South Carolina Democrats say Obama can't win the national general election

[Carrieyazel]

It looks like some are torn. They'll vote for Obama in the primary, but they believe he will not make it to the White House next November. Sounds like they're smarter than the Iowa dreamers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-sc_church_glantonjan07,1,6750704.story

[wndycty]

1. We will see how they feel about him on January 26. . .

:kick:

[Colobo]

2. Some loyal Clintonistas will always doubt, but Obama is leading over there

by 20%.

[The Night Owl]

6. Doubt is not a bad thing to have. {EOM}

[Colobo]

7. True, but Obama will win SC big.

[jwirr]

12. They did not say he would not win in SC, they said nationally. nt

[Colobo]

17. Some did, and is understandable.

After hundreds of years of sustained oppression, it's hard to believe America is ready to trust a black man for president. However, it's happening.

[jwirr]

34. Now that we agree on. I was around when they nominated Julian

Bond for VP except he was too young. I am glad that we have finally come this far. And if he wins the nomination I will gladly support him. However I am supporting John Edwards because my family is in desperate need of the kind of health care bill he is proposing and I like his anti-corporate stance.

[Cameron27]

38. The OP isn't a Clinton supporter, and

I don't have a clue about what SC will do.

[cmaff05]

3. Well

We have 10 months to convince them that Obama can win in the general election. :)

[cali]

4. duh.

No democrat has won SC in well over 3 decades. No dem is going to win it- unless he's a dixiecrat.

[demnan]

5. Instead of worrying about which candidate is electable

we should make sure that black people in southern states are not stricken from the polls and have no chance to vote at all.

[iconoclastic cat]

8. Breaking! Dogs say cats can't win fetching contest! nt

[qanda]

9. Not even "some say"

All South Carolina Democrats say?

[Bumblebee]

10. Let's be real -- Clinton would not be able to win SC

either and neither would Edwards, even though he was born there. So what's the point of this?

[Carrieyazel]

13. I think they're talking about the NATIONAL election, not just the state of SC in November.

Of course, no Dem will win SC in November.

[Bumblebee]

20. I know -- but don't you think they measure things with the SC brand of "reality"?

How do they know what will happen elsewhere?

[Carrieyazel]

21. Yes, that's a good point.

[book_worm]

11. you'd think by your headline that all SC dems say that

but actually it's only some. Others think he could. I'm sure a few racists survive who think that he can't win.

[Colobo]

14. This poster dislikes Obama with passion

and hates to see him on his way to the nomination.

[flyarm]

19. you don't have to dislike him..i like him..i just know damn well he will not win in my southern

state..i am already getting horrible emails..i have had to put more spam reports in the past 3 days than all year!

and all about him..coming from all over my state!

get real folks..before it is too damn late.

get real!

fly

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. Listen, I love John Edwards as much as the next guy...but,

realistically John wouldn't win this state either; granted he might not lose by as much as Clinton or Obama, but a loss is a loss. And as for emails, we've all been inundated with obscene emails about the top three candidates.

I think Obama will soon learn that it's the supposed "progressives" who are most racist and unwilling to support his candidacy. Some of the comments here about Sen. Obama have been downright vile. Sometimes this place doesn't look like Democratic Underground at all.

[OHdem10]

15. It is not just South Carolina and it is not just Southern States.

Our party never plays strategically , they go with their heart.
Unfortunately as cold as I may sound. Going with the heart
is not usually a winning strategy in General Election.

[Carrieyazel]

25. Excellent post. We only play strategically in congressional, Senate and state elections.

But when it comes to the Presidency, we let our heart take over our heads and we snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. In some cases, it doesn't matter of course. NOBODY would have beaten Nixon in '72 or Reagan in '84. And Gore and Humphrey were our incumbent VPs we had to nominate.

But in 1988 and 2004, we blew it. We nominate candidates who cannot win in regions we need to take away from the Repukes, and we pay dearly for it. We're about to do it again.

[flyarm]

16. he can't win in my red state..i can tell you that without blinking! eom

[papau]

18. paper thin resume plus media avoided contradictions in past speeches might become GOP

easy picken's.

[GalleryGod]

23. Paper Thin (D.C bubble) Resume' that is...

I'll trade two days in the community of "reality" over Two Years in Blowhardville(aka congress)


BTW THIS guy only had 3 years as A.G. + 3 years & 90 days in the Senate before launching his candidacy...and that was AFTER (March 16,1968) the New Hampshire Pimary...

Sorry for the quality:blush: from my personal collection,though.










* I'm officially out of Obama Lawn Signs!...of course my neighborhood (suburban N.J.) looks like "OBAMA-ville":woohoo:

[papau]

32. true - which is why the "happy warrior" was likely to beat him

[GalleryGod]

40. Here's an interesting story as back ground: HHH vs. RFK

My Dad, was Richard J. Hughes' Campaign manager for Congress in 1952. He lost that race,but,was the sitting Governor of New Jersey in 1968 (1962-1970) and a major domo of the Democratic Party. He was so respected the DNC appointed him Chairman of the Credentials Committee at the 1968 Democratic National Convention. Richard Hughes & Richard Daley wielded unbelievable Old Boys power in the party that Spring.

***Flash Forward***
Richard Hughes served as the Chief Justice of the N.J. State Supreme court(1973-79) having been appointed by GOP Governor, William T. Cahill.

I finally got to work for him from 1977-8. During one of our off-the-record + after hours chats in chambers, he told me of an abrupt call he received from Daley on June 5th,1968. The Governor's private line rang in the Mansion at midnight(est), when it looked like RFK would win California that night.

Daley: "Dick ? It's Dick Daley"

Hughes: "Mr. Mayor, I'm thinking we go with Bobby "

Daley: " My thoughts exactly. We can deal with him-Hubert's too damaged"

Hughes: " We'll need input on his running mate,though...lots of input!"

Daley: "Sure"
Hughes: "I'll call Teddy"

Daley: "I'll call Steve (Steven Smith, RFK's brother-in-law).

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. GalleryGod....I love that picture.

I can only say "What If"?

[GalleryGod]

39. Since I flew back from L.A. ( to N.J.) on June 8th, 1968...

I'VE been asking (with apologies to Oprah) "Are YOU the one ???"

[karynnj]

22. I bet you can find "South Carolina Democrats" who says that HRC can't win

and "South Carolina Democrats" who say John Edwards can't win.

For the last 3 years, all we have heard, sometimes from Bill Clinton himself, sometimes from his media allies is that only a Clinton can win because only the Clintons can stand up to the smears and attacks. In fact in the last 3 or so months, we have seen both Bill Clinton and HRC lose it when the attack level rose at all. Bill Clinton used the word "swiftboating" the sentence before speaking of Obama, Dodd and Edwards jumping on HRC's lapse on the question of Spitzer's plan. She was fine in the debate but their reaction for the next week was counterproductive.

This was the wonder woman who could fight back better than John Kerry, who really was swiftboated, did? Kerry showed incredible dignity and strength against a media condoned character assignation - and with fair elections would have won.

That she could fight back and that she was inevitable were 2 big points behind her.

[weeve]

24. John Edwards...

...would win the General in a heartbeat. Which is why Big Media is pushing the other two.

[Lurking Dem]

26. Rasmussen

Survey of 553 Likely Democratic Primary Voters
January 6, 2008

Election 2008: South Carolina Democratic Primary

Barack Obama 42%

Hillary Clinton 30%

John Edwards 14%

Some Other Candidate 7%

Not Sure 7%

[FrenchieCat]

27. and they said that he couldn't win Iowa.....

and? :shrug:

[Renew Deal]

28. That article basically says the opposite

"I have been reconsidering," said Williams, 48, a professor of professional counseling at South University in Columbia. "I know he can do the job, so that was not an issue with me. It was electability. African-Americans want to see that he can win, and if he can win in Iowa, then maybe there is hope that people other than African-Americans will vote for him."

Williams said in a telephone interview that her feelings are still strong for Clinton, but she now wonders whether Clinton is electable.

"People either love her or hate her, and that may be a problem if she is the nominee," said Williams. "I don't think Republicans will cross over and vote for her, but with Obama, there is a possibility."

At this point, Williams said, she is holding off making a decision until after the New Hampshire primary Tuesday.

"It does not matter how good a candidate is if nobody will vote for them," she said.

[alteredstate]

29. The title of your thread is inaccurate and misleading

eom

[AlinPA]

30. I believe that. No Democrat can win SC, or NC, or GA, or MS, or AL...

[BenDavid]

31. Some brain sense and not heart sense coming out of SC.

As far as I'm concerned obama has been getting pretty much of a free pass. For example, if he has some dark areas in his past he better come clean NOW! There will be no forgiveness if he is hiding something the Repukes can latch onto and cost us another election.

What exactly is his "change" campaign all about anyway? It sounds more like "Can't we all just get along" all over again. I don't want to get along with those sonsabitches. No way, no how.

Obama supporters are major posters on HuffPost(as here as well) and they use the most vile forms of Republican shit from the 90's against the Clintons. After 7 years of saying how great the Clinton years were, these dirtbags are now throwing shit at them with both hands. Something you expect from the Right - but from Democrats?

Obama reminds me of Nader, he wants to go from zero to president. Since he's still wet behind his big ears, let him put in his time first.I'm reminded of the really old Popeye cartoon where somebody convinced Popeye he'd be better off without his spinach.Popeye threw the can away - it landed on the back of a truck and as the truck pulled away, the spinach can called out to Popeye, "You'll be sorry!" I want a knife fighter and a grizzley bear to go against the Republican Slime Machine, but it seems like the Democrats want a pony called "Change," instead.

[Sulawesi]

37. Did you even read the article?

It says that doubts about electability were mainly from race, but that this is dissipating now the he is winning.

and I am lost, is Hillary the spinach? jeez...

[Radical Activist]

36. We picked Kerry because he was supposed to win in November.

Maybe that's not the best way to pick a candidate.