Biden Votes Went To Hillary. Youth Vote Doesn't Come Out. Race A Factor?

[fightindonkey]

These are some of the discussions going on now. Biden dropping out, seems to have helped Hillary. Most of Biden's supporters who want experience, went to Clinton. The youth vote, again, proves not to come out in the end for a win. Lastly, do people go into a voting both, and still have a problem with race in the end?

[aquart]

1. What was the matter with those kids?

WHY would they come out in Iowa and not in NH?

[MADem]

3. Better Canadian pot in NH?

Or maybe the turnout in IA was a nefarious plot by snarky college Republicans?


Who knows?


The weather was GLORIOUS--that wasn't the problem. It was milder in NH than it was in IA--and the NH-ites had the WHOLE day to vote.

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

5. If pot was the issue, Mike Gravel would have finished a strong 3rd.

[MADem]

7. My point was, the pot made the youngsters forget to vote. If pot was a FACTOR

Gravel would have finished...oh, about where he finished!!!

[avrdream]

9. I just spit wine on my screen! LOL!

Thanks.

[MADem]

8. Pardon my doubleclick!!!!!

[aquart]

12. But the turnout was huge. Was it all adults?

Was something screwed up in the campus GOTV? They need to ask really hard questions.

[MADem]

14. The turnout was huge, but the northeastern kids aren't college students from

"the neighboring state of Illinois."

No one bothered to factor in the Gephardt effect when looking at Obama's IA victory. It WAS a piece of the pie, yet people ignored it, instead preferring to shop this "black guy wins in a white state" theme, because that's the "better" story.

What's funny about NH and the "Gephardt effect" is that Romney, WITH that factor, couldn't even pull it off--and THAT's telling, too!

Another possiblity--perhaps the critical mass of NH Obama voters already flew to their colleges in Iowa and voted, so they can't again?

Unlikely, but ya never know.

If the GOTV was effed up, I'd be surprised. Could be, but I think not.

There was a lot of effort happening "on the ground"--to say nothing of the airwaves. Maybe those commercials had a reverse effect? The Obama commercials weren't terribly good, frankly--it was that same 'monotone' voice, where he'd be, frankly, yelling, and he wouldn't be saying SHIT. Platitude after platitude, generality after generality, in a loud, booming, monotone, hectoring tone--just not convincing. After you heard it for the tenth time in an hour, even if you supported him, I'd wager your thoghts were "Wouldja just shut the fuck up, already?" OTOH, Clinton had one where she looked right in the camera, close up, and spoke quietly, pleasantly and specifically. And she had another that was just music (really good music, too--uplifting, kind of hummable shit) pictures, and written words. Easily repeatable.

Might have made the difference...who knows?

[JI7]

2. the youth vote is why it was still a close race

Obama would have lost by a large amount if they did not come out.

also, Hillary did better with the youth vote in NH than she did in Iowa. it was still heavily Obama but in a close it can make a difference.

[RummyTheDummy]

4. The youth vote is extremely unreliable

If you're a college kid, even if you're pumped up about a canidate, you're more likely to go to a last minute keg party than wait in line to vote. A very easily distracted lot.

[MADem]

10. Funny,too--they had ALL DAY and into the night to vote. NT

[sunonmars]

6. It was the women

they came out in droves for Clinton.

[leftynyc]

13. I saw that also

47% of the women. They put her over.

[Uben]

11. The youth turned out in record numbers!

...at least thats what they told us yesterday during polling. Heck, they were concerned about running out of ballots. They turned out, they just didn't break for Obama like expected.

[izzie]

15. I think race will be a problem for a long time.

I also think women will be a problem. White men are going to want more white men. No one gives up power easy. The young people always seem to not care or so many I talk to say that but I voted as early in life as I could so I may be off on how I think about that. Why would I be so different? I also do not look at sex or race but I do feel others do. I go for how they think and for get this 'what I have done' a lot. Bush cured me of that. Heck he came from a family with a good 100 years of govt. behind him plus put in all those old guys and no one could have made more a mess than he has. I think it is only how these people who get to the WH think. First they have to have an open mind to what is going on. This thinking that they are the aristocrats and need to rule us is killing.