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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:17 PM
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If Hillary's aggressive voter tactics win against the republicans aggressive voter tactics
will you still be crying in your spilt milk?

Remember Kennedy basically stole Illinois in 1960 when Daley delievered Cook county for him. This was rationalized because of the Jim Crow laws in the South. He did what he had to do to win.

I'm not making any judgments about what Hillary did in NH as most of it appears to be hysteria from anti-Hillary forces looking for anything to criticize her on. She was aggressive and I like that. I like my candidates playing hardball. No pussyfooting around like Gore and Kerry. Hillary will go balls to the wall against the republicans.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:18 PM
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1. "Nobody ever reaches the presidency in a state of grace."
---Jimmy Breslin
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:19 PM
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2. including voter caging, which I imagine Clinton will do? I reject such depravity. Sorry
but you're welcome to your rationalizations.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:20 PM
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3. "balls to the wall"
uh oh. :hide:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:21 PM
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4. You know, I'm recommending this thread. It helps show some DU'ers who log on as Hillary supporters
in their true colors.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:11 PM
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27. This poster
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 10:12 PM by sandnsea
has been around DU as long as I can remember.

On Edit:

But yeah, let's see how Democrats feel about this attitude when it's on the front page of DU and Rush runs with it tomorrow. I am so sick of this shit.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:11 PM
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28. glad to know that at least one of the recs..
was for that purpose and not out of support for this supposition.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:22 PM
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5. Sorry, I won't a Voter Supression Candidate. n/t
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:22 PM
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6. i'd say this is shameful
but there's no need.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:22 PM
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7. No wonder people hate politics.
This is what is wrong with the system. Bad actors need to be exposed along with their bad behavior.

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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:23 PM
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8. Those tactics used as a candidate will be used as president
Do you want her to use those tactics against anybody that dissents in this country? Is she going to scrap all those concentration camps being built by Halliburton or will she have a use for them herself? That's what scares me, is that she'll take all those extra-constitutional powers taken by bush and use them to stifle dissent here in America. I don't want to swap one wannabe dictator for another, I don't care what party they belong to.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:27 PM
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11. Exactly!!!
How you run a campaign shows how you would run a country!

If you are willing to stoop to disgusting tactics to win, you will do so for other things.

Please please do not stick us with these awful people.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:29 PM
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15. Well said. n/t
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:24 PM
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9. We've spent way too much time fighting against voter supression to embrace it now
If Hillary wants to use GOP tactics, she should join the GOP.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:24 PM
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10. if you fight like a Repuke, you become a Repuke
The Democratic Party used to stand for the Voting Rights of all American citizens,
when did this change?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:28 PM
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13. I haven't heard about any Republican shenanigans yet.
Could it be that our candidate will be worse than the Repubs?

How awful would that be?
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:27 PM
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12. We have been denouncing this crap for years, now it's ok?
If it was deceptive it was wrong.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:28 PM
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14. You're going to regret saying that in the morning.
Please tell me you're not comparing Hillary to JFK and you're not comparing JFK's motives to Hillary's.

It was wrong of the Kennedy family to steal the election. Always has been, always will be, even though there were some good results from it.

The ends do not justify the means.

Secondly, exactly what issue is comparable to what was happening in the country at the time Kennedy was elected to make stealing an election honorable?

What issue? not even gay rights. But make the argument for (well) anything.

Unbelieveable OP.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:31 PM
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16. Well now, that's certainly a compelling argument for Hillary.
All that crap about elections and the Constitution and how we have opposed voter fraud here at DU dismissed by a Hillary supporter.

Why am I not surprised?

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:34 PM
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35. Is that a picture of you faygokid?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:37 PM
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17. Count me out of your desire to steal elections, ESPECIALLY for triangulating Hillary. nt
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:40 PM
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18. This is the lowest piece of trash I've ever seen here.
I'll let you decided whether I'm talking about your or your opinion, but from now on I'm not going to be bothered by either.

By the way, you've just cost Clinton a vote in the general if she steals the primary. We've had enough bushes for one century.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:43 PM
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20. waaaaaaaa
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:42 PM
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19. I agree. I want her to fight hard. Gore and Kerry made me sick
with their wussines
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:29 PM
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21. It's not about fighting - it's about dirty politics, and that's exactly what she is.
A dirty politician - if this is the level she's willing to stoop to.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:51 PM
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24. Yes it's not dainty. BooHoo
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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:40 PM
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22. Original Message
Agree with the opening post.Come the general election it is going to take one hell of a tough cookie to stand up to the Republican attack machine. And they don't come any tougher than Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:41 PM
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23. Screw that shit and you're lying about Kennedy.
You disgust me.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:53 PM
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25. BooHoo wawawa
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:14 PM
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31. Long time debate about Illinois politics
What they never bring up is downstate Illinois which is the real reason Nixon didn't contest.

This is also the sort of thing that leads Michelle to say "Not tough enough? You're kidding, right?" They came up in rough and tumble Chicago politics.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:09 PM
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26. What a despicable argument.
Enfranchisement is and has always been our mantle. I could never support a candidate who felt otherwise.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:12 PM
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29. So you're defending her if she cheats?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:14 PM
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30. The country will lose on both counts!
Your Hillary will not give up the powers that Bush usurped for himself, and she will use the police state apparatus and the gulag that Bush created to repress the peace movement and all progressives that dare to challenge her corporate agenda.

The country will go from the mad Emperor Nero into the clutches of the Borgias.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:15 PM
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32. Maybe you're in the wrong party
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:15 PM
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33. Here's to balls to the wall!
:toast: :beer:
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:18 PM
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34. I don't want the democratics to stand for "aggressive voter tactics"
We're supposed to be better than that.

"Yay! We're as dirty as they are!" yep, that's a real way to get everyone enthusiastic.
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