Hillary Clinton's nomination will be our Iraq War

[Scriptor Ignotus]

apologies for the tasteless reference, but please hear me out. yes, I am being slightly tongue in cheek here.


If the Democratic delegates pick Hillary Clinton to be our nominee, we can look forward to a situation eerily similar to our countries' plight in Iraq. A Hillary nomination will be a quagmire that we won't be able to extricate ourselves from. Our enemy the Republicans, like Al Qaeda right after 9/11, is currently weak, demoralized and disorganized. Nominating Hillary will be like putting boots on the ground in the Holy Land. Through her we will inflame their hatred for us and instead of having some of their more moderate members join our ranks and convert to our causes, we will polarize and disenfranchise them, pushing them back into their evil GOP ways.

At some point around mid-summer some of us will realize what a terrible mistake we made nominating her. Her polls will have dropped and the Republican nominee's (the anybody but-Hillary candidate) will have risen. Some Democrats will beg us all to stay the course and just go out and support her. Others will suggest we cut and run to a third party candidate, like Mike Bloomberg. Others will back the Green Party candidate. We will be split, fractured and in disarray. The Republicans, now united in a common cause, will swell their ranks and launch nasty, painful, bloody blitzes against us. Videos of their vicious attacks against Hillary will saturate YouTube. Then suddenly it's November and to the shock of many, she wins by the narrowest of margins.

Yes, I still think Hillary would win.

Her supporters will cry Victory! and with steely eyes solemnly decree that her opposition is in its last throes: the Republican Revolution is over! But then a funny thing will happen. After the dust settles, the Republicans will slink back into shadows, engaging us in small-arms fire. Bit by bit, house by house, they fight with an unending stream of fanatical followers. For four years we will be harassed and maligned, our bills quashed, our legislative agenda paralyzed, and our local elections lost. We will lose Judges, State Reps, County Auditors and the like at first, but soon it will be high-value targets like Senators and House Reps. Eventually a purple nation will bleed red and it will be 2004 all over again.

Over the long-term, a Hillary nomination is unsustainable for our movement. It is folly. It is our Iraq War, our Waterloo. We might win the 2008 battle, but ultimately we will lose the war. Or at least stalemate our enemies, which isn't what we want either. We want converts. We want people to want to become liberals. That's how you get universal health care passed. That's how you legalize same-sex marriage. That's how you improve our schools. That's how you hold corporations accountable for their actions. This strategy was used to great success by Rove leading up to the 2000 elections. It only failed because Bush is a jackass and conservatism is a flawed ideology. We don't have those problems.

[oldtime dfl_er]

1. You offer no supporting information

A lot of assumptions but very light on facts. We're all listening, every opinion is important, but I don't see a lot of actual supportable fact here.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

6. it's a metaphor

jeez.

[cmaff05]

2. Very well said

Hillary getting nominated - and possibly elected - will only result in more partisan bickering. If the Republicans don't take the Senate in 2008, they will take it in 2010 or 2012. The GOP has an axe to grind against the Clintons.

[dmallind]

5. ANY Dem elected in 2008 will create bickering

what is it with this idea that all of a sudden the fundies and neocons will get all misty and cooperative if anyone but Hillary is in the WH? Those days are gone. The Republican party is not Eisenhower's or Goldwater's any more - it is the party of ideologues and fire-breathing snake handlers. They hate the Clintons because the Clintons beat them. By definition Obama or Edwards would have beaten them to be in the WH - why on earth would their rancor be any different? Did they treat Kerry nicely? Gore? I don't care if they hate Hillary more now - they'll hate whoever it is when the time comes.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

7. now THAT is untrue

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1752381.ece
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Paper_Republicans_embrace_Obamas_bipartisanship_0607.html

Some will hate the eventual candidate, this is surely true. But there are many potential voters, former Republican voters, "in play" this time around. More so than in 04 for sure.

[dmallind]

22. And at this point in 04 the same was said for Kerry

remember they get at least 4 and more likely nine months to develop hate./ They are good at developing hate. They will remain so. we could nominate Jesus Christ and he'd be at 45+ negatives by election day.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

28. let's hope to god all the campaigns have learned their

lessons from Kerry's/Shrum's mistakes. We'll get attacked, but some candidates will be able to deflect or counterattack easier and more effectively then others.

[dmallind]

33. Agree ther. Clinton's good at it for sure. NT

jh

[xultar]

3. OMFG...I hope y'all are seeing how bullshit is slung from both sides.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

13. did you miss the part where i said i was tongue in cheek?

or do you not know what that phrase means?

[xultar]

18. Nope...but man you could have come up with something less divisive than IRAQ WAR

Why does it have to be a war.

We hate war don't we.

I don't really like the connotation that electing one candidate over another is a WAR. We should be concentrating on beating RETHUGS PERIOD.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

34. Edwards supporters seem to want "war" with the republicans

and yea, I recognize that the comparison is tasteless, but i saw some interesting connections there.

[xultar]

35. You didn't think that was a bit much? Comparing one of out candidates to a quagmire of a war?

So I bet you'll be the kind to not vote in GE if Hillary gets the nom right?

IF so, you're part of the problem.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

47. i'll compare any man to Hitler if I think his moustache looks the same

know what I mean? doesn't mean that guy wants to kill all the Jews in the world, just that he has a square moustache, ala Adolph Hitler.

You can compare something benign to something atrocious, without transferring all of the atrocities onto the benign, no? That was my rationale.

[wyldwolf]

4. of course, with an Obama nomination...

... we'll constantly be defending his lack of experience to a skeptical public who would never hire a novice to fix their car's transmission.

... we'll constantly complain about his "Deer in the headlights" look when the the GOP smear machine ramps up against him. Some of the more hardcore Obama supporters will claim the Republicans are only kidding.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

9. he's already been accused of being a Muslim plant

for Al Qaeda. I know they'll do more than this, but hard to see how it could be worse than this.

I have never seen him with a "Deer in the headlights" look, so not sure where that is coming from.

[wyldwolf]

16. a pennisetum or a convolvulus?

[Scriptor Ignotus]

30. you watch your mouth!!

how dare you swear at me! ;)

[NWHarkness]

8. On the other hand, if Obama wins

The Republicans will all see the error of their ways, renunce conservatism and join hands in the town square to sing "if I Had A Hammer".

[Scriptor Ignotus]

10. some Republicans already have

also, "If I Had A Hammer" is too old school - very Baby Boomer-generation. wouldn't work at an Obama event. maybe Rihanna's "Umbrella"??

[LynneSin]

12. Perhaps SirMixALot's "Baby Got Back"

I could see Orrin Hatch rapping that one out!

[Scriptor Ignotus]

15. too bad Strom Thurman died

i bet he loved that one. haha.

[LynneSin]

11. HAHAHAHAHAHA - best response EVER!!!!!

:rofl:

[xultar]

21. I agree.

[ronnykmarshall]

37. You need to add to your exploding head count.

and that responce was some funny shit.

[xultar]

40. I've actually had to add a post of mine to the exploding head count.

[Maven]

29. ROFLMAO

[ronnykmarshall]

38. I hereby submit this post for DUZY nomination.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

45. is this is the first time you've seen an Obama- Kumbaya

type joke? those are like knock-knock jokes around here.

[Maribelle]

14. The Democratic delegates?

Yesterday Obama supporters wanted the Undeclared frauds to pick the democratic nominee.

MSM and all the widdle pollsters backed that thesis to the hilt, running from the mouth with the hopes that Obama would receive the major share of Undeclared votes that were sapped from the Republican primary, bashing Hillary with polling stats soaked in venom every chance the could. After all, didn't those undeclared frauds say they were voting for Obama?

But then a funny thing happened. The undeclared frauds were afraid that Romney would win, so they had to back into voting for McCain.

Obama was never the favorite of the registered Democrats in New Hampshire. Ever.

His supporters that wanted the undeclared frauds to pick the democratic nominee really seem to be a blight on choosing the democratic nominee today.

Someone should teach Obama and his supporters that Undeclared voters in New Hampshire are not part of the Democratic party in New Hampshire.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

24. honestly

i can barely follow this primary process. It's like doing your own taxes.

but if undeclared or Republican voters are picking delegates to vote for the Democratic candidate, I picked the right adjective.

I mean, if I vote in an open Republican caucus, I would be picking a "Republican" delegate, even though I'm a "Democrat", right? This argument might be semantical, in which case, disregard everything I just said.



However, if someone is undeclared and they vote Democrat, why the fuck are you acting like that's a bad thing? We want that. Or is it just because they're not voting for the right Democrat?

[Maribelle]

27. Picking the party's candidate should be up to the party's members.

What is so difficult about this concept for you to grasp? Try some green tea.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

31. good point

you're right to criticize Obama supporters because some states have open primaries. Clearly we are to blame for this.

[Maribelle]

36. Oh brother

I hadn't realized this would be as difficult as rocket science for an Obama supporter. Please forgive my pomposity.

[Bitwit1234]

17. Well the Iran situation is heating up and remember Obama wants to bomb Iran

OR since most of the public doesn't want to do that now, is he going to CHANGE his mind on that also. He seems to CHANGE his mind on anything and everything, the minute it becomes unpopular.

[krabigirl]

19. Nope, don't think so.

I don't support her, though.

The thing is, why the irrational hate from the right for Hillary? She is pretty conservative for a Democrat. I don't get it.

[progressivebydesign]

42. They're afraid of her, that's why. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

20. There is no point to a Hillary Clinton presidency

she'll be bogged down in hatred from Day 1, she'll have no working majorities as she is down-ticket poison and she'll be driven out on a rail after one term.

The upside is, if it comes to that, we'll finally be done with the Clintons once and for all.

[xultar]

25. Well I for one hope that Chelsea starts running.

:evilgrin:

[xultar]

23. In a tongue in cheek fashion you are painting one candidate as a saint and the other as the

harbinger of EVIL who will divide us. If that's all it takes for people to take all their marbles and throw them @ the others on their team then WOW. Maybe this shit ain't for y'all. The real enemy now is RETHUGS. We beat them with whomever...the DEMS will be fucking fine. DU on the other hand...will request we recall the Dem president at any and every turn.

That shit don't play. Unless you were comparing a DEM against the Rethug(EVIL-just in case you needed to know who the true evil was.)

[Scriptor Ignotus]

26. which words did I use to describe any candidate as a saint in that OP?

and I compared the GOP to Al Qaeda. What more do you want from me??

[xultar]

32. By saying Hillary is = to Iraq you are saying by comparison all others are saints aka not Iraq

you're saying that nominating her will lead us down a path that could cause us to lose. Well I say nominating Obama and Edwards would do the same.

We should have gone with Biden.

[xultar]

39. Exploding head #24

[progressivebydesign]

43. yay! My first exploding head sighting of the day!

Now I can change out of my jammies and get to work. thanks.. :D

[progressivebydesign]

41. Yes, and we MUST vote for Obama to save the WORLD!!!!

What flavor IS that koolaid you guys are drinking at his rallies??? It's getting scary.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

44. vote Obama

save the world. yes, that is precisely what I think. nailed again.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. IPSE DIXIT

~

[Scriptor Ignotus]

48. isn't all punditry? - eom

[CyberPieHole]

49. Barack Hussein Obama will be our Michael Stanley Dukakis of the 21st Century...

Of course, I am being slightly tongue~in~cheek here as well.