Have some of you lost your minds on here today???

[LostinVA]

Rigged elections, calling out Skinner, HRC is a known racist, women can be manipulated to vote for someone, Gloria Steinem is sexist, etc.

Jesus Christ.

A woman won last night. That woman was HRC. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON. I wasn't jazzed about Obama taking Iowa, but I swallowed the bitter pill and moved on to NH. I'm glad it's a real race for a change.

And, this certainly isn't addressed to Obama, etal supporteres... it's addressed to their "supporters." Because people who REALLY believe in what their candidates stand for wouldn't be posting this stuff.

[Beelzebud]

Well said. A lot of people are sounding like idiotic conspiracy theorists today.

[DS1]

1. Many didn't have one to start with, and others saw that and decided it was 'cool'

:+

[LostinVA]

2. I may have to get you to Photoshop something to calm me down

[stillcool]

3. the problem is...

that as long as our voting apparatus is insecure..no election results will be trusted. It doesn't matter who the candidate, or what election. It's not going to change, until we have verified voting.

[LostinVA]

6. Wrong -- this didn't happen after Senator Obama won

And, I doubt it would have happened if he had taken the plurality last night. This isn't an "election fraud" issue for the HUGE majority claiming this last night and today.

And now I will be away from my computer for a bit.

[truckin]

11. It didn't happen after Iowa because they use a caucus system

without secret voting machines.

[LostinVA]

19. And you think THAT'S the only way votes can be rigged?

[truckin]

40. No, but I do not know every way votes can be rigged. Perhaps you

could explain to me how to rig the Iowa caucus.

[crispini]

49. I personally heard from someone who attended Iowa four years ago.

She said that at the caucus she attended, there was very little effort put into closing the doors and making sure that people could not move from caucus to caucus in the same school, and that furthermore, they did not issue people any kind of voting card to indicate that they were eligible to vote. She said that even though she was there as a guest and was not eligible to vote, several times people tried to count her in the caucus and she had to tell them not to.

[truckin]

Thanks, I've had no experience with caucuses and have only

a basic understanding of them.

One big difference with a caucus and votes on machines is that to rig the machines you only need one person in the voting machine company. That person could insert a few lines of code and we're screwed without audits. To move people from caucus to caucus, while definitely a problem, would be much harder to do on a large scale and there is much greater chance of getting caught. The risk with the machines is far greater.

[NobleCynic]

92. True, but to have an impact

You'd need collusion among thousands or even tens of thousands of people. With electronic voting, you need one dishonest person to have in impact.

Not saying it's impossible to cheat a caucus. Just saying it is much more difficult.

[1corona4u]

97. OH yeah.....

that's a great system, whereby they use 'rock, paper, scissors' and flipping a COIN, to determine who people will vote for!! Where people can register AND VOTE, on the same night!! Where people may not get their FIRST choice, because that person, from 'the powers that be', can be deemed NON VIABLE on the spot.

Yeah, that's so much better. NOT.


:eyes:

I hope you realize how ignorant your inference was.

[stillcool]

27. Wrong...

every election that is decided by what has been proven to be an inaccurate, and unverifiable voting method will be questioned. As long as accuracy can not be determined, how can anyone have faith in the results? As you recall...Iowa does not 'vote'. The New Hampshire primary is the first...many more to follow. It will be interesting to see how the rest play out...

[LostinVA]

89. They caucus, and as I said, they can also be rigged

But, people on here didn't start shrieking that from the rooftops after SEnator Obama's win. And, they shouldn't have. If you REALLY think most of the "rigged" posts are sincere, then I have a very nice bridge to sell you. It's over in Brooklyn. It's nice and big and strong.

[LynneSin]

52. If we cry "FIXED" everytime we see an election result we don't like

We're going to look more like the boy who cried wolf then people who have a seriously legitimate reason to question the electorial process.

[stillcool]

58. Until election results...

can be verified to be accurate..every future election's results will be questionable. Move beyond Obama.

[LynneSin]

61. And you're absolutely right there with that statement

Obama doesn't win and suddenly we're screaming "FIX" and "RACISM"

Personally, the voters from Iowa vary from those in New Hampshire. I saw NH as a better fit for Clinton.

That is all

[stillcool]

63. I'm glad you have faith...

in our unverifiable, unreliable system of voting..and I hope that in all future elections whoever you, and you alone, choose to support wins. I think you should get used to defending your position.. of "FIX", and "RACISM"..or whatever other trite phrase you want to throw out....when someone questions the accuracy of election results...because if nothing is done to remedy the inaccuracies nothing will change.

[LynneSin]

68. The problem is - I'm hearing "FIXED" and "RACISM" in this election

and it's starting to become trite to me.

Hillary didn't win Iowa - should I start screaming SEXISM?

[stillcool]

79. I don't know what you 'should' scream...

but I guess you better figure out something...because every time there is an election some one is going to bring up the "Fact" that our election process is flawed, and that the results can not be accepted, because there is no way to assure accuracy. And...it's really easy to fix. But....it's also real easy to scream "FIXED", and "RACISM", and "SEXISM"...rather than fix how we count the votes.

[indimuse]

78. unless..

it your candidate was the victor!:banghead:

[stillcool]

81. Correct....

No one cares how the votes are counted if their candidate wins. And if, there candidate should lose, it will be too late to question how those votes were counted. However...it would be so easy, to just provide the means to insure accuracy can be determined. But...it is even easier to scream 'sore loser' when any election results want to be confirmed.

[indimuse]

87. well put stillcool47...

and that you are!:headbang:

[Skwmom]

4. It's not only women that can be manipulated to vote for someone.

People (men and women) can be manipulated to vote for someone. How do you think we ended up with Bush?

I'd like to add: I think they are trying to manipulate the black vote (all the b.s. about the polls won't be accurate for a black candidate, Obama is not black enough, and on and on), the senior vote (all the talk of a generational shift), etc.

[malta blue]

k&r

Thank you.

HRC was not my first choice, but neither was Obama. And I am glad she won last night. It makes this a real election. My vote may just matter by the time the NY primary rolls around.

:hi:

~Malta Blue~

[Catherine Vincent]

5. That Clinton hate is strong. nt

[Carni]

7. Boy do I agree!

I missed where people were calling out Skinner for whatever imaginary sins but man are there some sore losers today, or what?

People need to chill because this is just ugly IMO

[LostinVA]

9. Insanity

We have six good candidates (I'm including Biden). WTF does the other side have?

[LynneSin]

54. Your reply is just insultive.......

I know some sore losers out there that do NOT want to be lumped with Obama supporters today

But you are absolutely right!

[William769]

8. K&R! for sanity.

[SIMPLYB1980]

10. K&R!

[crispini]

12. Thank you.

:popcorn::kick::thumbsup:

[LostinVA]

17. Oh, I figured that when I posted it

[BeyondGeography]

13. There was an unprecedented gap between the polling and the final result

with a 16-point swing in the female vote overnight following a teary-eyed "humanizing moment" in a diner.

Excuse us for talking about it.

You might want to tell Terry MacAuliffe to shut up, too, while you're at it:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080109/ts_alt_afp/usvote2008women_080109144848

[LostinVA]

21. Talking is one thing, claiming is another

And, I don't think I told anyone to shut up -- YOU contact Terry.

[KaryninMiami]

28. Thank you- and by the way, the paper votes in NH produced different results then the machines

We just want someone to make sure the numbers are correct and so far this morning, what's unfolding is that there might be something odd going on worth checking out. Frankly- I don't care who won- I'm not a sore loser or a conspiracy theorist. But this warrants further investigation. Period. Something is not right and we need to know for sure, if what we saw is reflective of how the people voted. Why is that so difficult for people to understand? Machines can and have been hacked. Anyone read the NY Times cover story on Sunday? Are you people sleeping under rocks? If Hillary won- that's fine with me. If OBama won- that's fine too.

Give me a break.


http://www.legitgov.org/nh_machine_vs_paper.html

2008 New Hampshire Democratic Primary Results --Total Democratic Votes: 286,139 - Machine vs Hand (RonRox.com) 09 Jan 2008
Hillary Clinton, Diebold Accuvote optical scan: 39.618%
Clinton, Hand Counted Paper Ballots: 34.908%
Barack Obama, Diebold Accuvote optical scan: 36.309%
Obama, Hand Counted Paper Ballots: 38.617%
Machine vs Hand:
Clinton: 4.709% (13,475 votes)
Obama: -2.308% (-6,604 votes)

[LostinVA]

33. Skinner's excellent thread is being ignored

[KaryninMiami]

41. Nope- I saw it and was relieved to see the CNN exit poll numbers.

But that might not be the entire story- all we are saying is lets check this out further. Come on folks- we're talking about the credibility of our elections and about stopping a potential crime which we KNOW has happened before- from starting a pattern here. That's all. Did the votes reflect the voters? Did the votes match all of the exit polls? Did the hand counts match the machine counts (we already know the answer to this is no).

[DivorcingNeo]

62. Are you serious?

Take a look at the numbers.

Hillary only won by three percentage points. What is the problem? There is no vast conspiracy!

Maybe, just maybe 8,000 more people voted for Hillary than Obama...how does that sound?

Does that make sense?

Also, I truly believe the tears sound bite did help. Some women may have felt she was being piled on and victimized. That could have given the extra overnight bump she needed. We will probably never know.

In the end I do not think we should dwell over this, but move on to help the candidates we support do well in other States.

[indimuse]

80. I heard Oxi Limbaugh

this afternoon saying "This... should be Investigated!"

[1corona4u]

100. Yeah, so what....

I'd bet the counting machine is right. Whwn was the last time YOU counted something over 100? How many times did you count it again?? How many times were you wrong??

Sheesh...................

[TreasonousBastard]

56. Talking about it is one thing, but concocting...

wild-assed conspiracies to:

A-- stir shit

or

B-- Hear one's self talk

is an enormous waste of bandwidth and the time of sentient beings.

[HERVEPA]

59. Yup, just ignore the exit polling! It had some crazy numbers like

Clinotn 39, Obama 37

[BeyondGeography]

83. The conversation is what happened to move the numbers so fast

that doesn't mean you buy into the notion that the end result was a fraud. :eyes:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

14. Today? I've been wondering that for months now. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

15. Matt Drudge rules DU's world

Petty personality-based gossip and speculative, worthless chatter is all they know. Drudge, after all, rules their world. He's their Walter Cronkite. And they wallow exclusively in the Matt Drudge currency, what two of their most revered members -- Mark Halperin and John Harris -- described as their fixation with the "attacked-based, personality-obsessed politics" pioneered by their Ruler. Can one find more compelling proof of all of this than their juvenile, sadistic, lynch-mob savaging of Hillary Clinton over the last several days based on the pettiest and most fact-free assaults and their long-harbored desire to see her crushed?

As is so often the case, Maureen Dowd today unintentionally provides a perfect view of the core sickness of our press corps:

There's more... http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/09/matthews/index.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. It's Obvious A Lot Of People Here Didn't Play Team Sports As Youngsters

Or even be on the debate team...

They would have learned to be gracious in victory (and) defeat...

[riqster]

42. If you can't trust the referee, you'll ask questions

... to use your analogy. By the way, I am a Kucinich backer but would find it a truly historic event to cast a ballot for a female or black president. IOW, the outcome of the NH primary does not concern me.

What DOES concern me is how quickly people will immediately adopt right-wing attitudes and phrases ("get over it") when their candidate wins, spewing venom and ridicule toward election integrity activists. It's shortsighted, childish, destructive and displays a blatant disregard for facts. There were posts on this topic days before the election, if you'd like to check. Not all of this concern is partisan in nature.

FACT: 82% of New Hampshire ballots are tabulated by a private concern with no governmental oversight. That concern is owned and operated by Republican political partisans.

Whether HRC pulled off an upset (I expect she did) is not the point. The point is, neither the voters nor the governmental agency that used to control the voting process KNOWS the actual results. This is faith-based voting, and people let their prejudices decide the outcome. Me, I like to see the actual numbers, counted in a transparent fashion. This is a test case for November, and how we act now will determine how things go later.

To return to your metaphor: this game may or may not have been rigged: but in a league that has had many 'officiating' scandals, it's a fair question to ask.

[LostinVA]

44. "Get over it" is now a RW phrase, and I'M using it?

BBBWWWAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Hurt your back stretching that much?

YES, GET OVER IT.

Sour grapes make bitter whine.

[riqster]

60. It was used in 2000 by Reeps.

Go ahead and pretend it's all OK. Most sheep do.

[KaptBunnyPants]

102. Where were you 7 years ago?

Get over it was the slogan of the Bush election "victory". Is that one more fringe benefit we can get from a Clinton nomination, the solidification of black box voting as legitimate from the Democratic side as well?

[Joe Chi Minh]

18. Diebold, Diebold, Diebold. Get over it!

(You need to find your way out of VA, pronto, if that's what it's done to your mind).

[LostinVA]

23. *yawn*

Sore losers and nothing more.

I don't live in VA, and when I did, I lived in a very, very blue area.

[Joe Chi Minh]

72. Very, very blue area, eh? No wonder you were lost.

[Adelante]

20. People called out Skinner?

:wow:

I haven't done that in years :evilgrin:

[LostinVA]

29. Yup

I would only do it if he said Olive Garden was fine Italian foodr

[redqueen]

22. It does seem to be getting worse...

I'm finding it harder to just ignore the bullshit.

[Donnachaidh]

48. there's lots and lots of trolls signing on

And more than a few longtimers willing to "show their asses" when it comes to their candidate. If this is the way they act now -- I can only imagine how nasty and vitriolic they will get when the REAL race begins, after November.

Some folks need to grow up and stop looking at this like it's a half-hour popularity contest. It's NOT American Idol.

[Cameron27]

24. Thank you,

it's unbelievable. I'm passed caring anymore, let the sexist, sore-losing Clinton haters blather on, people are finally taking notice & it's going to backfire...again.

[totodeinhere]

25. Bradley factor

Could it be the Bradley factor? Did a lot of white voters in N. H. lie to the pollsters when they said they would vote for Obama? For the sake of this country, I hope not, but I suspect that it might be.

[LostinVA]

35. Women broke hard for Hillary and the college-age crowd apparently

didn't make a great turnout -- that hurt Kerry in the GE, too.

I don't dispute what you're saying, though. When I lived in NC, Jesse Helms always did quite a bit better than polls said... I don't think some people wanted to admit they voted for him!

[Cameron27]

36. No, it was the woman factor

and the Democratic base factor. The Democratic votes weren't skewed by Indy or Repug votes in NH. Those went to McCain.

[1corona4u]

101. I don't know, but one thing I am going to do...

is start an email campaign. In it, I am going to include all of the 'conspiracy', 'stolen election', and 'racist', excuses coming from the Obama team, and tell people MAKE SURE YOU VOTE FOR OBAMA, because we will never hear the end of it, if he loses. :eyes: :sarcasm:

[Scriptor Ignotus]

26. agreed. eom

[bigwillq]

30. Very good post.

:thumbsup:

[LostinVA]

37. Thanks -- and I;'m glad your guy is still in it

ALL of them should be. It makes it exciting to finally ahve a really good field!

[bigwillq]

31. Very good post.

:thumbsup:

[Beausoir]

32. It astonishes me that there are so many excuses for why HRC won. NH women simply decided she was

most ready to lead. It's just that simple.

NH women voters, when exit polled, decided that HRC was ready to be commander-in-chief.

[Maven]

34. K/R

[LostinVA]

39. As I said to bigwill -- I'm glad your guy is still in there fighting

[elixir]

38. Amen.

[YOY]

43. Despite being called a "Hillary Hater" several times for questioning her stance

I take pride for not joining in on any of this recent BS that has nothing to do with the issues. I am sure many others do as well...

[LostinVA]

47. I never thought you were a "Hater," just as I'm not

You're a Supporter, not a "Supporter."

[YOY]

55. Not you LostinVA...but some of the folks here who take questioning her "progressive" record

as something akin to misogyny or happiness for Obama in Iowa as something akin to homophobia.

I'm happy for Hillary about NH but I still don't like anyone telling me she is inevitable.

Truth be told I'd prefer Edwards handsdown to either...

[LostinVA]

65. I'd prefer

[YOY]

75. Lost me. Come again>?

n.t.

[LostinVA]

66. I'd prefer

[LostinVA]

45. I am now finally leaving to go do something -- flame amongst yourselves

[underpants]

46. I saw a liitle of that nonsense

some crapola about rigging the machines and racism :eyes:


DU-wise and otherwise

[LynneSin]

50. AMEN and Alleluia

Obama lost - get over yourself

Ugh!

[no name no slogan]

51. Bbbbbbbbut CLENIS

I agree entirely. This race is shaping up like the old-fashioned primary seasons of old, where you didn't have a clue who the nominee would be until after Super Tuesday.

[LostinVA]

67. It's very exciting, even if it's rigged

:eyes:

[bullwinkle428]

73. ZOMG!!1! TEH CLENIS RIGGED TEH MACHINES!1!11!

:rofl:

Behold the power of the Clenis!! Do not taunt Happy Fun Clenis!

[ElboRuum]

77. Pardon my ignorance but...

CLENIS?!? What the hell is CLENIS?

[FredScuttle]

82. THE CLENIS is known as the most insidious, venal instrument of evil and wrongdoing in human history

What with its near-success in tearing down our system of government, its havoc and destruction wrought in the Third World, its continued blocking of us to adapt to alternative fuels.....

[surfermaw]

98. Bill went in to the counties with colleges in them at the last minutes

And evidentally he is more charsmatic than Obama, he carried the counties for Hillary.

[ElboRuum]

119. Ah, I see.

Excuse me a minute...

:rofl: :spray:

By the way, Fred, I don't know who's doovers they were.

[ieoeja]

53. K & R n/t

[youthere]

57. As a Biden supporter, I was proud of Hillary-

DO you know that I woke my oldest daughter up early this morning, just to tell her the news? And for the record, I've never been a strong Clinton supporter. We had an early breakfast together and we talked about WHAT THIS MEANS. What it means for her. Clinton empowers women. My daughter has always believed she could become anything, but Hillary has provided proof of it, even if she doesn't become the nominee.She has accomplished what no other woman has. SHE IS A SERIOUS CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES. Others have attempted it and gotten shot down...Hillary broke past the barrier, and whether you love her or hate her, do NOT take that win away from me or my daughter(s). I cried when I saw the results. Because of New Hampshire it means my daughters will have to struggle a little less. And because of that, maybe, just maybe my grandaughters (some day) won't have to struggle at all. WE did that. US. The Democratic Party.
People might hate Hillary, but they need to stop hating her just long enough to thank her.

[PearliePoo2]

64. Yours is a VERY VERY nice post

I too, see the huge significance of HRC as a successful candidate.
I was a Biden supporter, would love to see Edwards go the distance but I will proudly pull the lever for Hillary Clinton if she ends up the nominee.
In fact, we are fortunate to have such a huge, talented and intelligent field of candidates to choose from, any of which I could happily support.
Contrast this with the RePugs and..........:puke:

[youthere]

74. Thanks PearliePoo2 (there's more than one PearliePoo?)LOL!

I might disagree with Clinton on some things but as a woman I am grateful to her.

[LostinVA]

69. What a wonderful post!

I've always enjoyed you so much as a poster, and this almost made me cry... yes, just like HRC! Carol Mosley Braun and Elizabeth Dole tried, Geraldine Ferraro was savaged for just being the VP nom. All of them helped us reach last night. It's really cool to have the two front runners be minorities.

How old is your daughter?

[youthere]

71. Thanks LostinVA.

She just turned 13. My youngest daughter is 8 (a little too young to understand all the subtleties right now). But I mean it. I'm not shy about telling folks Hillary is not my favorite candidate, but I'm proud as HELL of her right now. She deserves to be honored whether you support her or not. I told my daughter this morning that when she grows up and looks back on this, I hope she considers Hillary Clinton a personal hero, because I do, and even though I disagree with her on some issue, I admire that woman and I am grateful to her.

[IronLionZion]

70. If one was confident with one's candidate, one wouldn't need to tear down anyone else.

That insecurity bothers me deeply about the 3 leading candidates. Their supporters spew negativity. Bill Richardson's supporters don't do this. I joined onto Biden's campaign partly because his supporters didn't do this.

[ElboRuum]

76. What's with the qualifiers?!?

What? Today ONLY?

You know, when I was watching the 'news' this morning and Clinton took the NH primary, granted, not by much, I immediately started speculating what I would see here on DU today. The hatred shown toward Hillary Clinton on DU by some of its membership is emesis-inducing, so I suspected the worst.

I've been checking out some of the GTs and sure enough, the place is wallpapered with all kinds of things which confirmed my suspicions.

Happy Tear Your Hair Out Day!

[LostinVA]

85. I was being nice!

[sam kane]

84. Bradblog and others have been questioning voting machines for years. It is not personal.

I wanted Hillary to win yesterday, but also want to know about the voting machines. Why do you trust Diebold so much that you say that people who question them are "losing their minds"?

[LostinVA]

86. When did I ever say I trusted Diebold -- and, of course this is personal

Yup, I bet you wanted HRC to win.

:eyes:

[sam kane]

88. If you don't trust Diebold, then why defend them now?

People who have been working on the Diebold question for years are concerned about this issue, not just "sour grapes" Obama supporters. If it was Diebold, at least they finally picked the candidate I wanted to win this time!

[LostinVA]

93. I'm defending HRC's win, not Diebold

And, going by your and other posters' logic, we should never, ever have another election again.

AND: many of these posters don't give a fuck about voting reform. They've never talked about this on DU ever, and many of them have been the most rabid anti-Clinton posters. The whole thing is crazy.

I have NEVER seen such a group of poor losers in my life.

[stillrockin]

90. Move along folks, nothing to see here . . .

:smoke:

[LostinVA]

95. Sour grapes make bitter whine, don't they?

boo-hoo

[smiley_glad_hands]

91. Some people need to learn to swallow there pride and move on.

You're not going to prove fraud in a quick enough fashion for it to matter--just look at W, he's still hanging in there. So do you destroy the party from within or live to fight another day? Are you so cynical to accuse a democrat with out irrefutable evidence?

I for one would like to think that democrats don't do this to each other.

I'm an Edwards supporter who actually watched Obama's concession speech and enjoyed it. I thought he was very inspirational. I am prepared to unify behind whomever the nominee is.

Are you?

[LostinVA]

96. I hope the "Are You?" isn't directed at me

Because I've posted a zillion times the last few weeks -- including today -- that I'll vote for whomever gets the nomination... and I won't be crying "DIEBOLD!" if it isn't my candidate.

I'm not the one you need to ask that of. My OP and all of my past posts show that I always support Dem, even though I'm not one. And,I haven't posted ONE post attacking another candidate and won't.

[smiley_glad_hands]

116. No not you. Those who have lost their minds. lol

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was only trying to join in on your sentiment.

[Sparkly]

94. I haven't looked around here today. Thanks for the recap.

I think. :scared:

[PinkTiger]

99. Obama won in Iowa because of the caucus system, period.

After the "nonviables" were recruited for him, that is.
Also, Iowa is in the middle of the country, where women are given very short shrift.
In a place where you stand in a booth and vote, it is a totally different thing. No changing.

[hfojvt]

103. Not me.

I lost my mind a long time ago


but I got over it and moved on.

[tom_paine]

104. You forgot to call everyone who disgrees with you "Sore Losermen"

n/t

[LostinVA]

108. *yawn*

BTW, I also like your candidate.

[tom_paine]

112. BTW, you are one brutal one-note flamer.

Apologies if this offends, but this thread is full of your verbal feces.

I am far from perfect, and I have lost my temper and "yelled" at people, but I must say that when I see ten or fifteen or twenty posts that shriek short declarative ad hominems, it raises my eyeborws.

That's exactly the kind of shit we don't need. My candidate has no dog in this fight, is is exteremly unlikely or impossible that he was "denied" victory by Diebold election fraud. I am concerned with election integrity and nothing else. The fact that seven years later, our voting systems are non-transparent and uninspectable by the representatives of the American People.

I'll say it again, it doesn't matter if my candidate was the recipient of Diebold largesse, and I like to think I would be more understanding than you if the positions were reversed.

As I said in another thread, which because it was conciliatory and not an invitation for flamefest, sunk like a rock...well, just read the thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2640123

Feel free to rip me again with a short, declarative one-liner. After all, I must be lying when I said my concern about election integrity stems from actual concern rather than just "sour grapes".

Right? I MUST be lying.

[Glenda]

105. Well put!

B-)

[Generator]

106. Please.

Most of us lost our minds in 2004 if not much earlier. AND HEY you are calling out crazy people! Not nice, missy.

[ZombieHorde]

107. Kicked and Recommended

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

109. ABHRC '08

.

[FrenchieCat]

110. a woman who needs to make sure she brings her man to

her new job.

New boss, same as old boss.

When a woman runs on her own merit, if she makes any sense, I'll vote for her.

Give my daughters real inspiration
instead of fake "progress"

[DeepModem Mom]

111. K&R

[tomp]

113. some people will never get it.

there is fraud in our election system.

there is blatant, rampant, BIPARTISAN corruption in our government.

i'll never "get over" corruption of democracy.

but you're worried that somebody called out skinner.

how freaking childish!

and don't go around accusing people of being insane and expect polite responses.

[Bonobo]

114. Yup, your priorities are straight. Thanks.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

115. I really don't understand the cause for celebration.

When we finally GET the GE, it will be the "Wilder/Bradley effect" or some similar excuse the politicos will use to validate the stolen win by Huckabee and his party.

[lame54]

117. giuliani

[ElizabethDC]

118. Just today? There's always some craziness on here

and it's not just the Obama supporters. Everybody's got crazy supporters. Oh well, that's DU.