots of young people who have no idea who Bill Clinton is, and have been captivated the word change.

[Marrah_G]

14. Your concern is duly noted

[TwilightGardener]

16. Bill should have stayed out of the fray.

[zulchzulu]

18. I used to like Bill Clinton back in the early 90s

He's a hack now.

Aside from his zipper problem, he basically took Newt's Playbook and made it his own and essentially did the bidding for the Repugs with NAFTA, China free trade, Don't Ask Don't Tell, DOMA, Telecommunications Act and other policies that we are reeling from.

[FrenchieCat]

21. Yes it is sad.......

He should be telling us why we should vote for Hillary, instead of trying to smut up OBama. Hillary's record is what he should be talking about.

Maybe if Clinton would have kept his zipper closed, we wouldn't be dealing with George Bush today. Bush did run to bring back dignity to the WH....and although he didn't win, he made Gore have to choose between running next to a adulterer and going on his own. Gore should have never been in a position to have to choose.

[GalleryGod]

22. My Old Hero has had better days...

Sec'y of State of N.H. has now sent out EXTRA BALLOTS !!! for Democrats
(MSNBC & CNN @ 1253 p.m.)

[GalleryGod]

23. "I'll always remember a place called ---- !"

H-O-P-E

Ah...the Irony of it ALL!

[suston96]

26. "...the more people realize that they don't wanna go back to the 90's after all. "

Don't wanna remember the 1990s and what the Clinton administration accomplished?

I can understand that. Budget surpluses. 20 million jobs created. And so much more.

Benchmarks like that are gonna be tough for the new Democratic President to follow.

Yeah, better not talk about those 1990s........

[JackORoses]

32. alot of money was made in the 90's, but what was really accomplished for the people?

too much fighting with a Republican Majority and getting Impeached to make any real gains

[suston96]

33. "...but what was really accomplished for the people?"

Can't you read? You know what a budget surplus means? For starters, lower taxes for the working class.

And the 20 million new jobs? Who do you think got those jobs?

Impeachment? They threw everything at him INCLUDING 3 or 4 kitchen sinks and he still exited his presidency with the highest ratings ever.

Pray to God that your next President can do as well.

[rjones2818]

31. Bill set fire to Hillary's private parts????

The scandal!!!

:evilgrin:

:hide:

[no name no slogan]

34. I wish he would've just stayed out of the primary

I had the same feeling in '04 when Gore endorsed Dean. IMHO, it's very unstatesmanlike for an ex-president to get involved in a party nomination process. It just seems to diminish them in some respect, and makes them look like partisan hacks.

After the primaries are done and we have a candidate, however, all bets are off.

[bellasgrams]

35. People on DU would complain regardless what

either of the Clintons do. I don't know why the mods let all the negative remarks about the best Dem Pres. we've had since Kennedy. I could understand it from a bunch of lame brained Repbs. This is suppose to be a Democratic Board, not a Repub. site, but you'd never know it when it comes to Clinton.