And then along came John..

[monmouth]

If HRC were not a Clinton, I would probably consider her for my vote.

However, she is not a possibility for me as I am so against the Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton dynamic. It isn't good or healthy for the country. HRC is also too vague on the important issues of medical care, her Iraq War decision and other flip-flops. Too many "ifs" there to be comfortable. Some major poor judgments in the last few days: Hillary's "people" should be making the statements re the media, not Bill. This is what the voters DO NOT want. I don't like it, and am also sad she is going to be so disappointed. Bill Clinton will be sad too. Welcome to my world.

I like Obama also, and congratulated his group after Iowa. Since my guy Joe left, I've been window shopping. Obama is that beautiful suit in the window that you can't try on; you have to buy it on faith...what if it doesn't fit, how will I pay for it?? I love the enthusiasm of youth, the slogans of "Hope", "Change." My student council president used those words in high school when we wanted a new cafeteria management company to come in. I'm older too, I've done and seen the "Hope"/"Change" thing. Let me tell you how that worked out on another thread. Obama is a skilled speecher. He is undoubtedly a brilliant guy. I have never been impressed with him in a debate setting. He tends to falter because of the process and becomes frustrated. Barack is that "unknown quantity" that we cannot afford at this particular time in our history. Down the road, of course. I'm glad that the Europeans love him, comparing him to JFK? Well, I remember JFK, he was my first vote...Trust me, Barack is no....well, you know the rest.

And then along came John. There is much I do not agree on with him, but his anti-corporate stand is a major plus for me. I'm sick of corporations running this country. I'm sick of them controlling my television, which I no longer turn on because the "corporate media controlled pundits." They make me ill. John Edward's style, and this is my problem to get over, is sometimes a little too slick for me. I've posted he reminded me of a car salesman. Well it's time for me to get over that, he's an attorney and obviously a damned good one. He's been schooled and trained to do just what he's doing, sell his story. His story is his platform, he comes at you with facts and points clearly pleading his case. We know John Edwards from back in the Kerry days. He was appealing then and was a good draw for Senator Kerry, he got our attention. I don't care about his large home (many of those rooms are offices and rec areas BTW), he worked for it, he earned it. I too have lost a child, you either "get up" or you sink. Thankfully his family and mine chose the former.

I hope John Edwards does well today in NH. I think the fact that the big corps dislike him so is a major reason I'm leaning toward him. I would love for him to do well and slap them all down. They will be forced to pay him the attention he deserves. As Democrats, we have a plethora of wonderful candidates, those the media have allowed us to review and those we have had to do the research on to get our needed information.

I don't think it will be a good day for the Clintons and I would hope this board shows the courtesy and kindness we at the Joe Biden Support Group received from many of you. We hurt still and know how invested emotionally and financially one can become in their guy/gal. I'll end my little spiel by wishing John Edwards a good second in NH.

[gateley]

1. I hope that both Edwards and Clinton do better than expected tonight.

I think Obama's strong support is a given.

It's going to take me a while to decide who I want to support now that Biden's no longer in the running, and I don't want it to be decided FOR me.

I wish them all well! God willing, one of them will be the next President of the United States.

[monmouth]

4. From your keyboard to God's ear gateley....eom

[saracat]

2. Thank you monmouth.You kind words about John are appreciated.

[fadedrose]

3. missing Biden too....

I loved Biden too, and Kucinich. DK doesn't have a chance. Maybe Edwards can pull it off and put in Biden Sec/State and Kucinich in some cabinet post. I'd still like to see Obama as Senate Majority Leader because they sure need someone new - somebody whose chains aren't pulled by the DLC. And that is a very powerful (and very televised) position when the leader is in tune with the president.

[K Gardner]

5. Thank you monmouth. As a former Biden supporter, its getting kind of rough

around here these days. We Bidenites seem to attract attacks wherever we go :-) I might get my heart broken again, backing John, but it'd be nice if people here didn't snark about it or rub it in. One can always hope !

:toast:

[Thrill]

6. Edwards and Romney are a lot alike

They both are phony. And will say and do anything to get elected. I live in NC and we're still waiting for Edwards to do something for us.

[Bucky]

7. Thanks for keeping it all in with the spirit of the OP, Brent. Also, Gravel is like Hitler.

I win.

[ms liberty]

9. I live in NC, and I say you can speak for yourself only...

you don't speak for me, or many others in NC.

[ncliberal]

10. I agree. No one speaks for me.

What have Burr and Dole done for us?

I still see Kerry/Edwards stickers here all the time. I have even seen Edwards '08. He does have support here regardless of what some claim. People also claim that John didn't do anything for the ticket in 2004 but conveniently forget that we had voting irregularities in NC.

[cascadiance]

8. Thanks monmouth... I may have disagreed with you in the past on Biden...

... but from this post, I see that your heart is in the right spot.

It isn't so much about Edward's style that I'm for him either. I'm really for the message. And I think us all voting for a message is SO important. If we can get someone in that speaks the message we want heard for a change, then for a change, if that gets elected, we can claim a mandate. And that is larger than any one candidate and is worth every bit of effort we put into it if we can accomplish that.

Having a mandate for progressive change is what will get us out of being outsourced into a third world country, will keep us from trashing a planet that already is on the verge of a no-return collapse from global warming, and keep us from getting involved in any more unnecessary wars that only serve the interests of the war profiteers whose interests intersect heavily with those of the Korporate masters that are in charge now. I think everyone will benefit if we can accomplish that mission!

Thanks!

[Tennessee Gal]

11. Beautifully said!

"John Edward's style, and this is my problem to get over, is sometimes a little too slick for me. I've posted he reminded me of a car salesman. Well it's time for me to get over that, he's an attorney and obviously a damned good one. He's been schooled and trained to do just what he's doing, sell his story. His story is his platform, he comes at you with facts and points clearly pleading his case. We know John Edwards from back in the Kerry days. He was appealing then and was a good draw for Senator Kerry, he got our attention. I don't care about his large home (many of those rooms are offices and rec areas BTW), he worked for it, he earned it. I too have lost a child, you either "get up" or you sink. Thankfully his family and mine chose the former."

I wholeheartedly agree.