Observation..didn't see one post about potential voting fraud in NH...until after Hillary had won...

[SaveElmer]

Not a word about Diebold, paperless ballots....no worry about them at all...

Hmmm...wonder why that is?

[redqueen]

1. Because she's perceived as the "establishment" candidate...

and it was an unexpected win.

I think it's both those things.

[ccpup]

2. you're right

it was all about the huge -- make that HUGE -- turnout, about having to get extra ballots from neighboring Counties because they were running out and it was Go-bama, Go-bama, Go-bama!

Whoops! He lost? No. He lost ... really? He lost!

Hey! She must have cheated! Yeah, that's it. She cheated!

:sarcasm:

[William769]

3. I think you answered your own question.

[rudy23]

4. I saw some. I wouldn't say there was no worry at all. Plus the dramatic swing.

You're using the "you're only complaining because you lost" meme that the Bushes popularized in 2000, then perfected in '02, '04, and '06.

[KennedyGuy]

5. The thing is..

If this had gone the other way..and hillary had been ahead in the polls, and Obama had won..even by the absurd 20 percent that some around here yesterday were expecting..
you would hear nothing..zip...nada./
and if a Hillary supporter mentioned it..the pandemonium that would take place would be breathtaking.

[rinsd]

6. Isaw a couple by election reform people but mostly that was limited to the Election Refrom forum.

[papau]

8. GOP plant Bev Harris killed election audits in 08(HR811) and is again doingGOP work to dump on Hill

[robbedvoter]

9. she also took Florida off the list of fraud states in 2004 - wasn't just Ohio

I heard someone calling Thom Hartman mentioning Blackbox voting

[donheld]

7. I was one of those who was concerned with fraud

The polls and the results seemed suspicious. I've since backed off after seeing the exit polls match the results. We must guard against fraud no matter who is doing it.

[robbedvoter]

10. We must. We alse need to know Republicans own those machines.

[HeraldSquare212]

11. Only because the polls had her down a lot

I don't think it was fraud, but after the last two Pres elections everyone's on tetherhooks every time there's a vote.

[Laurab]

12. Well, I for one didn't realize they used Diebold.

I haven't posted anything about fraud, but I can see why some people would wonder. And I'm sure some Clinton folks would be wondering, too, if she had a huge lead in the polls, and Obama won.

Skinner posted something that set my mind at ease, but prior to that, I couldn't imagine how the polls could have been so wrong, how Edwards and Richardson didn't change AT ALL throughout the entire night, or how Hillary did so much better than even she expected. Reading Skinner's post cleared much of that up for me, but I still don't trust those machines.

You couldn't question Iowa, because they counted people. I don't mind all that much that Hillary won last night - I'm concerned about electronic voting throughout the entire process, up to and on Election Day. I think everyone should be.

[unc70]

18. Many of us strongly disagree with Skinner on this

With the greatest respect, I disagree with Skinner's conclusion. The problem is that he relies on the exit polls to validate the voting. Unfortunately, the exit poll was apparently being re-weighted to compensate for differences between the sample versus the underlying population. For example, if the percent of women in the sample was less than the percent of women who voted, then you might multiply the repsonses of the sample women proportional to the undersampling.

Unfortunately, the exit poll results appear to have been also weighted based upon how they voted. While such adjustment allows better analysis of things like important issues, etc., they are not valid for use wrt election validation.

Last I heard, we don't have access to the raw polling data.

[Laurab]

20. Yes, I read that, too.

I guess the truth is, it really doesn't make me feel much better, but I don't want to be called a "sore loser", or "conspiracy theorist". I'm not a sore loser, I don't mind that Hillary won, it's just that it doesn't smell right to me. I don't think she would have had anything to do with it, either, I just know who would be easier for the repugs to beat. It makes me .....uneasy.

[SIMPLYB1980]

13. Hmmmmmm........

[ronnykmarshall]

14. Isn't that odd?

And last week .... why it was as if angels came down and handled each ballot.

[KittyWampus]

16. what ballots last week are you talking about?

[ronnykmarshall]

17. Parody

[Imagevision]

15. Not going the fraud route but why is the NH. election non-verifiable...?

[Perry Logan]

19. I've come to believe this whole matter should be thoroughly investigated.

I, too, was unhappy to hear the votes were being counted on Diebold, never mind the winner.

Others have noted that at least the exit polls were in line. If there were discrepancies in the exit polls, we would have a real smoking gun.

Nevertheless, I would like to see NH thoroughly investigated, if at all possible. We all know Diebold is trouble, and an investigation might raise consciousness about voting fraud and reveal some more dirt on the scoundrels. And if there was fraud in the primaries, I sure as hell want to know about it. We Democrats can work out our differences without the help of funny-assed machines, thank you very much.

[goodgd_yall]

21. Yeah, fancy that. Obviously because

Obama was supposed to win and Obama's supporters didn't want anyone to think the vote was fraudulent