The desperation of the anti-Obama contingent is becoming uproariously funny

[cali]

with blaring subject lines like:

"Obama supporters refuse to acknowledge present vote on K/L"

er, no we don't. It's clearly something we can live with.

There are at least a dozen anti-Obama posts of no merit whatsoever on the front page of GDP and just about the same number in GD.

I understand it's just venting. You can't be so stupid as to think you're going to sway anyone. I understand you're bitter and that's leading to ugly, but so many of you have gone so far over the top, that it's now become parody. Criticizing Obama because he's got some over zealous groupie type supporters? Um, so what?

I have only one more thing to say:

GOBAMA!!

[maddiejoan]

1. Can you live with R 970?

http://pundits.thehill.com/2007/10/24/misinformation-campaign-backfires-on-obama/

[Occam Bandage]

18. I'm okay with S. 970. I don't think K-L was offensive, either.

Stupid, perhaps. Counterproductive, maybe slightly. A "step to war with Iran?" Certainly not.

[maddiejoan]

34. thankyou

I don't either --I just can't stand it when mis-informed Obama supporters use K/L against Clinton

[Occam Bandage]

36. I think that's ignorant, too, for two reasons.

First, it's ridiculous to attack a candidate on a vote your candidate skipped. You just posted the second.

[Egnever]

28. sorry but the two bills don't come close to resembling each other.

in fact 970 explicitly states it is not an authorization of military force. Its all about using financial and diplomatic means to influence Iran's behavior. I am totally fine with it.

And the dickhead pundit you linked got it completely wrong.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:1:./temp/~c110zkWVZm:e943:

8) Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority to use military force against Iran.

[Occam Bandage]

37. K-L is not an authorization of military force either, nor is there anything

in the bill that would give anyone that indication.

[Egnever]

39. yes but 970 explicitly prohibits it

Big fucking difference

[Occam Bandage]

46. It doesn't prohibit it at all. It simply says

that this bill does not authorize war. Big fucking difference, as you say.

Neither K-L nor S 970 give Bush any war powers whatsoever, nor do they take any away from him.

[maximusveritas]

80. It was difference enough

that all of the following Senators voted against Kyl-Lieberman after co-sponsoring S970:

Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Tester (D-MT)

[maddiejoan]

44. and neither could K/L

so how are they different?

[LSK]

82. and Section 12???

SEC. 12. NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE ON IRAN.

As required under section 1213 of the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (Public Law 109-364; 120 Stat. 2422), the Director of National Intelligence shall submit to Congress an updated, comprehensive National Intelligence Estimate on Iran.

????????????

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

2. Same stupid shit happened when Hillary was ahead.

At least we're not seeing much of the "I won't vote if Obama gets the nomination" crap that Hillary got.

[Name removed]

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[ellisonz]

71. Well that's one way to oversimplify the reality of this election...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

76. Enjoy your stay...

[Alexander]

33. Hillary was equated with Hitler and accused of being a mobster crack dealer?

News to me.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

77. Come on, there was plenty of nastiness to go around.

Everything from that she was in cahoots with the BFEE (because of Bubba's association with Poppy Bush) to, well, yeah comparisons to any number of bad figures. Same shit, different candidate.

[rodeodance]

59. and I still see it for Hil---

[aquart]

3. So charming in victory. Care to stomp on our necks?

You show us a mob rule future that isn't particularly attractive. Except it's already now, isn't it?

[BeyondGeography]

16. Charming...are you allowed to use that word?

[oasis]

58. Such zeal for a poster who just go on board the Obama train a short while ago.

Amazing :wow:

[ellisonz]

72. I could do that...

[Parche]

4. EDWARDS

[FrenchieCat]

11. Ooh, I like that Pic!

see?

[XemaSab]

32. Cha-ching!

:D

[KittyWampus]

79. What? Edwards has 24mil in HEDGE FUNDS? That's AFTER he became a 'Progressive' Anti-Corporatist

NO! That cannot be true.

Why would he have taken matching funds, thereby endangering his candidacy should he become the nominee, when he has that much money?

[LisaM]

5. You find desperation funny?

In sports, you judge the character of a player or a team by whether or not they can be a gracious winner. If someone cannot win gracefully, what does that say about him or her? (Note: I am not imparting this trait to Obama, just the OP).

[cali]

10. I'd be much more inclined to be gracious if people supporting

Edwards and Clinton were'nt writing dozens of smear anti-Obama posts an hour. Sore losers resorting to those kinds of tactics, have no right to expect gracious winners. And it's not like I slammed another candidate in the OP.

[Ninga]

21. I am calling you out, right now, on the vitriol you have posted over and over and over.

Can't take the heat...then you will not be missed if you leave the kitchen.

[JuniperLea]

31. Hear! Hear!

And don't accept the "neener neener" he didn't behave so I won't either bullshit. Everyone else is stupid, but this one, day after day, is vile, insulting, berating, condescending, and worse. Makes you wonder why people with such exalted opinions of themselves would even hang out with the commoners on the Internets. :eyes:

[cali]

55. I have never posted a vitriolic thread about any of the candidates

and until yesterday, I never called any candidate's supporters names, but I've had it. Yes, I've been snarky to people posting vitriol, and yes I make a distinction there. So call out to your heart's content.

And I can take the heat just fine, pumpkin. And you don't have to post on my threads if you hate them so much. You won't be missed.

[LisaM]

56. Not sure who are referring to.....

Did you mean me?

[LisaM]

30. Sigh

Don't paint everyone with the same brush. I am really feeling bad and I don't need a kick in the pants. So what if some are smearing Obama? He's won one primary and is likely to win another. If you disagree with an issue post, debunk it.

[JuniperLea]

35. Indeed

Debunking is good when you can make it happen. Condescension about how "stupid" other people's opinions are is bottom of the barrel... or, more accurately, bottom of the kindergarten sandbox... where the neighbor's cats leave little gifts.

[democraticmuslim]

7. Going negative

What do you expect the enemies of Obama to say? The negativity is comming out. It is good to see that Obama is not playing that game.

[Tempest]

13. Obama was one of the first to play that game

Through his surrogates.

You must have just started paying attention.

[Tempest]

8. It was funny when the pro-Obama contingent was desperate as well

Back when Hillary was the frontrunner.

What I find funny is how the pro-Obama contingent is crowing about a small handful of delegate votes.

[Alamom]

25. Shhhh. They don't get it. They think he's already won. nm

[TooBigaTent]

9. How many oher sell-outs are you willing "to live with" in supporting someone

who makes more appeals to the center-right and repugs than to Democrats?

Do you consider him the best choice simply compared to the others or as the savior of Democratic political power? He certainly does not seem to be someone who will fight to undo the mistakes and crimes of the last seven years. He has as much said that the past crimes of the * administration will be ignored in his bipartisan voyage to power.

His willingness to forgive and forget is the make/break issue for me. His way will lead to the return of the neocons in four or eight or 20 years. We cannot afford that.

[mdmc]

12. agreed

:toast:

[frogmarch]

14. "it's clearly something we can live with."

That's great, cali. I'm going to say the same thing the next time you or some other Obama supporter bashes Edwards about something.

[cali]

20. Feel free.

It's all about what weight you place on a candidate's flaws. A present vote on K/L is not a deal breaker for me.

[ellisonz]

75. Psst...He missed the K/L vote but made statements clearly against it.

The present crap was about the Illinois State Senate.

[TwilightZone]

15. "You can't be so stupid as to think you're going to sway anyone."

The irony of this statement is off the charts.

[MoonRiver]

17. I think it's all very sad.

It is definitely thrilling to think that a brilliant and liberal African American man, with his absolutely adorable African American family will occupy the White House! But I still feel very sorry for the Democratic losers, especially Hillary, who have poured so much of themselves into this campaign.
:(

[BootinUp]

81. I second your post...

but its not over just yet. ;)

[jgraz]

19. What I want to know is how you managed to chug so much kool-aid

when you've been a kucinich supporter until somewhere around yesterday afternoon?

[cali]

43. Nope. Always said I'd vote for Kucinich in my late primary

to send a message to the party that a lot of us support true universal health care and actually believe that a dept of peace is sensible. But it's clear that casting such a vote would be futile, as enough people won't vote for Dennis. And I've been clear about stating that my support was for the message, not the man. I've never thought that Dennis would make an effective president- partly because he can't reach enough people.

[redwitch]

57. I think you should be secretary of the dept of peace.

because you play so well with others. ;-)

[jgraz]

70. Bwahahahha -- DUzy of the week.

[laureloak]

22. Geeze. Go get a job!

[1corona4u]

23. And the Obama supporters comments are

arrogance at it's finest.

[Occam Bandage]

24. Cali, this is like what, the 10th "LOL AT YOUR PAIN" post?

I enjoy the taste of their tears as much as anyone, and I'm starting to think this is excessive, considering we haven't actually won NH yet.

[Marrah_G]

26. I usually agree with you Cali , but

I see a great deal of nastiness coming from all sides, including Obama's. Unfortunately people rarely notice or just don't care unless it is against their candidate.

I am sick to death of the crap being thrown from all side. I can't wait for the primaries to be over and then perhaps we can stop tearing each other to pieces.

[redqueen]

42. Funny how some people only notice it when it's done to "their" candidate.

Funny or sad... I'm not sure which one fits more.

[TreasonousBastard]

27. Feh! Will Edwards get ahead so we can see what...

the others have to say about him? Gotta go through the whole cycle.

So far, it appears that I can't vote for either Hillary or Obama in the general. I guess I gotta vote for Huckleberry if Edwards doesn't get it. But if Edwards does get it, I'll be told I can't vote for him, either.

It's so confusing... I might just stay home.

But, can you imagine the hilarity if Kucinich was the leader?

[stillcool]

29. There is no doubt...

that nasty, condescending, derisive, self-righteous, and intentionally inflammatory acerbic postings are your bailiwick. Way to go...

[veniceboy]

45. If not Edwards or Hillary, why not Kerry or Dukakis?

Seriously, the last thing we want is actual excitement or inspiration. We don't want someone that makes them believe in the American Dream and pulls in independents not to mention voters who were not born during the Vietnam era (could Hillary supporters be any older?), let's get a divisive character like Hillary who will pull 42% max in the GE or a class warrior like Edwards who will turn away moderates! If these guys can't ruin another election for us, I say run Kerry or Dukakis again. The LAST thing we want is someone who is preparing for the GE and might actually win. You know, someone who is likable? That would be wrong.

[stillcool]

73. You obviously did not...

read my post. I made no mention of any candidate. What I was referring to was the shit-flinging-fest, and the OP's remarkable ability in regards to that activity. I do not believe there is much difference at all in the records/speeches/blurbs of the 3 democratic candidates. What I believe is remarkable, astounding is the record numbers of voters wishing to participate. Why can't we just let them vote and speak?

[Catchawave]

38. Why can't people at his rallies discuss his policies?

I need more than GOBAMA :D I think many others are as frustrated as well.

Try writing a diary of substance :shrug:

[veniceboy]

52. He is built for the General Election

The last thing you ever want to do is focuse on policy. People are concerned with whether the guy is someone they like to have a drink with or someone who inspires them. We all know what his actual policy is (liberal), let's keep it quiet until AFTER the election instead of blowing it like most years.

[Alexander]

40. Some of it's funny. Some of it is very racist and sick.

[redqueen]

41. I wonder if Skinner will show up and chastise you

for sliming supporters.

[Beaverhausen]

47. I think even Skinner has her on ignore

:rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

50. I laughed. I like Cali, but I laughed.

[GalleryGod]

61. Hang Tough, Cali! Oh, Well ,Folks...I'm taking my laptop to our Obama Outpost in Camden,N.J.

Got to see what the Youngin's are up to "Downtown"

Huckabee Field Staff

[redqueen]

67. !

:rofl:

[mtnsnake]

48. In some cases, not all, I think you might be confusing criticism with concern

Let me know if I'm wrong.

Anyway, people have a right to be concerned about Obama, just like they had a right to be concerned about Hillary.

[Occam Bandage]

51. And, as they say, thank you for your concern.

[mtnsnake]

62. Is your name "cali"?

Judging from the what I've seen, I hardly think so, but nice try.

[Occam Bandage]

66. Sorry, didn't know this was a private channel.

[Blue_In_AK]

49. Cali, turn a mirror on yourself, dear.

"But so many of you have gone so far over the top, that it's now become parody." Obama is not God. Everyone has the right to support whoever they choose. Yes, he's ahead at the moment and could very well win the nomination, but your continual "rubbing our noses in it," is very unseemly. Be gracious.

That is all.

[GalleryGod]

63. Hey, Blue! Nice to see you ! Oooops! I'm LATE for my shift at Obama HQs!

Back on later,via laptop...

[Blue_In_AK]

68. Hey, that's fine.

Nice to see you, too, and I like your tone. (You weren't being sarcastic, were you? I hope not.)

[PATRICK]

53. A good softball demonstration

that encourages the Obama supporters I should think. The Clinton detailed critiques in themselves should be heartening to anyone thinking it is easy to tear Obama down. I have broader objections and future administration worries but I think he can do very well in the election for all of us. It is all rather helpless to complain about the dangers of this odd compressed primary system that starts out depriving Dem party members of equal voices, which it wasn't meant to and serves to control media influence somewhat in favor of this sliver of grass roots.

The voters will have their say. Go good judgment! But by all means lets go into the WH! He took the steps a first timer had to while retaining control of message. Excellent marks. I wish he could take a breather. Hillary has been disappointing but half of it is not of her own possible choosing. She could yet climb right over Obama. And of course we have many others in favor of DK and Edwards and those unfortunately forced out way too early. That when upon seeing the NH ballot with mysterious strangers(one not 60 miles from me) there are a crowd of absolute unknowns still there on paper!

[Deep13]

54. Yes, worry over the future of humanity is hilarious.

You may not agree, but you are way off base belittle our concern.

[MethuenProgressive]

60. The funniest thing, cali, is watching DU ObamaNation's endzone victory dance

As though their posting on a website had anything to do with the outcome of Iowa or NH.
Slackivism Rocks!!

[rodeodance]

64. Misinformation Campaign Backfires on Obama --read all of it first--then reply:

http://pundits.thehill.com/2007/10/24/misinformation-campaign-backfires-on-obama/


October 24, 2007
Misinformation Campaign Backfires on Obama (Lanny Davis)
@ 12:48 pm

For some time I have heard repeated misstatements, even down to using the exact words, concerning Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) support for the Senate resolution, S. Amendment 3017, enacted Sept. 26, 2007 by a 76-22 vote (called the “Kyl-Lieberman Amendment”). The resolution designated the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a “foreign terrorist organization.” Weeks ago I heard supporters of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) charging — again using almost identical words — that Sen. Clinton had supported a resolution that “would allow President Bush to go to war with Iran.”

Then I discovered three facts that could not be disputed:

— The resolution did not in any way allow such military intervention as a result of such designation;

— Many anti-Iraq war Democrats, including Sen. Obama’s senior colleague, Dick Durbin of Illinois (D), also supported the resolution; and

— Sen. Obama had co-sponsored a similar resolution — S. 970 — along with 67 other senators just six months ago, in March 2007. I also determined that many anti-Iraq war Democrats who opposed any possible authorization for President Bush to intervene militarily in Iran also supported the resolution.

Yet The New York Times, in what is usually its thoughtful and balanced Sunday “News and Review” section on Sunday, Oct. 14, published a front-page, left-hand lead article with the headline, “Clinton’s Iran Vote: The Fallout.” The author, Helene Cooper, quoted several on-record critical comments about “Senator Clinton and other legislators who voted for this bill” from a Mr. Karim Sadjapour, described as “an Iran expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.”
...................

[killbotfactory]

65. Even when I'm the most obnoxiously sarcastic I can be

They come up with stuff I can't even dream of, it's so over the top.

[Perry Logan]

69. It's better here. I'd rather have Obamites gloating than have them attacking their fellow Democrats.

I'm finding Obama's ascendancy to be surprisingly restful as far as DU is concerned. Gloating may be offensive, but at least one doesn't feel compelled to refute it.

[MollieBradford]

74. well

this is ugly.

[Joe Chi Minh]

78. Cali, if he win, your backside's going to be kicked from here to breakfast,

and you and tens of millions of other Americans' backsides, and you'll have only yourselves to blame. You think Reid and Pelosi are cyphers? He makes them seem like Titans. At least they talk a good fight! And Reid's been mixing it with the Republicans of late.

[StefanX]

83. Four things that Obama does NOT believe (straight from his website)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3995321

This is a great Obama post headline too.

Rightwing talking points from his own website!

And yeah, maybe people are getting desperate, because they see the corporate media crowning a corporate-owned candidate and it worries us.

Edwards is much better than Obama. Edwards knows how to fight the greedy corporations which are sucking our blood. And he's not accepting large corporate donations.

Obama won't fight them. How could he -- they already own him. Obama and Hillary are up to their necks in millions of corporate lobbyist donations.