"Iran is a threat to world peace"

[Old and In the Way]

This guy wasn't satisfied invading/occupying one country in the ME...he wants to instigate another ME conflict. I truly hope he gets to explain himself at the Hague.

[Occam Bandage]

1. It is.

[babylonsister]

3. No, it's not. He's making mountains out of molehills. The question is why. nt

[Occam Bandage]

5. Yes, it is. It has deep connections to violence in Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine.

I do not for a second advocate war with Iran in any manner whatsoever, but being anti-war doesn't mean you have to excuse the actions of a different warmongering, saber-rattling, theocratic dictatorship.

[babylonsister]

8. And our asshat in chief is fueling all of it. On purpose. Why? nt

[Occam Bandage]

10. For the same reason Ahmadinejad is.

A desire to extend his nation's influence across the entire Middle East. Both are attempting to accomplish this through a mixture of political overtures, economic pressures, and military action.

[babylonsister]

12. Well, we can agree to disagree. Remember that pesky NIE? nt

[Occam Bandage]

14. That NIE claimed they had stopped military development of nuclear weapons. They have.

It also claimed they were an expansionist power that threatened peace in the region. Let's not cherry-pick.

[babylonsister]

19. Let's not cherry pick? Is that you, Dick Cheney?

We were told for months/years about the nuclear threat only to find out there isn't one? That's one big cherry!

[Occam Bandage]

21. Correct. Bush was lying to turn world opinion against Iran.

Similarly, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad lies to influence and harness regional opinion against America and Israel. I don't understand why the existence of one lying warmonger with an agenda of control precludes another. Indeed, tensions such as exist between America and Iran seem to require two.

[ixion]

9. there is no greater threat to peace that the US

that's a fact. WE are the only ones going around invading other countries.

[Occam Bandage]

13. I'm not saying Iran is a "greater" threat. And frankly, I would indeed call

their military and financial support of foreign militias and terror networks "invading other countries," just like I would our actions in South America under Reagan.

[Old and In the Way]

11. So does Pakistan...and they have a nukes.

Why aren't we threatening them? You can't understand why Iran has an interest and influence in the ME? The US is now on their border occupying a neighbor, we have warships well within their striking distance of their major populations, you don't think this is threatening? They are no threat to us, but Bush won't be happy until we get another war on so he can get oil to $300.00/barrel and then use this as an excuse to declare martial law here.

[Occam Bandage]

15. Well, just like you say. They have nukes.

And what makes you think I don't understand why Iran has an interest in the Middle East? Certainly they do. All nations have an interest in the affairs of their neighborhood. Larger nations with extensive foreign trade, such as America, have an interest in the affairs of the world. An "interest" does not excuse violent action.

[Old and In the Way]

18. "An "interest" does not excuse violent action."

Like what we've done in Iraq since 2003? I'll bet you were down on Poland for threatening Germany and world peace back in '37, too.

[Occam Bandage]

20. Nope. What we did in Iraq was the greatest violation of international order

and the largest threat to world peace since Germany's invasion of Poland. An attack on Iran would be the same. Since when does being anti-war mean you have to turn a blind eye to someone else's warmongering?

[Old and In the Way]

22. When it is this administration making the accusations on Iran's intentions.

Iran tried to re-engage with the US to fight Al-Qaeda after 9/11. They were rebuffed. They have dismantled their WMD program 4 years ago. They have not done anything that threatens us. But, if you really want to marginalize moderates in the ME and empower radicalization, the best way to do it is keep making unbalanced threats against Iran.

[Occam Bandage]

23. As a rejoinder, I will point you to my attempt at honest discussion of the situation,

which nobody felt like replying to at the time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2418732

[babylonsister]

26. The US is basically saying, 'Bring It On'. Again.

It makes me ill.

[Greenwood]

24. You are correct. Iran is a threat to world peace...

Evil does exist, sadly.

[Occam Bandage]

28. Iran is not "evil." They're rational actors.

[Greenwood]

29. Some in Iran are evil I should say*

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[dipsydoodle]

7. ditto

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[goldcanyonaz]

16. I also agree, the question that needs asking is why Obama instead of Clinton for you?

She also agrees that Iran is a danger to us.

[Occam Bandage]

17. Iran is not a direct danger to *us.* I didn't say that, nor do I believe that.

[Old and In the Way]

25. But *us* is leading the charge to start a war with Iran.

One illegal and immoral war not enough for you? What would $2 Trillion dollars have bought us investing in alternative/renewable energy here instead of making us into the 21st century version of the Axis Powers?

[Occam Bandage]

27. I am completely against war with Iran, as I was with Iraq.

Again, how does being anti-war mean I have to excuse someone else's warmongering?

[Old and In the Way]

30. So you are indicting every country in the world who has a standing army?

Why doesn't Bush make the same accusations about Pakistan or Israel? You do realize that our actions in Iraq have given Iran good reason to be concerned about our interest in their oil? I can't control Iran's posturing, but I can work to get these war-mongers and war-profiteers out of our government. If Iran is a threat to world peace, let the UN take action. So far, the only people making bellicose statements about Iran's intents is *us*.

[Occam Bandage]

31. No, just those that can't seem to keep their army or militias within their borders.

Bush doesn't make those same accusations because he's a liar. We've already covered this.

[robbedvoter]

2. You are talking about Edwards, right?

[Old and In the Way]

4. Nope...Bush.

On the world stage trying to jumpstart another war.

[slipslidingaway]

32. "Iran threatens the security of Israel and the entire world." Edwards

January 2007

:(

[redqueen]

6. Doesn't matter if he's satisfied or not...

he's a puppet, the Neo Cons are running the show. And we all know their plan doesn't stop with Iraq.