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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:30 PM
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Poll question: Who is Ron Paul taking votes away from?
Although very popular, he can't win, at least according to polls. He's got to be hurting one or more of the Republics who have a shot.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:31 PM
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1. he might not be taking votes away from anyone, he may have brand new voters.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:32 PM
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3. You mean independents?
If so it seems that would detract from McCain.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:34 PM
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7. no, a brand new voter doesn't mean they're independent, it could be someone
who has never voted before and likes Ron Paul's message.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:32 PM
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2. He's the human None Of The Above. Since Huckabee is their "change" candidate, that's my pick.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:33 PM
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4. I dont think he is taking votes from anyone
I think he is getting votes from people that dont like any of the others.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:33 PM
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5. None of the above? He's unique
I think he could take from McCain, but I doubt people are deciding between Paul and anybody.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:33 PM
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6. There's no middle ground with Ron Paul supporters.
If he doesn't win the nomination, they'll storm the FOX building.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:30 PM
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27. You've got that right
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 01:31 PM by ProudDad
They're a cult...

A Clueless Cult...

Very strange...


Especially the college kids around here with their big signs holding up traffic on the main drag...

I keep wanting to walk up to them and ask them if they know that he'll take away many their rights for the fundamentalist theocracy and won't oppose the next war...
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:35 PM
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28. Somebody around here must be selling Ron Paul Car Wallpaper.
mostly pickup trucks. I have to admit they do cover the primer quite well, though.
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Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:36 PM
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8. In NH, he's siphoning from Edwards, the REAL populist in the race.
Open primary there, people. Paul's libertarian mssg (he's realy not a repub) connects with people's anger and dissatisfaction, just like Edwards. I'd say he hurts John at least as much as sHuckabee.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:37 PM
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9. So abortion rights is not a factor for those possible Edwards supporters? eom
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Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:44 PM
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14. NH is overwhelmingly pro-choice
whether Dem or Repub, think that issue is a wash when it comes to Paul.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:46 PM
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17. Ron Paul is adamantly anti-abortion.
He's fanatic about it. Just like Huckabee.
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Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:02 PM
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23. Right, but the fanatic anti-choice voters, I think,
go to Huckabee overwhelmingly. Whereas a lot of folk go to Paul because of his anti-war, non-interventionist, pro-bill of rights stance. i.e. the Edwards crowd.

This is actually a tricky question, must caffinate sufficiently to cogitate
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:06 PM
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30. Lol,
and God said "let there be coffee." :silly:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:38 PM
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10. Barack Obama
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:39 PM
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11. How so?
They are incredibly different on issues highly important to Dems.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:53 PM
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22. Indys who are against the war, but may lean republican
Take Ron Paul out, I think they go to Obama. I also dont think people are aware how cray Ron Paul really is.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:52 PM
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21. I somewhat agree with this!
Obama is being viewed as the big Agent of Change..the guy who is marching into Washington with a plan to change the way everything is done.

On a gut level - this is what Paul supporters want too - and many of them are young like Obama supporters.

I think if a Ron Paul supporter really wants change, and see's that Obama has a much better shot of actually getting into the white house - they may vote for him.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:39 PM
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12. The Villsack and Tancredo voters got together to back Paul...all nine of them.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:43 PM
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13. Kucinich
They share a few positions, and the big one on some voters' minds is the Iraq war. Someone voting on that issue alone could go to him.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:45 PM
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15. They don't share enough positions, imho, for a Kucinich supporter to cross over.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:48 PM
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20. True, but they're possible DK voters
who would end up not voting for him, because Paul has a better shot (however remote).
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:45 PM
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16. McCain
I would think McCain is the most libertarian of the bunch. But these voters probably hate McCain's stance on the war.

I like that Paul is in the race, it brings a grain of truth to their bullshit debates.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:47 PM
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18. I dunno...who has the most "Jews control the media/GAWD hates fagz" crap
I've seen a lot of f***ed up bigotry from the Ron Paul crowd...
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:47 PM
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19. The Lyndon Larouche Vote
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silverback Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:13 PM
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24. I'm an Obama supporter...
And I like Paul quite a bit, enough that I'll most likely cross over in the primary.

I think he's also pulling Thompson votes and probably a few that would otherwise go to Huckabee or Romney.

Giuliani wouldn't get any of the Paul vote.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:19 PM
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31. Since you have self-identified, I am curious how you arrived
to this combination of candidates. I have noticed that a lot of voters calling C-SPAN and such who are deciding between combinations of candidates that are surprising to me. A standard theme describing the NH contests is that Obama and McCain are competing for Independent voters.

You are the first I've seen at DU who is considering such a choice, so I'm curious what attracts you to each candidate and how you handle those topics where their positions are completely opposite from each other. Also curious who you might have supported in the past. Thanks.

Since there seem more people considering these kinds of choices this year, I suspect that it might be reflecting a major realignment and redefinition of the electorate.
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crawfish Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:16 PM
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25. All four. Plus,
he's taking centrist Democrats and independents.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:18 PM
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26. In Texas: Democrats.
In Texas, people who would vote for Edwards or Kucinich if they were more educated are all voting for Paul. This town is PAUL-MANIA central. Most people here are antiwar and anti-Bush. They have absolutely no idea that Paul has a racist following or that Paul is anti-choice or anti-gay. Growing up in a right-to-work state, they learned little to nothing about working class issues.

In Texas you have gay people, women, and immigrants excited about Paul. Why? He's anti-war and he believes 9-11 was an inside job. With the right candidate and a good campaign we could have 75% of these voters.

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:37 PM
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29. All of the cons, IMHO
I think Ron Paul will come in 3rd, but then again, I am really bad with projections. :crazy:
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