I know why Hillary faked emotion!!!

[mrdemocrat78]

I figured this out yesterday as I sat there stunned as the women all changed their minds and picked hillary.

Obama wouldn't attack her right? She needed to be attacked by someone, so what if she faked the "cry" so the media would attack her, and that is exactly what they did.

Think about it. doesn't it make sense? She needed someone to attack her to get sympathy... That's why Obama won Iowa; the attacks from hillary. So, since he wouldn't attack her, she had to trick the media into attacking her.

What do you think?

[dmallind]

1. I think you are deluded and biased. Thanks for asking. NT

[mrdemocrat78]

7. Please... I'm sure she's been faking it for years...

And I'm not just taking about with Bill...

Politicians fake emotion all the time to rally support, and she had to know the media would attack in a big way. This is a political machine after all.

....35 years...

Hillary is no different. You can't give her a free pass just because she's a woman.

[dmallind]

9. I refer you to the answer above. NT

[mrdemocrat78]

10. What is this... republicanunderground now...

you got nothing else to offer? Nice.

[dmallind]

31. Nothing else can be offered

to such ridiculous sour-grapery.

[mrdemocrat78]

39. sure there can... look below

there are plenty of comments, both in agreement and disagreement.

[redqueen]

43. Only 4 in agreement. (nt)

[mrdemocrat78]

45. I don't care

I didn't expect a lot of the women on her to agree with me

[redqueen]

54. Just providing the number which you referred to as "plenty".

And you think it's only the women on here that disagree with you?

:rofl:

Righty-o.

[mrdemocrat78]

58. I just said there are plenty of comments...

that are about more than just... "you are wrong"
plenty of comments with some thought behind them
stop reading further into what i write than what i actually write

[redqueen]

59. I'm not reading further than what you write!

You said plenty agree... I don't think 4 is plenty, that's all.

Words are blunt instruments... use them carefully. :)

[mrdemocrat78]

64. You haven't been reading anything I write anyway

You keep saying i wrote this and that, and you are wrong over and over again.

I said "there are plenty of comments, both in agreement and disagreement."

I didn't mention numbers

You are reading what you want to see. Slow down.

[redqueen]

66. I think I'm reading what you write

with much more thoughtfulness than you're putting into writing it.

[mrdemocrat78]

70. maybe you should read it again.

You read it wrong. And you know you read it wrong. Now you should admit it.

And if you got lost in the conversation, maybe you should read this last exchange again.

[redqueen]

79. Know what... nevermind.

Not worth it.

Have a good one.

[mrdemocrat78]

71. PLENTY OF COMMENTS

it didn't give a count of agreement or disagreement. you did that, and then forgot you wrote it i guess.

[Bonobo]

2. She disn't fake it. More like LIHOP.

[readmoreoften]

35. LHCOP

Let Herself Cry On Purpose. Tee hee.

[YOY]

3. I think the issues are far more important than this BS

n/t

[Webster Green]

4. It didn't seem faked to me..

I think you are wrong!

BTW, she would be my last choice of those running, but some of these attacks are absurd.

[debbierlus]

5. Oh, please. The woman can't win.

I am an Edwards supporter but I saw nothing contrived about that moment. Can you imagine how YOU would feel, in her position?
She is a tough cookie, & she DIDN'T cry. She showed a tiny bit of emotion and now she is a manipulative bitch?

Please.

[NoPasaran]

6. I think those grapes must be pretty goddamned sour

[mrdemocrat78]

8. You have to admit though... If i'm right it's one hell of a strategy

And it's not sour grapes... It's just an observation.

It do find it odd though, everyone wants "change" or so they say, but they vote for a candidate who will give the least.

You don't have "35 years of experince" as she says, and be about change. She is part of the establishment, not an agent of change.

And while i would vote for her in the presidential election, she definitely is NOT the best candidate out there... She's probably the 4th best candidate.

She's just riding Bill's coat tails.

[End Of The Road]

14. Not to worry...you're wrong. eom

[mrdemocrat78]

16. I might be on some of it... but NOT on all.

[zbdent]

11. I heard the RW shotgun approach to Hillary's "emotion"

1. It was faked.
2. She pulled the "female" card.
3. She's not tough enough.

They were all over the place ... every pundit had a different reason, so that, by sheer fact that they tried EVERY excuse, someone had to be right ... kinda like covering every number on the Roulette board ... you can claim you have a perfect record of picking the right number ...

[murbley40]

12. I don't think she did fake it.

[Tess99]

13. I don't think it was that calculated at all

Yes, I think it was obviously phony. But I don't think it was that deeply calculated, because as soon as she she did the misty eyed thing, the very next sentence she starts bashing Barack and got really nasty. When you watch the whole clip, she wasn't crying because of her love of country, she was crying because she didn't get why people didn't get all that she's supposedly done for 35 years. What happened was the media didn't show the full clip, and it looked like she was crying for country, and not frustration with the electorate. That's what helped her, the editing of the crying episode.

That said, better she did it now than on Feb 4th. Because if she does it again, I don't think it will work. But who knows, this is how she wins things. Plays the poor battered white woman card. She disgusts me.

[mrdemocrat78]

15. Yes, I noticed that too

You noticed that too! What do you know... I am not alone. The only show that bothered to air the full clip was countdown.

Whether she planed for it all to happen is going to be up for debate... I just was thinking...

But, how do you go from being emotion and almost crying one breath, to back into full attack the next?

[Tess99]

17. That's why I don't think it was really planned

Because guess what, the person asked her, not how she handles the campaign, but how does she find the time to do her own hair. the media changed the question to "how to you do it all" or some feminine BS like that. So I think if anything, the press created this story, thinking it would hurt her. But the way they edited it made her look like a poor damsel in distress, and women felt bad for a fellow woman and voted for her. But let me tell you, this stuff does not sit well with women of color. This nations ability to coddle adult white women, to come to their defense even when they lie about being attacked, truly disgusts us. Hillary's MO is to play battered white woman in distress. That's not gonna work on sistas of color in this country, who actually do have to stand on their own two feet.

[maddiejoan]

50. Because

she didn't get emotional and then decide to speak her stump material.

she got emotional WHILE she was already delivering her stump material.

hell, I've had emotional moments while teaching people how to use photoshop --and I just went on all choked up and stuff while explaining the tool bar.

I sure hope my boss didn't think it was a calculated attempt to get the person to apply a 3pt feather to the wand tool.

[stevietheman]

18. You might be right...

I don't know if it was a trick, but if it was, it will only work one time and one time only.

[redqueen]

20. " this is how she wins things. Plays the poor battered white woman card. She disgusts me."

Your post disgusts me.

WTF are you talking about "this is how she wins things"? When was the last time she played the "poor battered white woman" card?



:puke:

[Tess99]

25. She got her senate seat

because she was emotionally battered and humiliated by her husband and because that "swarthy" Italian guy stood too close to the WASP princess and scared her in that debate. She's the front runner for the presidency because she was emotionally battered and humiliated by her husband. She won NH because the unwashed country white boy and the scary negro were picking on a white woman. When has she ever won anything on her own and by standing on her own two feet. Ignore and deny it all you want, but the dymanic of the victimized white woman who needs rescuing is real and embedded in this country's psyche.

[Alamom]

40. There's a lot of disgusting shit laying all around this thread. nm

edsp

[IronLionZion]

46. When has the media ever shown a full clip of anything?

or DUers for that matter? DUers post cherry-picked statements or even sentence fragments out of context to spin propaganda.

Looking at full video clips, reading complete transcripts, and actually being there in person usually provides a radically different take on things than what certain folks with an agenda want you to take from it. FWIW, most of the women who saw the media clips did not vote in the NH primary. NH women voted in the primary. I pity the fools who hadn't decided on a candidate before election day.

This is why Iowa and NH are important for picking presidents. They meet the candidates up close instead of through the talking heads on TV. My apologies for digressing from the topic.

Cheers
ILZ

[redqueen]

19. I think you're not a mind reader and assertions like that in the OP

are shameful.

[mrdemocrat78]

21. It wasn't an assertion

it was an observation of a strategy that would have, and perhaps did work. There is nothing shameful about it. I didn't say she kills puppies, and I didn't say she DID do it, I just said she might have.

[redqueen]

23. Yes, it was.

as·ser·tion (ə-sûr'shən)
n.
The act of asserting.
Something declared or stated positively, often with no support or attempt at proof.
http://www.answers.com/assertion&r=67


You said "I know why Hillary faked emotion!!!!", which is actually TWO assertions.

One: that you know she was faking.

Two: that you know why.


IF you'd said she might have, your OP would have been a lot less offensive.

[mrdemocrat78]

26. Gimme a break

and then what did i do? huh?

I ASKED FOR PEOPLES OPINION BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE!

If i had just made the statement and left it at that, then it would have been one thing, but NO, I asked what other people thought.

Seriously, before YOU make assertions, you need to read with an open mind.

[redqueen]

30. I have an open mind, thanks.

Look, you typed your thoughts as an assertion rather than an opinion. You didn't just ask, because before you asked, you declared your opinion as if it were fact.

My assertions in this thread are all based on observations that I have made within the thread itself.

[mrdemocrat78]

62. okay, perhaps you have a point about the title

that was done to get attention to the post

but you have to admit the content does not say the same thing. It was not an assertion of anything. Just a question, trying to see if anyone else thought the strategy might have been planned that way.

Regarless of whether she did it or not, it would have worked, and regardless if whether she INTENDED it that way or not, it is what happened.

[mrdemocrat78]

55. and also you missed 2 important words

I said "What If"
there is a difference.

[redqueen]

57. Read your subject line again. Eventually you'll get it.

You ONLY asked "what if" she did it for the reason you suspect... you were not asking "what if she wasn't genuine?".

Sheesh.

[mrdemocrat78]

61. come one

you're just playing semantics now...

[redqueen]

63. "playing semantics"?

No. I'm just not allowing you to claim you didn't say what you actually said.

[mrdemocrat78]

67. No, you are just proving to be crazy

Thanks for the debate though... It was an eye opening experience as to why Hillary can't win.

[KittyWampus]

22. she also, by coincidence, had those hecklers do the "iron your shirt" business.

and don't forget- Bill used the fake "phone call from Hillary" business as well.

When Hillary ran for Senate, Rick Lazio looked real aggressive to her during debate. It won her that seat.

Edit- Even if all recent events were just happy accident for Hillary (and may be) I am certain Clintons and Penn have taken note and found an effective strategy.

[redqueen]

24. Oh, so she's behind the radio stunt too?

*sigh*

[mrdemocrat78]

28. No...

I don't think that was her... It would be stupid of her to do something like that, because it would be too easy to prove.

And by the way, this is a free country and we are alloud to think what we want. For better or worse.

[redqueen]

32. But you JUST SAID:

"she also, by coincidence, had those hecklers do the "iron your shirt" business."

There is no avoiding that you JUST SAID that she was behind it.

Good frickin grief, this place...




And yeah, I know, you can think the moon's made of green cheese for all I care, but I'd still point out that it's frickin lunacy.

[mrdemocrat78]

36. No... "I" didn't say that

There you go again...

Someone else said that... Read before you comment

I said I didn't think that she did that; it would be too easy to trace back to her.

[redqueen]

41. Where in your post did you say that someone else said that?

You most certainly did not say that you didn't think she did it, until I challenged you on your original assertion.



I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

[mrdemocrat78]

44. Are you crazy?

I DID say that I DO NOT THINK Hillary arranged the "iron my shirt guys" and I just said it 2 more times.

[redqueen]

53. ...

:hi:

[mrdemocrat78]

48. that wasn't me that said that. it wa cryingshame! Look again

cryingshame

post#22

[redqueen]

52. Oops.

But... why the fuck did you asnwer the question I asked the person who posted that as if you had been the one who made the assertion in the first frickin place?

:eyes:

[mrdemocrat78]

56. LMAO

you know... I don't know. I thought you were saying I said it.
I love this site.
god bless.

[Politicub]

27. I think you're on the wrong board

Go join the Freepers - they're more in to the type of mud you like to sling.

[mrdemocrat78]

29. No mud being slung... Just thoughts and questions.

I have never posted anything on here the was pro repugnican, so don't pretend to know my political offiliation.

[LostinVA]

33. Of course you're slinging sexist mud -- transparent as glass

This thread needs to be locked.

[mrdemocrat78]

34. No mud, just opinions. If you can't take the heat....

Get out of the primary.

Seriously though...

I am glad she won last night, I really am. It keeps them honest, and keeps the discussion open.

While we might not agree on many things, I think we can all agree that this race is not only good for the party, but good for the country too.

And as I said, I don't support her right now because she voted to authorize the war, and to this date has yet to apologize for making a horrible decision.

I support Obama because he was intelligent and diligent enough to know better.

No candidate who voted for this war deserves to be the president. That said, I will completely support which ever candidate EARNS the nomination.

[Carni]

74. and stupidity apparently... eom

[readmoreoften]

37. Also when you make your girlfriend cry, she's just being a manipulative bitch too.

Women are wily and not to be trusted.

[robbedvoter]

42. Excellent post! Sums it all. How revealing these posts are!

[demo dutch]

51. You must be kidding, how sexist~

[SIMPLYB1980]

38. Yum sour grapes a BS.

What a combo.

[Marie26]

47. Hillary black-ops!

:tinfoilhat: AHHHHH!!!

[demo dutch]

49. Nonsense!

[mrdemocrat78]

60. Can we just agree on 1 thing?

That regardless of which dem wins the primaries, we are going to kick some republican ass in the fall!

[suston96]

73. Yeah, now let's move along. This one is ready to flush......

[mrdemocrat78]

76. thank you... that's what i'm trying to do

[Didereaux]

65. Don;t give up the 7-11 job and go into political analysis.

[mrdemocrat78]

68. You are so funny

i just dropped my slurpee

[ProSense]

69. Here is Hillary's campaign on

the episode.

[mrdemocrat78]

72. Redqueen, you have the same problem as Hillary

When you are wrong you can't admit it. When someone gives you a chance to gracefully say you made a mistake, you refuse to do it.
When someone tries to be nice to you, you slap them in the face and ignore any good will they have bestowed upon you.

I don't have time for your ignorant views. If you care to actually read through all of this, and take the time to understand what you are reading, then maybe you can do what hillary can not. Admit you are wrong and graciously apologize.

[redqueen]

80. That's not me...

:eyes:

[HughMoran]

75. The woman who asked the question voted for Obama

She said that there was no doubt in her mind that the slight choke-up Clinton had was real. C'mon, get real please.

[mrdemocrat78]

77. I give up....... I have said it could have been real...

I just said "what if" it wasn't

that's all....

[HughMoran]

81. What was intended with a subject "I know why Hillary faked emotion!!!"

Don't you think that a deliberately divisive headline like that will necessarily receive criticism? :shrug:

[mrdemocrat78]

82. that's why i made sure to NOT say it in the text in the comment

[rAVES]

78. I think you would have to be insane or brainwashed to NOT see it this way.

shes a cold calculating politician.. nothing more.

and it worked, big time. expect more of this in the future,
she wont be so stupid as to jump the shark with it.. but a more "human" and emotional approach to her
talks. how can people be so silly? Shes still a war supporting DLC candidate..
did she well up over the near 4000 soldiers dead? the million Iraqis?
What about all those dead Children from the sanctions?
oh no.. but a loss in Ohio? that makes her well up, loose her professionalism.

get real people.