Was NH vote rigged? Repeat of Florida & Ohio?

[mrdemocrat78]

First, I have no proof of this, and I am not saying I know it was rigged...

Both crooksandliars.com and amricablog.com have raised the possibilty that NH might have been rigged just like Bush did in Florida & Ohio.

There were numerous similarities, especially the fact that diebold was in charge of counting the vote, and the polls were so far off from the results.

You can only do this in a close vote. If 75% of people wanted change, they wouldn't be voting for the establishment candidate; they would be voting for the anti-establishment candiate... right?

Like I said... I am NOT saying this is what did happen, I am only trying to see what you all think.

[rateyes]

1. ...

:popcorn:

[Kolesar]

2. Waste of a thread...moving on

[Imagevision]

9. Waste of a thread? -> why! what research has gone onto it? everyone just got it wrong? that's

what they said about Bush exit polls in 2004; "they just got it wrong"...

[dbackjon]

3. I think you are reading too much into it

Obama got the exact percentage he was polling. Undecided broke for Hillary.

[wake.up.america]

4. I am saying that it would make sense , if the GOPers rigged this.

Hillary would be the easiest to beat, IMHO.

[Cameron27]

5. No,

take some time to read Skinner's excellent analysis.

[HughMoran]

6. Exit polls agree exactly with the results

Case closed.

[Imagevision]

11. Exit polls agree exactly with the results case closed? (doesn't provide link)

[HughMoran]

19. See Skinners in GD post and it was posted last night by someone else here

It's a simple fact - there was no disagreement between the exit polls and the actual result - there is no discussion needed.

[Anouka]

28. Exit polls aren't as big a problem as pre-polls.

What happened?

I don't want to hear about exit polls.

I want to hear why exit polls were different from the polls that preceded the primary.

what happened?

[HughMoran]

31. The MSM treated Hillary like shit. When she showed signs of stress (choking up)...

people were sympathetic toward her. Many people (especially women) on NPR admitted to changing their vote to Hillary after the incident in the diner. I was angry at the way the MSM was ass-fucking Hillary - my perspective on her changed too. That is why she won. If people keep up with the trashing on the MSM and here, she will continue to garner sympathy from those interested in fair-play.

[suston96]

7. Isn't this your second thread on this?

Is your toilet plugged up?

One problem you have is that there is a huge paper trail in New Hampshire. ALL the ballots can be hand counted.

File a lawsuit for a recount. Er...why isn't the Obama campaign complaining.

[Didereaux]

8. Okay enough crappola- see Skinners thread here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2639218&mesg_id=2639218

[redqueen]

10. It's very interesting how your two... um... OPs immediately get recommended...

despite very little vocal support in the thread itself.

Verrry interesting.

[mrdemocrat78]

12. well, if you are so worried about have the admin look into it.

i have 1 account, and you can't rec your own threads. And I am sure that DU is able to track down IP adresses of their users. Stop being so petty. And besides, if I was going to do something like that, I would be smart enough to wait. :evilgrin:

You do know that people who disgree will comment more than those who agree; just like when you shop at a store.

if you get bad service you will many more people than if you get good service. It's a fact.

[mrdemocrat78]

13. And just to suit you Redqueen....

I made it a point to MAKE IT CLEAR that this was not an assertion.
O8)O8)O8)

[redqueen]

14. Hahahahahahahah...

Yes, I noticed that. :)

Referring to my previous post, I'm not all that concerned, really... just an observation.

[Maven]

15. "First, I have no proof of this"

Exactly. Goodbye.

[CyberPieHole]

16. No, it wasn't...Read Skinner's analysis here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2639218

[mrdemocrat78]

17. Like I said...

I am just commenting on what I read on Americablog & Crooksandliars

[CyberPieHole]

34. I read all sorts of things too...

but it doesn't mean they all hold any merit.

[mrdemocrat78]

35. I didn't say they did

I was just askig if anyone thought they did...

[ProudDad]

18. The whole "election" is rigged

The system works -- for the corporate capitalist masters...

They con the USAmerikan public into thinking that they're determining the future of the nation when they're actually just picking which deck chair on the Titanic goes where...

The system is rigged to reward the money...

At this point, work locally to survive the coming collapse -- (follow the link below) -- screw this sideshow...

[mrdemocrat78]

20. And see this is the problem

With what has happened in the last two presidential elections, and again in florida for the last midterms... How are we expected to NOT have doubts.

People can call this a "wasted thread" but the threat is very much real.

And I want people to know that I purposely did not suggest who would have rigged it if in fact it was... Any number of people could benefit from it... get me?

[no name no slogan]

21. No. But there's more conspiracy here than at a Lydon LaRouche coffee klatsch

[LostinVA]

22. How many of these are you posting today?

[mrdemocrat78]

23. As many as I feel like.

If you don't like it... Don't read it.

[End Of The Road]

24. Isn't today a school day?

Aren't you missing gym?

[mrdemocrat78]

26. It's recess

I'm going to the jungle gym next

[LanternWaste]

25. The possibility also exists...

"have raised the possibilty (sic) that NH might have been rigged"

The possibility also exists that the earth will blow up tomorrow.

I suppose there will always be supporters of candidates who will cry foul each and every time their candidate doesn't win.

For the time being and until I see valid evidence, I'll give the 'vote rigging' crowd all the credibility and consideration they are due...

[mrdemocrat78]

27. Yes, but how long do you wait to question?

We waited way too long to question '00 and look what happened. Do you still think that nothing happened in florida then? Or that nothing happened in ohio in '04?

It is never wrong to raise questions... How else are we going to know the truth.

That is why I said that I wasn't sure, and wasn't making assertions or assumptions... I just wanted to know what everyone thought.

Starting a discussion and looking for thought is never a waste of time.

[LanternWaste]

30. As a layman, I wait until I see compelling evidence.

As a layman, I wait until I see compelling evidence. Maybe the experts of voter suppression and vote rigging have a different time standard unknown to me...

"Starting a discussion and looking for thought is never a waste of time." If it's a sincere question. If it's not, then yes-- it is a waste of time.

And with all the other threads getting bandied about today on this precise topic, I cannot assume this is a sincere question. I might be wrong, I might be correct-- either way, there are some pretty in depth threads on this very topic in GD and GP/P.

[mrdemocrat78]

32. what's GD and GD/P

but yes... i was sincerely just asking what people think.

It's only 1 primary, but i do think that this time we need to be more vigilent than past elections.

[ProudDad]

29. It doesn't really matter whether the details of the selection

are rigged or not.

The whole process is rigged against working people, against the poor, against anything that doesn't increase the profits for the corporate capitalist masters.

You CAN do something real about it though.

Don't buy their SHIT!!!

Don't spend money in their stores and car dealerships...

Buy Used...

Buy Local...

Or, don't buy at all unless you absolutely have to...

Starve the beast and we may have a slim chance of surviving the suicide of corporate capitalism.

Continue to support the beast and there will be no mammalian life on Mother Earth within a couple hundred years.

It's your choice and that of your neighbors...

[mrdemocrat78]

33. that's why i donated my car to charity...

i don't drive, don't buy gas; just use public transit.

everyone can do something.

[PATRICK]

36. Too late. Again.

The campaigns are most likely too busy at this late date to think or do anything about it. The so-called polls are still scrambled eggs. The remarkable AP contest report is that it was a "startling upset" and tried to frame McCain's pretty normal victory as the same. Why not boost Romney and keep the Dem three in a dead heat? Tweaking is possible but I might take a stretch guess and say the issue doesn't matter ...yet. Of course we are doing nothing about the coming states and the miserable soothsaying polls that are shown to exercise lousy judgment in the short term.

It takes TIME for things to sink in from a series of events. You can't even measure what happens in the last days, which is when the GOP chooses to do its legendary legerdemain. They are revealed to making leaps to scoop each other on intuitional prognostication by and large and look bad, by and large, from whatever tools they had thrown together to give them a base.

It is too early to make the immediate assumptions here as well, but that won't stop us either. I was beginning to be struck how opportune it would be for Clinton even to pick up a strong second. Her "collapse" really never got grounded in NH which almost treated the rumor as an oddity and saw only a strong woman fighting the GOP media crap, yet again. The way that was pointed out, the people trying to mystically pound them into the dust quibbled with and rejoiced in every awkwardness. Awkwardness had not hurt Obama before Iowa either. Not with the actual voters.

For all the hype, the gloating, the wishful thinking and the fear, we are battered and bruised and standing at home plate all over again in the familiar order, Hillary advantaged, Obama tested, Edwards closing(cut me some slack here, I AM an Edwards' supporter). This is what we all want remember, to have a longer process and some voice in the choice?

The one political significance that can be compared is that the Clintons have successfully reprised the "comeback" theme, the one thing repeating that is thrilling even to non-supporters. And if I couldn't help feeling good about her win I can imagine the effect on the rest of the electorate. Eventually, but now we have a three way again. At the same time, I can imagine also that the party regulars loyally swelling her super delegate ranks are having more anxieties rather than less as they look at the whole picture. Shaken but not stirred.

I believe in the Edwards' momentum, but without sounding paranoid, I think the media effect is creating ceiling on that which will be hard to break through by word of mouth and stump campaigning or the smalled less monied voices of TV ads, etc. Media controls a chunk of the math and it is exercised with deliberate unfairness(distributed to all Dems on behalf of GOP strategy).

Meanwhile, the most studied and natural base for Edwards, the various manifestations of the "left", continues to dwell on his haircut and scorn his commitment, apologies whatever while ignoring the death of easy inevitability by the vague road candidates. Right now, just as with Hillary in Iowa, it appears the fears of november have materialized very demonstrably now, to most evidently haunt us THEN.
No one is wishing anyone into the WH- so far, except the unitary power and will of Der Bushenfuhrer. The general atmosphere of relief of Iowa, being off the hook despite losing the democratic participation of 50 states, is over. Hillary has earned something finally, thanks to the premature and some of the immature. So much so that I have to feel, good for her.

Back on the hook. Writhe people, writhe.

[CyberPieHole]

37. Flamebait...