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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:05 PM
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Obama was up double digits in the polls
What happened? This has to be one of the greatest collapses in New Hampshire primary history.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:05 PM
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1. Polls must have a wee bit more 'margin of error' than they let on
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:06 PM
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2. The polls were just wrong.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:06 PM
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3. I guess they modeled his voters wrong
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:06 PM
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4. This is an enormous failure of polling.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:08 PM
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More likely an enormous failure of electronic voting machines w/ no paper trail
or more accurately, our reliance on them to tally "results".
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:09 PM
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9. No proof of that yet.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:32 PM
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28. Only wild deviations in ONLY Obama & Clinton numbers, but not in any other races
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:06 PM
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5. The sample was from younger voters
Very misleading polling snapshot.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:11 PM
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12. How in the world do you figure that?
Much of whatever systematic bias in the sampling would have worked to exclude younger voters.

Assuming of course that the outfits commissioning or touting the polls actually were concerned with a representative sample -or a valid and predictive set of questions & responses.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:08 PM
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6. "What happened?"
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 10:09 PM by depakid
Let's hope DU'ers ask themselves that question every time we see a cheap media poll... whether posted here or elsewhere.

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:09 PM
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7. Not unless they had horrible sampling my guess is:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:09 PM
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8. All I have to say is Diebold.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:12 PM
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14. was it Diebold in Iowa too?
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:16 PM
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20. Body counts in Iowa. But nice try. nt
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:17 PM
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22. They didn't use Optical Scanning in Iowa. n/t
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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:09 PM
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10.  women
they liked Hillary in the debate, and then they felt sympathy after the media's focus on her emotional moment.
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RoveRage Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:14 PM
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17. Sympathy? Yeah, that'll win a general election.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:10 PM
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11. Ignore all polls
They seem to be considerably off far too often.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:12 PM
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13. Not if they are done right
a 14 point swing in less than 24 hours is outside of the margin of error.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:13 PM
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15. DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN
The only poll that means anything is the one on election day.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:13 PM
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16. What happened? Hillary cried.
Hats off to HRC for the brilliant political maneuver.
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Doofer Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:14 PM
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18. Obama was up double digits in the polls
Something doesn't smell right...
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:16 PM
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19. Part of the fun and excitement of politics is the unpredictability of the electorate
Polls can be wrong, and people do change their minds right up until they cast their ballots. It's up to the candidates and their campaign teams to make sure votes for their candidates are locked up. Senator Obama won in Iowa; voters in The Granite State preferred Senator Clinton. Who knows? Maybe former Senator Edwards will take South Carolina. All three of these races are very, very fluid.

Every state and territory has its own particular (and sometimes peculiar!) brand of politics.
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NOVA_Dem Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:17 PM
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21. My friend from work told me Obama was going to lose NH and here's why...
He came over to my cube the day after the IA caucus to celebrate the good news. He said that he has a lot of family in NH and he says they're not as "progressive" as you think (well, he called them racist mf'ers but I didn't want to say that).

My only thing is that if the polling was more or less accurate for McCain why wasn't it for the Dems?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:18 PM
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23. Exactly.. what you said last. Smells, doesn't it?
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NOVA_Dem Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:27 PM
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26. I think you're going to see a lot people hiding behind the "gender" gap n/t
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:23 PM
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25. This is what happened to Doug Wilder (the first black gov)
You may be on to something...
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NOVA_Dem Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:28 PM
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27. I guess when you're alone in that booth....n/t
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:20 PM
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24. This shift is unprecedented in modern times
Never has every poll been wrong after declaring a winner outside the margin of error, afaik.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:34 PM
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29. I hope this tells people how fucked up
the polls are...
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:41 PM
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30. What is the amount of shift between the polls and the actual numbers?
I haven't been keeping up with the polls. Is it just one or two polls or an average of most of the polls that showed Obama significantly ahead? Hillary Clinton is three percentage points up now. How much of a percentage shift was there overall if you average all the polls?
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