Obama supporters: Why don't you want him to drop out?

[Seabiscuit]

Seriously, your guy is in deep doodoo if he can drop 15% in one day in New Hampshire.

If he were a stock that I owned, I'd sell and take my losses before it gets worse.

Go on... flame away, Obamabots. Show us what you're made of.

Meanwhile, I'll be collecting names in one convenient place.

[regnaD kciN]

1. Seems to me that your candidate's stock is rapidly heading towards zero...

IOW, you first!

[AmBlue]

36. It is Edwards that is driving the debate...

...for the benefit of ALL OF US-- god love him-- and will keep the rest of them honest. And, in case you didn't hear, he's in it "all the way to the Convention."

This is a distance race, honey, and my guy's been around the track before.
:popcorn:

[Seabiscuit]

2. In case this kind of thread bothers you,

consider the inspiration: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4005939&mesg_id=4005939

[Occam Bandage]

5. If Obama were in the same situation Edwards is in, it would be a fair question.

[Seabiscuit]

64. To your "fair", this is the "balance". So how do you like your "fair and balanced"?

[Occam Bandage]

3. Our candidate has plenty of life in him, and will contend for the nomination.

Your candidate's been a dead man walking since Iowa was called for Obama.

[Azathoth]

4. I'd be more worried about a guy who has been campaigning for 6 years straight who got 17%

[K Gardner]

6. Stop, just stop please. I'm begging you. No oneneeds this tonight..

I understand its frustrating for people to constantly call on our candidate to drop out, but lets be realistic. Obama has got to win this thing, unless Edwards has a comeback - which I hope happens. If it doesn't, I'm all over Obama to keep the Clinton-Bush Dynasty from continuing until the day I die. I want to live to see hope again. Just let them be, OK?

[Seabiscuit]

8. I appreciate the sentiment, but

I just thought I'd let some of the more rabid Obamabots see how they like it when their tactics are turned around on them.

[babylonsister]

10. Ah, here's a hug. I feel the same way(except different candidates-

I'm already an Obama fan) :hug: Thanks, and good night!

[Hippo_Tron]

7. I'll tell ya, tonight proved that the polls can be dead wrong

I really don't know what to think anymore.

[babylonsister]

12. Other than 'reality' isn't real? nt

[Egnever]

20. except they nailed edwards support

the only place they got it wrong was Obama/clinton

[Imagevision]

49. Was it the polls or was it the Diebolds?

[Hippo_Tron]

57. Well New Hampshire went for Kerry in '04

And we got Hodes and Shea-Porter when the polls were looking good for their GOP opponents. So no I don't think it's vote fraud.

[JI7]

9. he won Iowa, you think people should drop out based on polls rather than vote results ?

he won Iowa and came in only 2 points behind in New Hampshire.

[Seabiscuit]

13. He went from Mr. Inevitable to Loser in less than 24 hours.

:evilgrin:

[JI7]

14. 2nd place and only 2 points behind does not make one a loser

[Seabiscuit]

15. He lost, didn't he? Isn't that what losers do?

Isn't that what the Obamabots have been saying about John Edwards ever since Iowa?

Edwards wasn't supposed to win in either Iowa or New Hampshire. Yet he jumped from a distant 3rd to 2nd in Iowa.

But Obama was the projected winner in Iowa and the runaway Mr. Inevitable in New Hampshire. Yet he took a 15 point dive in less than 24 hours.

So if you think Edwards should drop out, why don't you think Obama should drop out?

[Occam Bandage]

16. Edwards didn't have a back-up plan. He took matching funds, so he had no money.

He didn't have a meaningful campaign structure elsewhere. His only shot was to win Iowa and parlay that momentum into an electoral domino strategy. Edwards was a one-trick pony, and he couldn't do his trick.

You saw in New Hampshire what Edwards' campaign is going to be from here on out.

[Seabiscuit]

18. "he had no money". So where did the $3 million + he spent on Iowa ads come from?

Speaking of a "one trick pony", Obama was supposed to run away with the New Hampshire vote but sure "couldn't do his trick".

[Occam Bandage]

21. Right. Like I said, Edwards concentrated everything he had in Iowa.

While Obama and Hillary were building nation-wide campaigns, Edwards concentrated on Iowa. Edwards bet everything on winning Iowa. He didn't. Now he's coming in the teens in every poll; he's done for. I understand that makes you upset, and so you're lashing out at Obama, but that's pointless. You just look petty and bitter.

Obama was expected to lose New Hampshire six days before the elections, rallied, and ended up narrowly losing anyway. Life goes on; he still has a good lead in South Carolina, and he's challenging Clinton for Super Tuesday states.

I don't think Edwards should drop out. I've never said he should. But taking your anger out on Obama is childish--not to mention patently ridiculous.

[Seabiscuit]

23. Bull. Shit. 'Nuff said. n/t

[Occam Bandage]

25. ""Nuff said" is simply shorthand for "I got nothin'."

[Seabiscuit]

29. When you make up crap like saying Edwards "concentrated everything he had in Iowa"...

then "Bull. Shit." is the best response you deserve.

[Occam Bandage]

31. He did. He spent practically every hour campaigning there. He built no national

infrastructure. He spent an inordinate amount of his extremely limited funding there. And Iowa was the only state he was remotely competitive in. He tailored his message to appeal to Iowa. He spent nearly all his time, free cash, and political capital on an Iowa win. He lost, and that is why he has been largely ignored. After Iowa, he cannot and will not challenge in a single state. He polls atrociously. His fundraising is nil. He's done.

[Seabiscuit]

35. Obama spent practically every hour campaigning in New Hampshire. He built no national

infrastructure. He spent an inordinate amount of his extremely limited funding there. And New Hampshire was the only state he was remotely competitive in besides Iowa. He tailored his message to appeal to New Hampshire. He spent nearly all his time, free cash, and political capital on a New Hampshire win. He lost, and that is why he will be largely ignored from now on. After New Hampshire, he cannot and will not challenge in a single state. He polls atrociously. His fundraising is nil. He's done.

Sound like a pretty fuckin' stupid thing to say about anyone, doesn't it?

Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. That's the whole point of this thread.

[FrenchieCat]

37. Edwards did the 36 hours marathons

not Obama.

and he lost by few points....didn't tie for 3rd place.

[Occam Bandage]

43. You realize, of course, that Obama and Edwards are in completely different situations,

and have had different strategies. Don't believe me? Tell me what state Edwards is going to be competitive in. Provide polling data.

[Seabiscuit]

52. Don't you realize that you've painted yourself into a corner

with your archtypically obnoxious and thoroughly ungraceful Obamabot Cap'n Crunch Brigade behavior?

As I collect my list of names in this thread, yours will surely be at the top of the list.

"I'm making a list, checking it twice
Gonna find out who's naughty and nice..."

[Occam Bandage]

58. So, rather than prove me wrong, or even suggest a way in which I might be wrong,

you inform me that you're adding me to some sort of "enemies list."

How convincing.

[Seabiscuit]

59. What's to "prove wrong" about obnoxious, obstinate opinions?

Such as all the ones contained in your posts.

During the past year I put all the disruptive DLC'ers on my "ignore" list. I've found it quite beneficial.

During the past week I've noticed virtually identical behavior from another rather unexpected source: a rude and juvenile faction among Obama supporters (that I have referred to as the Obamabots or the Cap'n Crunch Brigade), that Barack would be appalled and ashamed of. You head up that list. Congratulations!

I could say "see 'ya later" but I don't think that's going to happen under the circumstances, if you get my drift.

[JI7]

Obama has never been 1st place in NH polling until after Iowa Caucus

NH polling is always tricky anyways because of large number of indies that can go either way.

i have been saying even after Obama won Iowa that Hillary will still win NH . but Obama did pretty well coming in 2nd and only 2 points behind.

i never called for Edwards to drop out.

[The Traveler]

11. I know why you do this ... but responding in kind

is not the way to go. Tempting as it is. We have to focus on the issues ... and observe how rapidly both Clinton and Obama are incorporating Edwards' words, ideas, and themes into their own campaigns. Hey, if our guy is such a loser, why is everybody on both sides of the aisle so busy copying his talking points? :evilgrin:

[ProudDad]

55. You don't really believe that any of the "candidates"

would be allowed to actually put any policies that would actually help people into law, do you? :shrug:

[Seabiscuit]

56. Ordinarily I go along with that...

but sometimes extraordinary circumstances demand extraordinary measures.

The obnoxious, juvenile behavior of the DU Obamabots (which Obama himself would be ashamed of) have made DU virtually unreadable for the past week with their spamming, their insults and their smears. They're downright Rovian in their tactics.

Holding up a mirror to their behavior is one way to get their attention and hopefully get them to reflect on how others here perceive them.

What's pretty clear so far as they're incapable of "change", so perhaps the experiment failed.

I imagine if I put them all on "ignore", half the threads on GD Politics would disappear.

[donheld]

17. Aw shadd upp

[Seabiscuit]

19. When you Obamabots quit posting crap like the following:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4005939&mesg_id=4005939

THEN I'll "shadd upp".

Deal?

[Occam Bandage]

24. Hint: We're not all the same person.

[Seabiscuit]

27. Then I've never seen so many James Bonds in my life!

[donheld]

38. I'd like for both to shudd up

Don't take it too hard. We all knew going in this was going to be an ugly election. I still love ya. :toast:

[TheWebHead]

22. because he won Iowa, came in 2nd in NH

is leading in SC... While Edwards hasn't won any state, is not projected to win any state, has no money to compete, and is a distant third nationally in all national polls.

A vote for Edwards is a vote for Clinton. It pisses you off, I know, but it is the brutal fact.

You want Clinton to be our nominee, you want the right wing machine to be fired up with the candidate they most hate, you want independents who support Obama and McCain to support McCain if he's going against Hillary in the general, you want all our gains in southern states in the house to be thrown into play, you want the young voters who would come out in droves for all Democratic candidates on the ballot in November to stay home disheartened, then vote for Edwards.

[sunonmars]

39. Actually for Obama in the cold light of day, this is bad

He won Iowa, no doubt about that but he had huge momentum coming in NH and there was talk of Hilary dead in the water, not only did she take a supposed 13% Obama lead and drop it on its ass but she managed to win by 2%. Quite a feat for someone who was written off yesterday.

Obama's problem is this, the momentum juggernaut he had has been run of the railtrack and that greatness punctured in one big bubbleprick. Can he recover? I'm Not so sure as much as i want this to be a fight.

Obama's leads in SC and Hilary's drops in national pollings came after she lost Iowa. I'm betting now they go through the roof for her.

Obama's team must be wondering just what hit them? He lost the 25 to 39 vote also and the non white womens vote last night. The olders voters on masse went for Clinton, thats trouble big for him and the youth vote really did not put an appearance in, the fickleness wore through.

Some are saying this is one of the most startling comebacks they ever saw. They tried to kill her and she got up and wholloped them.....hard.

[Dawgs]

51. Why do keep lying and say that he had a 13% lead?

The best AVERAGE of polls he ever had was 8%. He was down 4-6 points right before Iowa.

He got a 2 point bump in NH. It would have been higher if Hillary wouldn't have worked up some fake tears the day before the vote.

Quit fucking lying.

[Seabiscuit]

60. Obama's own staff had him polling 14% ahead of Hillary the day before the election.

Hillary's own staff had Obama up 11%.

I think that's what the poster was talking about.

I seem to recall most polls just before the election had Obama ahead by 10%-13%.

So, if you add a 13% lead in the polls on Monday to a 2% election loss on Tuesday, Obama dropped 15% in less than 24 hours.

THAT's what the MSM were so wrong about.

[Indie Girl]

44. meh

Those rePuke inspired scare tactics don't work with me. The pukes are scared to death of Clinton getting the nomination. They've already swiftboated the Clintons to death over the last 15 years. The entire country already knows their dirty laundry. Nobody knows Barack's dirty laundry (except those of us in Illinois) and believe me, they are salivating over him getting the nomination. When places like Faux news prop him up, it sure makes you wonder.

It's so disturbing to see Dems say a vote for Edwards is a vote for the GOP or a vote for Clinton is a vote for the GOP. Edwards is not going away, he is in for the long haul and still has a shot. Trying to scare people away from voting who they want to so they support your candiate is dirty politics.

Just my 2 cents.

[Dawgs]

48. WOOHOO!! If Edwards really was for change, and he really didn't like Hillary, he would get out now.

Great Post!!

:woohoo: :headbang: :applause:

:woohoo: :headbang: :applause:

:woohoo: :headbang: :applause:

[Seabiscuit]

62. Messsssy.

Havin' another wet dream?

[Seabiscuit]

26. OK, nighty night. Thought I'd give you all some cud to chew on tonight.

[Superman Returns]

28. Edwards can't win one primary

not one. He is toast. He's only staying to see if he can be a spoiler or get on a ticket.

[Name removed]

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[Occam Bandage]

32. I can promise free unicorns for everyone in New York.

Same likelihood. The only way Edwards wins a primary is if Obama and Clinton are both assassinated or caught fucking a minor on tape.

[Seabiscuit]

33. Will you promise

to change your handle to Occam's Asshole?

[Occam Bandage]

34. I would, but apostrophes are sadly disallowed.

[cali]

40. yawn. lame

petulance from an EdWARdian.

[Perry Logan]

41. And a loud whining rises up into the air.

[jakefrep]

42. Because I don't want Hillary to be the nominee

Because I want the election to be about what's going on now, in the 21st century - not another rehash of the pissing contest that's been going on among the baby boomers since 1968.

Because I don't want a general election campaign that's going to make the Swift Boat nonsense look like a tea party.

[Colobo]

45. Because he's leading in delegates, won Iowa, and just lost by 2%

in NH, apart that he's getting endorsed by the powerful unions that shake up the Nevada caucuses...

[dionysus]

46. collecting names? huh?

drop out?

the fuck kinda shit you smokin coltrane?

[Dawgs]

47. You lost all credibility when you said 15%.

[Seabiscuit]

61. See post #60.

[Imagevision]

50. Will the Diebolds decide the next President? (they did the last time)

[thoughtcrime1984]

53. You are now in my convenient place

Buh-bye

[zulchzulu]

54. You want some black-eyes peas with your FLAMEBAIT?

Enjoy your delusion.

[AtomicKitten]

63. mmmmm ... flamebait

;)

[Seabiscuit]

65. Hmm... now my screen only shows 39 of the 65 posts in this thread.

MUCH easier on the eyes.

Since 13 handles bit the dust.