Who says Hillary won? Look at the numbers. She is on her way down.

[JDPriestly]

Hillary was way ahead in the New Hampshire polls in October.

Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Mitt Romney have solid leads in the New Hampshire primary, according to a new poll from the New Hampshire Institute of Politics at Saint Anselm College. Fred Thompson, a late entry into the GOP nomination race, is in 6th place.

The Oct. 15-21 poll of 1,514 likely primary voters shows Romney at 32%, followed by Rudy Giuliani at 22%. John McCain, who won the New Hampshire primary in 2000, was at 15%. Thompson was at 5%, behind Ron Paul (7%) and Mike Huckabee (6%).

On the Democratic side, Clinton led Barack Obama 43%-22%. John Edwards was at 14% ,with all other candidates in single digits.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/10/nh-poll-clinton.html

The above information was posted in October.

For a very long time, the polls showed that Hillary would win in New Hampshire by a large margin. She barely squeaked past Obama.

I'm an Edwards supporter. So why am I pointing this out. Because when you see that the whole Hillary win is a big media, big corporate lie because she LOST the huge lead she had. She is not going up. She is going down. Then, you see just how right Edwards is when he warns us that the big corporations manipulate us and control our democracy. Hillary "won" if you just look at the numbers of votes. But her "win" was by a small margin compared to where she was just a few months ago in the polls.

The hype is simply false. Hillary did not "win." She lost votes from her previous lead. This is not a win.

These facts also show just how naive Obama is if he thinks he is going to win this campaign. Edwards is right. The forces of corporatism are not going to let go of one iota of their power or money without a fight. Obama supporters. Please wake up. Obama may be a nice guy. But he is being abused by the media. They totally ignore Edwards. Obama is about to get his taste of the media game.

[elleng]

1. The hype WAS false.

This IS a win.

They all and we all are victims of corp. forces.

[JDPriestly]

2. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

[FrenchieCat]

4. I agree with your take......

as it is mine as well.

First time that we agree, I think.

[Sherman A1]

3. I agree with your view on the media

It is in their best interest to keep the race interesting and therefore have more eyes glued to their part of the tube. Do any of us really know the true poll results until the ballots are counted (and then hopefully accurately)? With the NH results we now have more of a horse race that they can pick apart until the next primary and it starts all over. They are doing the same to both sides on this look at how they talk about the campaign vs what the candidate position might be on an issue. For them it's about who won this state, what the combinations are in the next few and on and on and on. I think it's more "state run media" to keep emotions high and people watching while we are missing what is going on in places where it counts.

[JDPriestly]

7. The Northeast is where Hillary should do best.

She did not do well at all. The race is wide open.

[Sherman A1]

10. Just looking at the MSNBC results and....

with 96% counted HRC leads Obama by about 8K votes (give or take a little, I'm not doing the math) but delegates are 9 each (which is what counts, me thinks). Yes, HRC should do well in the NE and her polling numbers really fell off, yet this is at best a squeaker for her and not the great victory, putting all in the dust behind her. So we are back to the horse race which will keep the media happy for the next few weeks as they run different sound bites and possible scenarios.


"Well, you know Chris...." If Candidate A does well in South Carolina, but later Candidate B decides to run as an independent with candidate X we will most likely see this as a repudiation by the ___________ wing of the party".

[MrSlayer]

5. It is a win, flat out a win.

It's like saying a football team is favored over another by 20 points but they only win by 3 so it's a loss. She won this round flat out. I'd love to see Edwards win the next one. Then things would really get interesting.

[JDPriestly]

8. Hillary did not win.

I used to live in Europe. They have several parties. The whole point is to get the majority of seats in parliament. When a party loses seats, even though it wins the majority, it is viewed as less than a victory.

The Northeast is Hillary's turf. She should have won big there. She did not. Obama and Edwards together far outpolled her. If Edwards and Obama stay in the race, we could have a brokered convention.

As an Edwards supporter, I am encouraged.

[MrSlayer]

I support Edwards too.

But Clinton didn't lose any "seats" here, she won the contest. Even with the inevitable tightening of the race and Obama's "wave" she still pulled it out. As we move on, no one is going to be talking about how many votes the victors have won by but by how many states they've won. She won NH and is a very formidable candidate. Look at who is backing her, the people who will lose the most if she is not the nominee. Edwards has a tough road ahead of him.

[lapfog_1]

9. She didn't beat the spread.

if you are a gambler... it's a loss.

If you are just a fan or spectator, it's still a win...

But I think for everyone here, what it means is... this isn't over, nobody has it wrapped up and don't believe the polls.

[ellisonz]

13. You win.

[MrSlayer]

14. Oh it's not over at all.

I'd love to see Edwards take the next one. Things get really interesting then.

[Anouka]

12. I agree with you. A win is a win. n/t

[TreasonousBastard]

6. But we won't really know until a few more...

primaries, will we?

Polls are interesting, but it's the polling place that counts.

[regnaD kciN]

11. A lot depends on the media spin...

...since that will do a lot to influence the votes of millions of less-politically-aware voters.

If the COM (Corporate-Owned Media -- my new favorite alternative to "MSM") declares that N.H. establishes that this will now be "a horse-race," we'll have to wait until at least after the "Super Tuesday" results are in to determine the nomination is locked-up. If, on the other hand, the meme coming out of tonight is "the uprising is over, the status-quo has been restored," with Hillary once again being labeled as "inevitable," then the race is probably over right now.

[TreasonousBastard]

15. Well, it sure looks like a two-horse race, and...

I don't need any TV show to tell me that. Edwards pulling if off will be a miracle, and Richardson might as well cut his losses, as should the rest of them.

I'm sure the good folks in Nevada and elsewhere are all glued to CNN to see how they should vote. When 2/5 comes around, we'll all be glued to Fox to see who the already designated winner will be.

Actually, there's tons of local media, mailings, town hall meetings, phone banks, GOTV campaigns, doorknockings, and voter registration drives that tend to give them some ideas. And talk around the water cooler, church socials, honky-tonks, and diners. Whatever media you are talking about tends to get drowned in the cacophany.

Don't blame the media for showing us the horses that insist on racing. And winning.

[Bitwit1234]

16. POLLS ARE NOTHING

Because Zogby shows, it depends on who you ask...

[dmosh42]

17. I think Hillary pulled off a huge win!

I'm also an Edwards backer, but I saw this win as what can happen with that 'female' factor that the pollsters noted some months ago. They haven't figured out yet why, but maybe that emotional outburst, or 'Big Dawgs' attacks, or whatever, but the female vote bailed her out big time. All the pollsters had her losing a couple days ago, maybe in double digits. But the exit polling showed that female vote backing HRC big time in NH. The reason I can see this as a 'huge win' is some momentum will still keep her close in SC, but when Feb 5 comes, there are some big states with no crossover voting, (NY, Ariz?, etc.) and she consistently leads among Dem voters, plus her organizations are really powerful there. Calif. will be a big prize, that Obama might get something going. But I don't think we'll be reading any more of those posts about why Hillary should just drop out.

[sunonmars]

18. Oh she won alright

She lost and by a lot in Iowa and Obama went off with Juggernaut speed. Then she lost her lead and Obama was expected to crush her by 12 to 15 points and she not only pushed his momentum juggernaut off its rails, and punctured perhaps fatally Obama's momentum but she then won the primary. If thats nots taking winning then I dont know what is.

as they say Iowans pick Corn, New Hampshire picks presidents. Sorry for the small amount of gloating but so many people wrote her off viciously yesterday that will have to eat crow today and admit she just about smacked Obama down after the weeks she's had.