this is getting ridiculous

[ccpup]

the number of sour grapes "she stole it" and "it was rigged" and "Obama's being swiftboating" Posts this morning are almost beyond belief!

This is politics, people! Sometimes your candidate does his or her best and still loses. Sometimes your candidate does his or her best and wins. Voters are difficult to judge especially when taken out of the public zoo which is a caucus and put back in the privacy and relative normalcy of a voting booth.

I don't recall any "Obama cheated" or "the caucus was rigged" or "Obama's swiftboating Hillary" threads after his Iowa win.

If she continues to do well and actually win more Primaries (and possibly the Nomination and the Election), the Obama Supporters are going to make this place nearly impossible to visit and enjoy.

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. I know! despite expecting it, I am so often recently disappointed in DU

so ugly.

[LostinVA]

2. Yup -- it's why I wrote my thread

[ccpup]

4. could you link me to it? n/t

[LostinVA]

9. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4008715

[ccpup]

11. great thread!

I actually responded. Good stuff, LostinVA. :hi:

[LostinVA]

17. Thanks!

[1corona4u]

3. Last night, it was racism...

has that faded?

[acmavm]

10. Racism? The big bad Biden supporter who was soooooo damn

convinced his man had it in the bag is now crying racism?

You need to get a grip. And some help.

[1corona4u]

12. I'm not saying it at all

the Obama supporters are. Biden has nothing to do with it. I asked a fucking question. next time, you might want to think before you jump down someone's throat.

[acmavm]

15. You know, I just went back and read your post and I was wrong.

I apologize.

Except for the Biden remark. I still have that thread bookmarked.

[1corona4u]

21. Whatever...

people like to remain positive. I guess I should have jumped on the "Biden can't do it band wagon".

Sorry, I fully supported MY candidate, if that's a crime, then SUE ME.

[CarolNYC]

5. "getting" ridiculous???

This place has been way beyond ridiculous for quite some time now....

Nothing here surprises me.

It has pushed me firmly into the Clinton camp though and so last night's victory was sweet. Judging by some of the threads here today and last night, though, it apparently was a very bitter pill for some.

[Frances]

6. I tend to support those who are attacked also

But I will support any Dem over any Repub in the general election.

I'm glad the race for the nomination is close, however. I think it will make the eventual winner stronger.

[ccpup]

8. funny you should mention that

because the baseless, often vitriolic attacks on her actually drove me to learn more about what she's done and what she wants to do. And I ended up supporting her officially because of that. Had it not been for the blatant unfairness shown to her on DU, I may never have educated myself and decided she's the candidate for me!

[1corona4u]

22. I think that's how a lot of us learn about these candidates...

it has been for me...

[CarolNYC]

29. Yep, exactly.

Seeing all of the ridiuclous, baseless attacks here made me look beyond so much of the stuff that is thrown at Hillary from all corners to look for the woman behind the myth. I was pleasantly surprised at what I found....and greatly encouraged. So thanks to the anti-Clinton DU attack dogs for giving me the push that I needed. They did what even General Clark's endorsement couldn't do for me.

[acmavm]

7. No shit. This is pathetic. At least when Obama won Iowa the

Clinton fans didn't cry and bitch 'it was STOLEN, WE WAS ROBBED'.

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. Actually, there were quite a number of threads on "bussing people in"

and suchlike, so there was some "she was robbed" nonsense going on. Similarly, when he was supposedly up in the polls, we heard a lot about how the "Corporate Masters" were determining the election, etc. So, to be fair, there are enough paranoid arguments to go around for everyone.

But you're right that it wasn't at this volume and level of stupidity.

[Dawgs]

16. Bullshit. Go back just a few days to see the excuses(media, money, stupid youth, etc..)

[alcibiades_mystery]

20. The "dumb youth" (codeword, "inexperienced) argument was particularly noxious

But it is not a "fixing" argument so much as a whine.

The "bussed in students" and "Republicans fixing OUR primary" and "media choosing our candidate" arguments, however were very serious cases of paranoiac sour grapes. The "NH was rigged arguments are similarly paranoid and divisive.

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. Absolutely agree...and I lean for Obama

The "rigged vote" idiots are impossible to argue with, so they are better just ridiculed and ignored.

Point being: this is not all Obama supporters here, but a very small and vocal minority. The sane ones know that sometimes you just lose elections, even by surprise.

[jbnow]

18. Hope we don't think that

come November if we lose despite it being so contradictory to polling.

I'm not a conspiracy type and I like all the candidates but this swing makes no sense. Polling and internal polls are rarely so far off.

The newest software there has been banned after testing in other areas and was not even tested here. Obama won in rural areas and small towns where it is hand votes.

It isn't about whose candidate won or lost. If we care about November we better be looking at this

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. Polls are RARELY that far off

I agree. It is shocking. But the rare happens.

[jbnow]

24. Of course the rare happens

but will we say that if it happens in November?

I'm sure you noticed there were other points in my post.

[alcibiades_mystery]

27. I will say it in November if the same sort of thing happens

There is no voter fraud. Or rather, the fraud is in the process, not in the machines. Here, the process was clean.

[SIMPLYB1980]

23. Giant K&R!

Lots of Sour Grapes.

A lot of Freeper Trolls.


Thats how I explain it. Whats funny is that when it comes to the polling data the vote in NH was definitely on the up and up. Let them shoot all they want they are only shooting at thin air.

[sunonmars]

25. They need to stop this

It could seriously hurt all candidates if they start down this road and especially Obama who people would suspect of sour grapes not to mention prosper a feeling of disenfranchisement to black people.

Knock it off now.

[BlueJac]

26. Why recommend this thread............

Things are getting ridiculous!


More recs should be needed for this BS

[SIMPLYB1980]

30. Why should it take more recs?

Because you don't agree with it? Because your candidate couldn't possibly lose? Inquiring minds want to know.:sarcasm:

[goldcanyonaz]

28. It's disgraceful, and on a "Democratic" forum at that.

[mrgorth]

31. BS

I'm not saying anything was rigged but I read all the posts about the media killing Hillary and how repubs were voting against her so they could run against Obama. Please. There's plenty of whining to go around.