I'm an HRC supporter, but this is ridiculous

[annie1]

Letting Bob Johnson suggest that Obama is running a likabilty campaign is just stupid. That was him INTRODUCING hrc?

First of all, it's false, Obama is doing no such thing. Heck, even looking PAST the statement of "we know what he was doing in the neighborhood" his statement was f'd up.

Johnson: "That kind of campaign behavior does not resonate with me, for a guy who says, ‘I want to be a reasonable, likable, Sidney Poitier ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner.’ And I’m thinking, I’m thinking to myself, this ain’t a movie, Sidney. This is real life.”

Why, in the world, is HRC letting Bob Johnson make statements like this. Why is he involved at ALL? He's reduced his BET channel to a pimps and ho's video channel and supports GWB. Why would she let him speak for her? Is this the best she could do?

Crap judgment in my opinion. Not only crap judgment to let this guy near her campaign, but knowing that she is already embroiled in back and forth comments about race and personal destruction that she is currently working to get out from underneath, she should be doubling her efforts to make sure people don't say dumb shit on her behalf. And now this.

Imo Cuomo's shuck and jive comments are cancelled out by Jesse Jackson Jr's "crying over her hair" comments. MLK comment, came out a little ackward, but she was right to say something about Obama's initial MLK comment regarding her and himself.

But to let Bob Johnson on a platform with a microphone, to not ask him what he was going to say, to not at this point make it clear to her supporters that they'd better watch their mouths, and to not drop this dude like a hot potato is offensive to me, and probably many many others - with good reason.

She should do what Obama should do for McClurkin, which is freakin' apologize.

[thunder rising]

1. When you say you support a candidate and then flame the candidate it makes you a concern troll

[Joe the Revelator]

2. People can't judge the candidates they support?

What is this, loyalty oath land?

[aquart]

8. That's truly funny from you.

[Joe the Revelator]

14. How is that funny? Also, why don't you tell us again how people only want to vote for Obama...

is because he's black. You have zero credibility in any topic.

[annie1]

3. What? because i support someone i must like everything they do? No, i'm not that person.

If someone does something i don't like, i'll say so. i don't buy everything she's selling, and i don't hate everything about every other candidate.

[Windy]

16. Good for you Annie! I don't really like that O has voted for funding the war

I get his point on the issue because the troops are already there and he doesn't want to leave them without what they need... he's tied it to timetables, etc, but its not strong enough in my opinion. I still feel that he is the best in the field however.

I applaud your candor.

[liberalnurse]

56. You support Hillary ya say....

Well, I know how to use the search function at DU and well....my suspicions are most accurate, that you fake it....rather badly at that.

[annie1]

58. it's too bad you think she has no flaws. she's got plenty...

and i'm not afraid to see or say it.

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[rodeodance]

36. oh for crying out loud! Being critcal of a candidate, even your own DOES NOT make one a troll.

[Jane Austin]

45. In her defense, she's been one of

Hillary's very outspoken supporters.

[annie1]

46. Thanks. : )

[Jane Austin]

61. You're welcome!

I can take the strong feelings on DU these days, but I really hate the inaccuracies.

[liberalnurse]

4. You are not being an honest Democrat now are you.

I think this OP Post just well....a picture tells it much better.

[annie1]

6. Why, i have to like everything she allows people to say? don't think so. just like...

i think it's pathetic that obama supporters give him a pass for mcclurkin.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. This is how Hillary supporters deal with those who break ranks?

:rofl:

[aquart]

11. I know. Obama supporters never break ranks.

A person might wonder about that.

[Windy]

19. Obama supporters can state their own opinions about a candidate and the issues without backlash

the HRC campaign is so cultish. If you don't agree with her or her campaign tactics 100% you are banished and flamed!

Doesn't give those on the outside looking in a good feeling as this thread has illustrated.

[annie1]

21. I think aquarts point is that they don't. Everythign he does is fine and dandy...

including McClurkin.

[ellacott]

32. That is so very untrue

There have been many Obama supporters who have disagreed with how he handled the McClurkin thing. I wish you all would stop generalizing.

And I was going to commend you on this post. They both need to apologize.

[rodeodance]

37. well, I think they they have changed their tune this past week especially

[ellacott]

49. Again, very untrue

When the incident happened many Obama supporters disagreed with him.

[kenfrequed]

68. Well one would wonder

But for the fact that many of his supporters have already managed to succesfully change their minds once.

The Hillary supporters I run into usually seem to base their support more on impressions than on issues. This kind of support is a double edged sword, it has that strong feeling sort of energy to it, but it can move quickly or shift in the face of harsh facts.

Some of young Obama supporters have a similar kind of vibe, very impression and energy based, but not very issue oriented.

I would say that Kucinich and Edwards supporters have more of the head-game with regard to the issues and tend to have rather exact and specific grievances and intentions policy wise. The problem here is that they sometimes have trouble inspiring as much, though this might be more a matter of exposure than anything.

[Cha]

13. You are being rude, though..

just because a poster brought up something that a hillary endorser is doing.. that she doesn't like.

[dkf]

How often do you read Annie1's posts?

Hillary is very lucky to have her.

[aquart]

5. Obama didn't apologize for McClurkin. Or for Jesse Jackson Jr.

But Hillary did apologize for (and dump) Shaheen and the idiot staffer who sent the Muslim email.

Seems to me apologies should wait till they even up.

[annie1]

12. i know. Obama should apologize. and i love that she told shaheen...

to take a hike. good for her. i HATE that obama didn't apologize, and i hate that he gave the guy a mic. and i'm not happy about johnson.

granted, she may not have known that he was going to say that, but she needs to clamp down on people KNOWING FULL WELL that people say dumb s--t like others in both campaigns have said in the past.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. The Guy Is A Frickin Billionaire

I doubt Hillary Clinton can tell him what to do...

[annie1]

15. well, it was her event, no? i will look into who it was that invited him...

if it was not her, than fair enough, she was at the mercy. but c'mon. How did you feel about that statement?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. His Statement Was Moronic

Billionaires talk a lot of shit...

[bunnies]

10. Her saying "no woman is illegal" is a might bit ridiculous also.

Wait for the Rs to eat her up over this one.

[annie1]

28. meh. Kucinich said the same thing, only he said person.

[bunnies]

34. Big difference between DK and HRC though.

HRC is a front-runner open to R's attacks. DK has nothing to lose.

[rodeodance]

38. She was brave in saying it (a few seconds later she added 'man')

[zulchzulu]

17. Spot on, Annie

South Carolina is historically and unfortunately about "race". This is usually when the campaign season rears its worst head.

We'll see how this plays out. If Hillaryworld decides to do what Carville openly said is the policy of running a negative campaign in the movie "Our Brand Is Crisis" by using surrogates to do the dirty work of the campaign, it will hopefully backfire.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

[Uben]

18. Judging by your posts

You are not a Clinton supporter.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. Are you joking? I'll come to her defense here, only because I've called her out many times for....

bowing at Hillary's alter.

[annie1]

24. I don't bow at her alter, clearly. I support what i support, and i am not blind...

to the things she does that i don't think are ok. I think it's the exact opposite of bowing at hillary's alter.

[emilyg]

40. At ease bower.

Hi pal.

[goldcanyonaz]

22. Psychotic was mentioned in regards to Clinton, yesterday. And the Op agreed.

Now, that's support for ya!

[annie1]

26. no, i was the one who said it in the first place. and i said it for...

both hillary AND bill.

[LostinVA]

30. Bingo

I've been waiting for something like this for the last few days -- I even told Haruka this Friday night. I was off by about a day...

[annie1]

33. yes, you got me. All the posts i make defending her are just for show.

[LostinVA]

29. My thoughts, too

[annie1]

31. Well if your definition of supporter means i overlook anything bad...

than you're right. Personally i find it hard to take people seriously who think their candidate can do no wrong.

[City Lights]

23. Your honesty is refreshing, annie1.

:toast:

[jackson_dem]

25. Obama brings to politics what Sanjaya brings to music. Johnson is right

[annie1]

27. .

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[Anouka]

35. Read BabylonSister's thread on BlackCommentator exposing Johnson

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4055810

i still don't know what to say.

Johnson's motives are suspect.
Hillary's motives for using Johnson are suspect.

I don't know what to say.

[Maribelle]

48. I do believe Hillary bashers should learn the meaning of brainstorming sessions.

Throwing questions on the table for discussion does not hardly mean that the question will be agreed upon verbatim, and the question mark simply pulled off of the end. Quite the opposite is most often the reality.

Johnson's motives are quite clear.

Hillary's motives are quite clear.

Before you say anything else, I recommend you first learn what brainstorming sessions are all about. Please.

[ellisonz]

41. "Is this the best she could do?"

Yes.

[jefferson_dem]

42. Thanks, annie. Your sincerity is refreshing!

:thumbsup:

[annie1]

44. I've been sincere since day 1. and that includes everything i say...

about Barack and his shortcomings too. so i hope you aren't just giving me the thumbs up because i said something negative about hrc. ;)

[jefferson_dem]

62. Annie...

I respect your offerings here.

Recall, our pep talk after the Iowa results were reported ... :hug:

[annie1]

64. :D

i don't remember exactly. but i do remember that a few people came to my support. i was so upset re some things people were saying about hil, :D. Thanks for being there for me. that was tough for me.

[rox63]

43. Thank you for admitting that your candidate is not perfect

I'm supporting Obama, and I know he's not perfect. There's no such thing as a perfect candidate. They are human, and thus fallible.

[fadedrose]

47. Oh Annie

Just after I've decided not to post about HRC or to any of her supporters, you go and post something that at least makes some sense.

[Barack_America]

50. It's great to see some clear thinking and analysis around here.

Thank you.

[Maribelle]

51. Did Obama say he was a community organizer in his book?

Clearly, this would settle it if he did say it or if he didn't say it.

Obama supporters here on DU have not answered this pertinent question.

[MadBadger]

53. That wouldnt settle it. He was clearly dissing Obama

Saying kind of, "What was Obama doing while the Clintons were helping Black people?"

[Maribelle]

55. What he really said ...

“And to me, as an African-American," Johnson continued, in remarks noted by ABC News' Eloise Harper, "I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood that–- I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in his book."

Johnson went on: “That kind of campaign behavior does not resonate with me, for a guy who says, ‘I want to be a reasonable, likable, Sidney Poitier ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner.’ And I’m thinking, I’m thinking to myself, 'This ain’t a movie, Sidney. This is real life.'"

[Imagevision]

52. Hillary supporters remind me of Bush followers... [really close!)

[annie1]

54. and Gravel calls Obama supporters "youth who haven't thought things through".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4040068

[Jane Austin]

57. Oh, how wonderful!

I haven't even been carded since I was thirty-nine, and that was a long, long time ago.

I also haven't been told to get off anybody's lawn in forever. :)

[Didereaux]

60. possibly he referred to brain maturity age vs chonological age

[dailykoff]

59. It's very, very disturbing on many levels.

Thank you for noticing.

[Essene]

63. Thank you annie, for speaking out. The clintons are out of control

the race baiting (she started it) and the exceptionally nasty smear campaign is so depressing.

[annie1]

65. well, see, i disagree there...

just like a said in my OP, i don't see other things that people here point to being racist, as such. but i do think a couple things are not acceptable. this is one.

[loveangelc]

66. thank you

her campaign can't seem to step out of it.