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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:48 PM
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Obama is fine on the issues and identical to Edwards/Clinton. That's not his problem.
Problem is he's going to be destroyed. The higher the pitch of the hype, the faster voters will get BORED and turn on him, not to mention when the PUKE machine revvs up and hits him on being weak on foreign policy. Clinton wouldn't have to worry about being seen as not strong enough on foreign policy/terror. Which is what the election will be all about by November.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:50 PM
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1. Obama's going to be destroyed?
funny, I was thinking the same about Clinton, Edwards.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:52 PM
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4. Look, he still only has 39% of Democrats. The "magic" goes so far, and it gets boring fast
I like his speeches too. I'm just not all that comfortable with him in charge of foreign policy and I think a lot of voters will be thinking that way when the REPUKES get through with him.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:53 PM
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12. I think it was 46% in yesterday's poll, with Clinton at 40%
I forget which poll.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:53 PM
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13. yes but when the others drop
What will his percentages be then.

I fully support your desire to stick with your guy but if Obama is the nominee are your sour grapes going to carry through to the general?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:56 PM
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20. I think the rest have reservations about O. And yes I'll support O like an MFer if he's nominated
but I probably won't believe my own BS.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:43 PM
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43. really you dont think they just like their guy?
Every other vote is a I hate obama vote? Really?
if so that sure makes hillary and John look like pretty worthless candidates.

Fortunately I dont buy that.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:55 PM
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17. Whereas the other two have considerably less.
Sorry, I'm not comfortable with Clinton's an Edwards' foriegn policy.

Particularly when it comes to the whole 1.2 million dead Iraqis thing.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:59 PM
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29. And every other candidate is below him. Are we supposed to kidnap Gore and force him to run?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:51 PM
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2. Your concern is duly noted. - n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:55 PM
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18. As is your gracious charm.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:40 PM
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41. He is a concern troll
and you are simply a sore loser.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:51 PM
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3. So The More Popular The Candidate, The Worse They'll Do?
And Obama was against the Iraq war - Clinton and Edwards were for it. The single most important issue that Congress has voted on in decades.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:53 PM
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9. If they're popular because they're "inspiring" they will crash and burn like Dean
nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:55 PM
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19. Or FDR, or Reagan? nt
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:52 PM
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5. The GOP has been ready to deal with Hillary and Barack for a long time.
It's Edwards they can't deal with. He's the only one who consistently beats all of the GOP candidates, and it's been that way for months.

That's one of the reasons why Edwards needs to be the Dem nominee. The GOP fears him the worst, because they know they can take down the other two and they can't take down Edwards.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:00 PM
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31. BS. Obama has been the only one winning in more recent polls.
They've all had their turn at the 'the only to win to beat all' candidate.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:20 PM
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40. Wrong.
http://www.democraticcentral.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1250

Quote: But the polls have been showing for 6 months that Edwards lines up better than Obama and Clinton against all of the Republicans. So it is probably not just some transitory blip.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:52 PM
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6. This spam concerns me.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:53 PM
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10. Make it work n/t
lol
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:52 PM
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7. Brrrrrr
:scared:
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:52 PM
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8. All candidates, dems and reps, are short on foreign policy experience.
You don't really get the experience you need to be president without being president.

It's a ... whatchacall ... catch 22.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:53 PM
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14. Bill Clinton isn't. No he's not the candidate but come on. nt
nt
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:56 PM
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21. LOL so now we should dump Obama cause bill has more policy experience?
weee these arguments are getting sillier by the day.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:58 PM
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27. I consider Billary the candidate and 100% ready in foreign policy nt
nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:19 PM
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39. Look at Rwanda......as that is part of Bill's experience....who in fact
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 03:20 PM by FrenchieCat
is not running.

Would Obama have let 800,000 Rwandans get macheted to death? :shrug:
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:56 PM
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22. Father-son; husband-wife; this nepotism has got to stop.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:57 PM
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24. You don't think Bobby Kennedy would have been a good president?
?
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:04 PM
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34. Eh.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:53 PM
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11. I disagree
For Clinton, and to a certain extent Edwards because he voted for the IWR, the problem would be having a pro-war Dem vs. a pro-war Repub. Just like in 2004. Why do we want to put ourselves through that again?

"S/he was for the war before s/he was against it!" "Flipflopper!"

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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:58 PM
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26. Flip-flopper isn't going to work the same way this time...
People have seen what happens when you elect someone unable to change his mind.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:02 PM
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32. I dunno, it must work because it's sill the most used attack in political contests
Our Dem primary candidate are doing it to each other all over the place.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:06 PM
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35. With mixed results.
It's not a show-stopper.
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origin1286 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:54 PM
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15. Er...
Let's rate the candidates "excitement" vault.

1-100.

1 = really boring
100 = exciting


Obama is around a 90
Edwards is around an 80
Clinton is around a 50


If Obama is going to get boring fast, doesn't that mean the other candidates will get boring even faster? Stop holding Obama to different standards.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:56 PM
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23. YES the others are "already boring" which is where you want to evaluate them
in my view
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:54 PM
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16. It remains to seen. It's possible that we'll just have to suffer though
this thing to see how it turns out.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:58 PM
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25. Obama getting so many votes from independents makes me feel optimistic
about his chances in November. They will try to attack Obama's "youth" but the republican side doesn't have much to offer to counter the Democratic nominee. In my perception, neither Clinton or Obama have much to worry about as far as being electable.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:59 PM
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28. Depends on who pukes nominate. If it's not Huckabee foreign affairs will be #1 issue
in my view
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:03 PM
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33. Huckabee proved in Iowa that he gets the evangelical vote.
I haven't seen any evidence that he does better with any other group.

Obama, on the other hand, brings out all of the voters that typically don't vote; including many Dems.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:14 PM
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37. He won half the black vote as governor
That says a lot about his ability to appeal to independents and Democrats since nine out of ten African-Americans is a Democrat.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:59 PM
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30. indies like him. kids like him. he's got the black vote. he'll be fine.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:13 PM
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36. I disagree
but on a more general point he is very new to national elections. That has two fatal consequences potentially and one of them Obama seems very decided on. To pick strategies and strategists from the same crews who "lost" or depressed the last two elections. Like Kerry, not to acknowledge ways to fight the fraud as if votes can be sacrificed if a close win can be had through some caution. Just being new throws him at the mercy of people with no experience except getting had, going soft and losing. That itself is just part of doing something this big for the first time from scratch. He's not that superhuman or lucky.
Then your comments could easily begin to apply with consequence.

Plus the good time high road is going to get hard in any way the GOP or fate chooses. As with Hillary this needs more testing now. Hopefully, we might still get it without too much bleeding and ending up with a weaker, really worrisome candidate.

I note the fake drama the GOP is whipping up is so far upstaged and going nowehere except to show Bush's hand- as if anyone is allowed to notice. it hasn't begun yet. There is no GOP meltdown that can't change as of now.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:17 PM
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38. No where close to Edwards
Corporates making bundles of money aren't going to surrender to Obama mouth, especially the one we need to range, drugs , doesn't he have one of their lobbyist on his campaigne...Remember when Bush lied about who did the research and cost for drug research, well isn't Obama doing the same with a Drug Lobbyist on his campaign, I think SO
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:41 PM
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42. Identical, only because he has no stance of his own!
He just steals from other candidates!
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:43 PM
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44. And that's not the truth! Lots of differences with Edwards n/t

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