Clinton will win on policy. Obama will win on inspiration. Which quality will last 10 months?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

And which one will the election be about? I think it will be 75% 9/11, terror, Iran, al qaeda.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Clinton will win on policy?

You must think I'm stupid.

[fightindonkey]

3. Yes, Her Policies Are More In Line With That Of The Public

There's your answer. Obama has nothing but a bunch of rhetoric.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. You mean like supporting the war?

[paulk]

17. exactly what votes on Iraq has Obama differed with HRC on?

please be specific.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. The IWR.

:shrug:

[paulk]

28. He voted on the IWR? Really?

In what alternate reality was that?

The one where State Senators get to cast a vote in the US Senate?

C'mon Mr. Hooligan - you don't want us to thing you're stupid, do you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. No, but he was against it.

Which is good enough for those against the war.

[paulk]

36. talk is cheap

I didn't accept that line of reasoning from Dean in 2004 and I'm not going to accept it now. Unless a candidate was in a position to actually vote on something, anything they say about how they would have voted... is meaningless.

BTW - how about the votes Obama has made when he actually had the opportunity? Where's the difference there? There isn't one, is there?

[Alexander]

31. He spoke out against it in 2002.

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

[paulk]

38. "obtuse"? do you even know what that means?

why don't you read my post - you know, the part where it talks about ACTUAL votes made by our candidates?

I don't care WHAT Obama, or any other candidate SAID. Politicians say all kinds of things... especially when they're trying to get elected.

Obama was not in a position to vote on the IWR.

Period.

And since then, when he's been in a position to actually vote his "beliefs" - when he's actually bothered to show up and vote - his voting record vis a vis Iraq ... Is EXACTLY THE SAME AS HILLARY CLINTON'S.

[Occam Bandage]

9. Her policies are virtually identical to Obama's.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

20. I would agree but their images are different. Inspiration v experience nt

nt

[Occam Bandage]

22. Absolutely. I think, truth be told, O, C, and E would all be about the same.

[jenmito]

25. Once he's the nominee his experience will be discovered. Inspiration + experience = success.

[Egnever]

32. And inspiration is winning

Ill take the same policies with the inspiration over the same policy with the experience every time. Experience doesn't move public opinion inspiration does.

Not that I agree at all they have the same policies, Obamas Tech policy will stand washington on its head hillary doesn't have anything that even comes close.

[RaleighNCDUer]

34. He, frankly, has more real experience.

If you think state office is not preparation for the show, then you don't understand state politics. She's held one elective office, and won a single (basically uncontested) re-election. That's her sum total of electoral politics.

[Fresh_Start]

26. The average American doesn't know any of the candidates policy

positions in any depth.

They couldn't care and contrast them if their lives were at stake.

[BeyondGeography]

2. I say we nominate the person fewer people like

just to keep our awful presidential election record going.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

5. 2000 was about "like" but I don't think 08 will be. nt

nt

[Arugula Latte]

37. How about a Dukakis-Kerry ticket?

That'll bring 'em out in droves. ;)

[BeyondGeography]

41. Leave it to the Democrats to nominate the world's only passionless Greek

[debatepro]

4. my vote

is for the inspirational guy with sound policies and is willing to listen to new and different ideas.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

10. I think "new and different ideas" conflict with a war/terra focus which I think 08 will have nt

nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

35. I think getting the fuck OUT of the war on terra is a pretty new

and different idea.

[Occam Bandage]

7. Ah, Democrats. Always happy to fight the last campaign.

No, the next election will be about the economy and healthcare. Things are bad, and are going to get worse before November.

[redqueen]

21. "the next election will be about the economy and healthcare"

100% with you on that one.

[CoffeeCat]

8. Why do you think that?

Right now, the economy and "change" are at the forefront of
the American psyche.

I'm not doubting your reasoning, but I'm wondering why you
think "9/11, terror, Iran and al qaeda" will be foremost on
the minds of the American people, and the issues that will
dictate how Dems vote?

All thoughts (even tin foil) welcome... :)

[Proud2BAmurkin]

13. The reason is it's the only thing the PUKES think they still have an advantage on and

if their nom is McCain or Romney or Rudy that's all their candidate will talk about. Add Iran into the mix and Pakistan and the MSM and I think it will dominate once again. Even if the anti Iraq war Dems won 06 for us, I don't think presidential elections work the same way. Those issues are bigger in prez elections especially post 911.

[MannyGoldstein]

11. The Iraq War Has Lasted More Than 50 Months

That was a fantastic policy by Clinton. Just marvelous.

I think that's something that will be important in the election.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

18. I think "al qaeda", Iran, Pakistan will trump Iraq war in election esp with puke candidates saying

either that we're winning or that we're getting out soon.

[HeraldSquare212]

12. I agree that the economy will be the most important issue nt

[goldcanyonaz]

14. I say we vote for the person we want to have a beer with. Worked out great last time!

[bowens43]

15. Clinton's policies helped to get us in this mess.

It's time for change. Clinon is more of the same. No thank you.

[suston96]

23. "Clinton's policies helped to get us in this mess."

Nonsense. She said don't take this vote as a vote for preemptive war and use diplomacy before any preemptive strike.

Bush didn't listen and it is BUSH who got us into this mess.

And don't you realize how much damage blaming Clinton can do in the rest of the presidential race and especially for the congressional races?

Do the math: lots of Democrats voted the way Hillary did. And with the same caveats. Why should they be reelected?

[bowens43]

16. Clinton is not going to get the nomination. It's over.

It's time for change. Clinon is more of the same. No thank you.

[TwilightGardener]

19. Clinton's got some good policies. Obama's got many of the same policies, PLUS

charisma, likability, and the ability to attract a broad range of support, including some Repubs. Hmmm, whom to choose? Hmmm...

[CoffeeCat]

24. I watched as 70 percent of Dems...

...voted against Hillary in Iowa.

The Edwards people in our caucus approached me and said that we "have to stick together,
so Hillary doesn't gain."

The Richardson people, who were not viable, came over and threatened to send some of their
people to Hillary, if we didn't give them some of our extra people and help them to achieve
viability.

I mean really...a fellow Dem threatening us with Hillary.

Then, the Clinton precinct captain gave a speech and insinuated that all of the women in the
Edwards and Obama camps were only voting for them, "because you guys think they're attractive."

Yeah, let's all nominate Clinton and extrapolate this crazy train to a national level.

Talk about yer political suicide missions!

You're right...there really is no choice, unless you're a masochist.

[TwilightGardener]

29. Wow. That sort of animus at the local level is very telling.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

39. I watched 63% vote against Obama in Iowa. Wha'ts ur point?

:shrug:

[goldcanyonaz]

40. And, 62% voted against Obama.

[Beacool]

42. Facts about Iowa

63% did not vote for Obama
67% did not vote for Clinton
67% did not vote for Edwards
50% were first time voters
50% of those voted for Obama
40% voted for Clinton
10% voted for others
11% of Iowans participated - combined Dem/Rep
3% of Iowans voted for Obama
2% of Iowans voted for Clinton and Edwards
16 delegates for Obama
15 for Clinton
14 for Edwards

Iowa and now NH are more a question of perception fueled by the media than a reality. Let's see what happens on February 5th before we put nails on anybody's coffin.

[guruant]

33. Every additional day Bush is in Office...

Will just heighten whichever main quality the democratic nominee possesses.

[sandnsea]

43. I reject Clinton policies

The Hope tax credit didn't fix college, health care tax credit won't either.

Welfare reform missed on many points, Obama was smart enough to recognize it and implement a process to track the problems.

Obama supports talking to everybody, Hillary supports more bluster and bravado.

Obama opposes an energy policy that favors Exxon and Mobil and the Saudis, the Clintons tried to work with the Taliban to get the oil pipeline in.

Obama trusts people to do the right thing when economic circumstances are right, Hillary thinks you have to force people into financial decisions, even if it makes them homeless.

Barack Obama called the Iraq war 100% correct. Hillary didn't.

Obama wins on policy too.

[Renew Deal]

44. Why can't we have both?

That's where Obama comes in.

[damntexdem]

45. Clinton will lose on bad policy.

[Texas_Kat]

46. I'm really more interested in what will last for the next 8 years

A clue, people fall out of 'inspired' as quickly as they fall into it.